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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23686436 - 09/28/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Our ranking, in comparison to what we spend, doesn't add up
When did the US start slipping in world rank? I'll let you research that, and then research when the federal govt seized control of education
LOL yes, let's not take into account the rest of the world, let's just assume that a conspiracy took place to detract he US from the rank it holds by way of sabotage.
it couldn't have been anything else. no other factors other than the US self-sabotaged 'cause liberals.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23686445 - 09/28/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you have some facts, post them, otherwise you're just trolling, and I kindly ask you to fuck off
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23686447 - 09/28/16 12:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: he just said that she won't move anyone forward. so what is so "fucking liberals" about that?
do you people even know how to have an original thought? 
or wait, is it that you think by "us" he's referring to 'liberals'. cause i think he means 'the country'. because the country is composed of both liberals and conservatives (and then some), i'd say you have alot to consider in terms of what is the right direction for the country, more than just "my team".
Sorry for misreading
You're Canadian and can't even type a coherent post. Stop talking shit
I stand by my statement, fuck liberals. They pretend like they care about the poor but it's all a facade
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23686465 - 09/28/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Our ranking, in comparison to what we spend, doesn't add up
When did the US start slipping in world rank? I'll let you research that, and then research when the federal govt seized control of education
Your first graph here is of estimated improvement in increments of percent of 1 standard deviation. In the 14 year span of this graph, the United States had and estimated improvement of 1.5% The second graph appears to show that the U.S. spends the second most per student on K-12 education of the countries listed. Based off of these graphs, it would appear that you are arguing that the federal governement spends too much money for meager improvements in outcome, a hypothesis that would be supported by starfire's graph above that initiated this interaction between us. However, I thought that your contention was that Quote:
Well, one things for sure, our shitty education system and infrastructure will only get worse the more federal centralized control they have over it.
A case which your own graphs don't seem to support, as the first is a measure of percent improvement.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#23686482 - 09/28/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Objection! Liberals!
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: elax420]
#23686483 - 09/28/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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elax420 said: Sorry for misreading
You're Canadian and can't even type a coherent post. Stop talking shit
I stand by my statement, fuck liberals. They pretend like they care about the poor but it's all a facade
don't be an asshat. if you had your way, there would still be no perfection. point being: there is no perfection. working together is all you've got. if the world was "Marxist" it would still not befit everyone, and frankly, freedom of choice, is better than non-freedom. simply put, you have no ground to stand on when you assume that it's "your way or the highway" when it comes to sense -- at least liberals can positively understand the concept of that kind of freedom, where people are not technically supposed to be put in any sort of box. SJWs are the exception to this pursuit. you should aim to be more clear and less full of absolute shit.
PS: i think you can understand my posts, so again, don't be such an asshat.
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hostileuniverse said: If you have some facts, post them, otherwise you're just trolling, and I kindly ask you to fuck off
uh no.
PPS: someone else will take care of it for me. i don't dig the sourcing statistical material thing, i find it to be a chore. someone else has already attained the evidence you are asking for, and will bring it to light; i need not worry about it.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: ballsalsa]
#23686489 - 09/28/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said:
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hostileuniverse said:


Our ranking, in comparison to what we spend, doesn't add up
When did the US start slipping in world rank? I'll let you research that, and then research when the federal govt seized control of education
Your first graph here is of estimated improvement in increments of percent of 1 standard deviation. In the 14 year span of this graph, the United States had and estimated improvement of 1.5% The second graph appears to show that the U.S. spends the second most per student on K-12 education of the countries listed. Based off of these graphs, it would appear that you are arguing that the federal governement spends too much money for meager improvements in outcome, a hypothesis that would be supported by starfire's graph above that initiated this interaction between us. However, I thought that your contention was that Quote:
Well, one things for sure, our shitty education system and infrastructure will only get worse the more federal centralized control they have over it.
A case which your own graphs don't seem to support, as the first is a measure of percent improvement.
Then please, explain to me why we rank so low compared to other countries when we spend almost the most per capita?
And if you just wanna obfuscate, please join Amira in the dunce corner
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse] 1
#23686494 - 09/28/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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because other countries have improved. now please, stop talking.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#23686496 - 09/28/16 12:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll pose the question again: Name one conservative solution to a problem facing this country that would work as intended.
We gotta lower taxes to help the economy! Except theres no factual basis for that claim.
We gotta impose austerity to help our debt situation! Except theres no factual basis for that claim.
And on and on.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23686499 - 09/28/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: because other countries have improved. now please, stop talking. 
Other countries have improved while we have exceeded them in spending
Please, Amira, contribute or fuck offf
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23686506 - 09/28/16 12:43 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said:

