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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23756454 - 10/20/16 10:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There's multiple videos both before and during the war where Trump voiced his opposition to it. Then there's the one time he went on Stern and reluctantly said "ummm yeah, I guess so".

That's what the media and Hillary are using to "prove" he was for the war. Despite all the other videos that show him to be staunchly opposed. But it's whatever. :ohwell:


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes] * 2
    #23756536 - 10/20/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hillary was holding public office and was FOR the iraq war.  See the difference?




  To be fair Hillary and everyone else who voted for  the Iraq war voted  for a war that the republican leadership at the time promised us would be only a few weeks to a couple months long . 

" five days to five months but it certainly won't last any longer " Rumsfeld

"“My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. . . . I think it will go relatively quickly, . . . [in] weeks rather than months" Cheney

  Hell i would have voted for the war too if I thought it was only going to last a few weeks or months . I really doubt Hillary or anyone else would have voted for if the republicans had been honest about how long it would last .
  What's really important to remember about the Iraq war is that the Republican Party can't manage a war efficiently and didnt have the spine to raise taxes on their rich butt buddies to pay for it either .
  If they had it probably would have been over in a few months like it was supposed to be .


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: psilynut] * 2
    #23756675 - 10/21/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

They were prolly all in on it. Republicrat Administration was just a formality.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23757269 - 10/21/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bernie didnt vote to invade iraq


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Crumist]
    #23757406 - 10/21/16 09:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I agree there were a lot of missed opportunities, but I think it would have been a mistake to waste time responding to his "sneak attack" complaint. It is clear that he's way out of his field and talking out his ass here to most people, and to the lions share of the rest, lecturing Donald and the audience would have came off wrong,
I'm really surprised she didn't respond to his "I have 200 generals/admirals and 26 medal of honor endorsements." When it comes to endorsements in every field but especially national security, she cleans house. A simple "oh yeah, ive got more generals" would have sufficed.
And pointing out that she was only 1 of 100 senators, then Sec of State (ie. chief diplomat) and can't change the tax code, or ISIS, Iraq, or 9/11 with a magic wand would have been beneficial I think




you're right and i didn't mean to imply she should have presented a mini doctoral thesis as she is sometimes wont to do.  a 'you are wrong and lack the experience to handle a situation like isis' statement would've sufficed while widening the gap between them.  it would've also baited him into expanding about her 'isis failures' so that she could rebut with a few quick facts about how they're being routed in iraq--and how 'only four of our brave service members have died there in over two years instead of a thousand per year under republican doctrine' (ETA: 1000/yr is an exaggeration), thus tugging at the electorate's heart strings--while keeping him on her narrative instead of allowing him to steer the argument.  trump does best when he's in command.  when he takes bait he generally flounders.   

i agree with your other points.  maybe i'm misremembering but she did get the point/dig in there that she has many national security/military figures in her corner, didn't she?  and yes, she should have addressed the blaming of individuals for the overall condition of the middle east or the economy or any number of topics...and trump repeatedly going down that road circles back to my over simplification peeve.

it was interesting to watch the day after vids from the R and L leaning media and how they portrayed the snapshots of the debate; they're perfect examples of how the media attempts to shape public opinion.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: relic]
    #23757861 - 10/21/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Call me crazy, but I actually think Hillary had made a number of positive contributions and my mind is having difficulty conceptualizing how anyone can blame ISIS or RADICAL ISLAMIC TERROR (which actually has vanishingly small impact on my life and upon yours) on Clinton.
Trump blames Clinton for all of the imaginary ails of the country and all the while he was devoted to nothing but aggrandizing and enriching himself



Its blamed on Hillary because she was the Secretary of State while they came into existence and proliferated. It was her job to manage foreign affairs and work with other countries to combat the radical terrorism that ISIS and Al Qaeda represent. It should be alarming that ISIS is exclusively running wild through Muslim countries that Hillary and the establishment diplomatically beef with. ISIS appears to be working for the west.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23757881 - 10/21/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

OMG THEY HAD A ROAST AT THE SMITH DINNER!!

Trump Kills her: (Skip to 3:30 when he starts going in on Hillary)


Hillary responds:


Holy hell Trump was on point.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23758069 - 10/21/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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he's "pro-growth", and he wants to super-charge our energy levels to over 9000 or some shit like that. Haven't you heard?




ITS OVER 9,000!!! :toast::laugh2::lmafo:

I'm pretty sure that's his plan. I think he wants to contract Pfizer to synthesize hand enlargement pills.


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    #23758075 - 10/21/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bernie didnt vote to invade iraq




Bernie was the only one of these shmucks that was worth a fuck.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23759827 - 10/22/16 01:59 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Bernie's a fucking shill dude. He got cheated, and did NOTHING. If he was really trying to lead the country in the right direction, he would make a big deal about the fact that HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE NOMINATION BUT IT WAS RIGGED FOR HILLARY!

'Well, I know that virtually the entire democratic party wanted me as the President of the United States. I know that in an honest DNC, I would have gotten the nomination due to OVERWHELMING support. I know that Hillary Clinton cheated me, and cheated the American people, by conspiring with Debby wasser-shultz-man to steal the nomination. I know all of this, but I don't say shit about any of it. Instead I uphold my promise that I so conveniently made to endorse Hillary if she wins, no matter what. Even if she cheated to win. Even if I was the rightful winner.'

He was a fucking shill, I know it hurts, but its true. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have just rolled over.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 2
    #23759923 - 10/22/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He kept his promise when he joined the Party to not run Independent if he lost. He's an honorable guy.

    But all this bullshit about rigged elections, rigged elections, lets all the losers bitch and whine and pretend like you were screwed and you really won. If it was like Bush V Gore and the loser got more votes, the President's brother was the governor of the contested state, and the State? Supreme Court said we can't have a recount, then that was something to argue. This is nothing like that. Trump is going to lose by all possible accounts.

    Are party's rigged. Yes they are and they always have been. If you didn't already know this then you're 14 years old and/or haven't sprouted a brainstem. Probably going on since the 1700's. There isn't real oversight.  But the evidence shows that cheating on the vote in National Presidential Election is minimal. Apparently nobody looks too close until there are 2 real powerful bodies looking at each other. And granted the GOP has dumped Trump by the wayside, but not until they knew he couldn't possibly win.

    If you think I'm naïve, I live in Chicago and I know a lot about voter fraud. And you guys nominated an unelectable, certifiable nit wit that,  a good number of backers and opposers think is Hitler.

    So you lose, Trump loses and Hitler loses.

    And I lose unless (I'm expecting no cure from insomnia) I find something  better to do with my time.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 2
    #23760108 - 10/22/16 06:43 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Bernie's a fucking shill dude. He got cheated, and did NOTHING. If he was really trying to lead the country in the right direction, he would make a big deal about the fact that HE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE NOMINATION BUT IT WAS RIGGED FOR HILLARY!

'Well, I know that virtually the entire democratic party wanted me as the President of the United States. I know that in an honest DNC, I would have gotten the nomination due to OVERWHELMING support. I know that Hillary Clinton cheated me, and cheated the American people, by conspiring with Debby wasser-shultz-man to steal the nomination. I know all of this, but I don't say shit about any of it. Instead I uphold my promise that I so conveniently made to endorse Hillary if she wins, no matter what. Even if she cheated to win. Even if I was the rightful winner.'

He was a fucking shill, I know it hurts, but its true. If he wasn't, he wouldn't have just rolled over.




1. Doing that wouldve guaranteed a Trump White House.

2. Vritually the entire Democratic party was behind HILLARY, not Bernie. Her Dem endorsements dwarfed his, and voters were practically split.

3. Everything Brian said


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23760796 - 10/22/16 12:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Voter fraud is not unique to Chicago. Dead people vote. Machines malfunction. Illegals vote. There is no independent auditing firm to assure accuracy of information. The citizens don't even elect the president on paper. You have the mere illusion of a choice between two people who wouldn't have even made it this far if this were a genuine democracy.