I'll pose the question again: Name one conservative solution to a problem facing this country that would work as intended.
We gotta lower taxes to help the economy! Except theres no factual basis for that claim.
We gotta impose austerity to help our debt situation! Except theres no factual basis for that claim.
And on and on.
Please show where I suggested lowering taxes or austerity to improve education
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23686509 - 09/28/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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akira_akuma said: because other countries have improved. now please, stop talking. 
Other countries have improved while we have exceeded them in spending
Please, Amira, contribute or fuck offf
yes, and that isn't the FED's fault for their utter failure to achieve...like your utter failure.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#23686512 - 09/28/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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HU thinks we had a top education system in the 50s, and then spent our way out of it. 
No. We defunded education at the state level while other nations decided to educate their citizens. And we see the consequences of these moves.
If you want to contend these facts, youre gonna have to find me a substantial number of nations who spend LESS on education per capita than us, who have much more educated citizens. But you wont be able to find one.
You get what you pay for. Isnt that like a free market idiom? Jesus...
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23686517 - 09/28/16 12:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said:
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The Ecstatic said:

I'll pose the question again: Name one conservative solution to a problem facing this country that would work as intended.
We gotta lower taxes to help the economy! Except theres no factual basis for that claim.
We gotta impose austerity to help our debt situation! Except theres no factual basis for that claim.
And on and on.
Please show where I suggested lowering taxes or austerity to improve education
Please show where I accused you of doing so. Im listing contentions made by typical conservatives, considering I'm criticizing contentions made by conservatives.
Pull your head out of your ass ajd answer my question instead of obfuscating.
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23686521 - 09/28/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said: Please show where I suggested lowering taxes or austerity to improve education
you mean "please show me where i missed how reducing spending connotes to austerity"
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23686522 - 09/28/16 12:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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hostileuniverse said:
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ballsalsa said:
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hostileuniverse said:


Our ranking, in comparison to what we spend, doesn't add up
When did the US start slipping in world rank? I'll let you research that, and then research when the federal govt seized control of education
Your first graph here is of estimated improvement in increments of percent of 1 standard deviation. In the 14 year span of this graph, the United States had and estimated improvement of 1.5% The second graph appears to show that the U.S. spends the second most per student on K-12 education of the countries listed. Based off of these graphs, it would appear that you are arguing that the federal governement spends too much money for meager improvements in outcome, a hypothesis that would be supported by starfire's graph above that initiated this interaction between us. However, I thought that your contention was that Quote:
Well, one things for sure, our shitty education system and infrastructure will only get worse the more federal centralized control they have over it.
A case which your own graphs don't seem to support, as the first is a measure of percent improvement.
Then please, explain to me why we rank so low compared to other countries when we spend almost the most per capita?
And if you just wanna obfuscate, please join Amira in the dunce corner
No, you explain it to me. You claim to know, remember?
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Well, one things for sure, our shitty education system and infrastructure will only get worse the more federal centralized control they have over it.
You then posted graphs that don't support your statement. Show me some piece of information that supports your statement please.
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#23686530 - 09/28/16 12:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
#23686540 - 09/28/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jesus, you guys are really something, we could have a conversation but I guess all you wanna do is
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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse]
#23686544 - 09/28/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know, let's double taxes and spend three times as much, then our systems would all soar above and beyond the rest of the world, and if it don't work, it's republicans fault
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#23686545 - 09/28/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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so you don't have any evidence to back up your claims then?
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