You guys are just listening to mainstream media. Period. You are believing everything that known liars are telling you. Good for you. I on the other hand have a fucking brain. You are honestly going to sit here and tell me Hillary had more support than Bernie? Read the fucking emails if you don't think she rigged it. Go back and search through these threads, or facebook posts, or remember when Bernie was in it and his crowds were 10x the size of Hillarys. The support for Bernie was palpable. You guys called yourself a "movement". Nobody thought Hillary would win except for me. Go back to your old Bernie threads where I first jumped on these forums and I said that Hillary was the predetermined winner and you were all about to be very disappointed. I was right. The voters weren't split, the delegates were bought, and you guys are out of your fucking minds!

And for the record I really resonate with a most of what Stein is saying, but Trump knows how to make deals and create wealth, so he is the most qualified to handle the economy. He also doesn't want to start a war with Russia, like Hillary. He knows how the economy works, Hillary doesn’t. Trump is a businessman who knows how to create wealth. Hillary is a lawyer and a politician, who knows how to lie and cash checks from special interests. Who would you rather have managing your finances and operations?

Hillary works for the establishment. If you don't believe so you truly are naïve. You mean to tell me there is a Bush for 8 years, then a Clinton for 8 years, then another Bush for 8 years, then 8 years later, another Clinton is going in, and she was almost running against Jeb Bush!?! The whole point of establishing the Republic was to get the bloodlines out of power!

What are the fucking chances that these people are legitimately rising through the ranks of politics to establish themselves as the BEST POSSIBLE candidates to lead this country, without any outside influence? George Bush Jr was a miserable fucking imbecile. He was in charge of the U.S. nuclear arsenal and couldn’t even pronounce “nuclear” correctly. These people are placed into power and they do what they are told. Obama is pushing the TPP, but they like to be as hush hush about it as possible. Nobody with a brain would think that’s good for the American consumer. International tribunals will be set up and multi-national companies will be allowed to circumvent U.S. courts when selling to U.S. consumers. They could sell you rat poison and tell you it’s candy and you couldn’t sue them in a U.S. court. Why would an American President transfer so much power over to an international tribunal, where U.S. citizens don't even have representation on paper? Hmmm, lets think? Maybe these elections are all rigged. Maybe these presidents don’t represent you. Maybe that’s why you see such horrible injustice and inequality.

Voting for Hillary is like Charlie Brown picking Lucy to hold the football for him because she has the most experience. A little common sense goes along way.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 3
    #23760945 - 10/22/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This is where I point out Paris Hilton has expanded her wealth at much higher clip than Trump has.


Lets elect her for her economic expertise, yes?


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    #23761047 - 10/22/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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amp244 said:And for the record I really resonate with a most of what Stein is saying, but Trump knows how to make deals and create wealth, so he is the most qualified to handle the economy. He also doesn't want to start a war with Russia, like Hillary. He knows how the economy works, Hillary doesn’t. Trump is a businessman who knows how to create wealth. Hillary is a lawyer and a politician, who knows how to lie and cash checks from special interests. Who would you rather have managing your finances and operations?




Trump makes his money pretending to be a businessman for the cameras. Nearly everything concrete Trump has ventured has turned out to be a failure with the notable exceptions of his golf courses. Trump has success when he is licensing out his name to real businessmen and being a celebrity/reality TV personality. Trump doesn't "make great deals." Do you really think he has the ability to sit still for a meeting serious business with actual adults?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23761115 - 10/22/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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This is where I point out Paris Hilton has expanded her wealth at much higher clip than Trump has.


Lets elect her for her economic expertise, yes?



You are an imbecile. Trump took 1million and turned it into 4billion. Hilton isn't even close. There are a lot of people with $1million. There are not very many people with $1billion, let alone 4.

I actually expanded my wealth much faster than both of them these passed two years. I declared bankruptcy at the beginning of 2015 after getting out of jail, dead broke. I'm about to put a down payment on my first home in 2017! That being said, give me $1million and I wont be able to turn it into $4billion. That takes someone very special.


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    #23761123 - 10/22/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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This is where I point out Paris Hilton has expanded her wealth at much higher clip than Trump has.


Lets elect her for her economic expertise, yes?



You are an imbecile. Trump took 1million and turned it into 4billion. Hilton isn't even close. There are a lot of people with $1million. There are not very many people with $1billion, let alone 4.

I actually expanded my wealth much faster than both of them these passed two years. I declared bankruptcy at the beginning of 2015 after getting out of jail, dead broke. I'm about to put a down payment on my first home in 2017! That being said, give me $1million and I wont be able to turn it into $4billion. That takes someone very special.





Neat personal attack.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/business-genius-numbers-paris-hilton-entrepreneur-donald-trump/


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    #23761130 - 10/22/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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amp244 said:And for the record I really resonate with a most of what Stein is saying, but Trump knows how to make deals and create wealth, so he is the most qualified to handle the economy. He also doesn't want to start a war with Russia, like Hillary. He knows how the economy works, Hillary doesn’t. Trump is a businessman who knows how to create wealth. Hillary is a lawyer and a politician, who knows how to lie and cash checks from special interests. Who would you rather have managing your finances and operations?




Trump makes his money pretending to be a businessman for the cameras. Nearly everything concrete Trump has ventured has turned out to be a failure with the notable exceptions of his golf courses. Trump has success when he is licensing out his name to real businessmen and being a celebrity/reality TV personality. Trump doesn't "make great deals." Do you really think he has the ability to sit still for a meeting serious business with actual adults?




How many people have $4billion? Are you honestly going to tell me he is not successful? How do you chose to measure success?

Yes he has taken losses in the past, what is your point? He turned 1 million into 4 billion. He is a net gainer by 3,999,000,000. Is that the mark of a failure? He has a business mind and he knows how to make deals, as is evidenced by the immense fortune he has amassed through his own prudence and judgement.


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    #23761136 - 10/22/16 02:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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amp244 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
This is where I point out Paris Hilton has expanded her wealth at much higher clip than Trump has.


Lets elect her for her economic expertise, yes?



You are an imbecile. Trump took 1million and turned it into 4billion. Hilton isn't even close. There are a lot of people with $1million. There are not very many people with $1billion, let alone 4.

I actually expanded my wealth much faster than both of them these passed two years. I declared bankruptcy at the beginning of 2015 after getting out of jail, dead broke. I'm about to put a down payment on my first home in 2017! That being said, give me $1million and I wont be able to turn it into $4billion. That takes someone very special.





Neat personal attack.


http://thefreethoughtproject.com/business-genius-numbers-paris-hilton-entrepreneur-donald-trump/



Lol, I'm not contending that your little factoid was false. I am contending that concluding that Paris has a more astute business acumen as a result of that factoid is a logical fallacy, as I pointed out with my example of how I have expanded my wealth faster than both of them. I still can't do what Trump has done, neither can Paris Hilton. Give me a break.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Crumist]
    #23761183 - 10/22/16 02:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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amp244 said:And for the record I really resonate with a most of what Stein is saying, but Trump knows how to make deals and create wealth, so he is the most qualified to handle the economy. He also doesn't want to start a war with Russia, like Hillary. He knows how the economy works, Hillary doesn’t. Trump is a businessman who knows how to create wealth. Hillary is a lawyer and a politician, who knows how to lie and cash checks from special interests. Who would you rather have managing your finances and operations?




Trump makes his money pretending to be a businessman for the cameras. Nearly everything concrete Trump has ventured has turned out to be a failure with the notable exceptions of his golf courses. Trump has success when he is licensing out his name to real businessmen and being a celebrity/reality TV personality. Trump doesn't "make great deals." Do you really think he has the ability to sit still for a meeting serious business with actual adults?[/quote


His net worth is in the billions, he's not a failure as a businessman.

When fortune 500 companies reported profit losses for several quarters, are they failures?  No.


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