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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: sprinkles] * 1
    #23684347 - 09/27/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I liked trump (Hillary didn't even address these issues):

'You spent 6 trillion dollars in the middle east and its in shambles, ISIS running around. We could have rebuilt the country twice'.
Or we could have rebuilt it once. Hillary didn't say shit about her failures in the middle east.

'We are a debtor nation. We are 20 trillion in debt. Its one thing if you are 20 trillion in debt and you have new roads, hospitals, and airports. The worst possible thing has happened: we are 20 trillion in debt and we look like a 3rd world nation'
Hillary has been part of the entire process. Trump has not. The fact that he has no political experience ironically qualifies him, imo. I don't even think Hillary acknowledged the debt at all.

'There is $2.5 - $5 TRILLION overseas that is not being brought back into the country because of bureaucratic red tape.'
This one gets me the most. Imagine how many jobs $2.5 Trillion worth of investments would create. Hillary was silent.

She said nothing of his point about the Fed holding interest rates down for political reasons, and as soon as they are normalized the stock market bubble will pop.

She didn't touch on the illegal immigrants being granted citizenship without being screened when trump brought it up.

She didn't address the Iran deal that he was blasting, although I think he is way over-critical of Iran, $1 billion (I think it was) is a decent chunk of change to leave on the table

I think his stop and frisk support is ridiculous. He needs to be slapped for that.

I also thought he needed to shut the fuck up from time to time and be quiet while she was talking. Although she was continuously throwing out accusations, like 'Trump thinks Climate change is a hoax perpetrated by China', so its no surprise she got interrupted frequently.

About the 0 income tax. He responded very well. He has been audited for years, and he isn't doing anything illegal. It is his duty to his investors to use the IRS code to legally reduce his income tax obligation. If the tax code allows him to pay nothing, the problem is with the tax code and those who have failed to address it. I do think that saying "It makes me smart" was a stupid way to react initially, but he explained himself when it was his turn. At the end of the day, had he done otherwise, he would have been considered stupid. Tax avoidance is legal, and tax lawyers can get paid upwards of $2000/hr to accomplish it, if the stakes are high enough.

And let me just say that these loopholes Hillary is talking about closing, have been in place for quite some time. Every year the tax breaks, with all of their special treatments, come before congress and every year they get extended. Hillary has been a politician for 30 years, does anyone honestly expect her to do anything she says during the elections? I don't know how many times I can listen to a politician say what they will do once elected, when the track record is this abysmal. Regardless, what difference does it make if you raise the Income tax when the tax law prescribes legal avoidance strategies?

Other than that I thought Hillary threw out the typical overbroad statements and based her evidence on 'I hired experts to review my plan, and review yours. My experts said your plan would cost blah blah jobs and my plan would create blah blah jobs SO THERE.' What kind of bull shit was that?

I did like from Hillary:

Stop the privatization of Federal Prisons. That needs to be ditto on a state level, as well as in the jails.

Overall I'd have to give the nod to Trump simply because Clinton spent more time attacking trump personally, than she did explaining her political convictions, which were being fed to her via earpiece. He did spend a lot of time defending and clearing up the accusations, but he also showed more strength and more common sense regarding money, the economy, and the finances of the U.S.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23684362 - 09/27/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

One thing I was thinking about Trump and the Iraq war in 2003:  Who gives a fuck what his opinion was?  He was just a  businessman at that time.


Hillary supported it, and she had the hot, hard, cock about it from attending the  classified meetings, etc.  She was culpable in that disaster.  Trump was not.  Trump also said at the end of the Cavuto interview, when asked directly:

Q:  So what do you see as the 'bigger/more important issue?  The Iraq situation or the economy?"  (paraphrasing cavuto)

A:  Iraq is important BUT THE ECONOMY IS THE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUE RIGHT NOW.  TRUMPS ANSWER.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes]
    #23684392 - 09/27/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Also in response to PeyoteZen,

We are talking about Trump's opinion on the Iraq war because he keeps claiming he was always against it
and that he always knew what a terrible decision it was. He grills Clinton on it often. The problem is, these
claims are objectively false and foresight it 20/20 my man.

@amp, Im agreeing with a lot of your post :thumbup:


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 1
    #23684408 - 09/27/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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'We are a debtor nation. We are 20 trillion in debt. Its one thing if you are 20 trillion in debt and you have new roads, hospitals, and airports. The worst possible thing has happened: we are 20 trillion in debt and we look like a 3rd world nation'
Hillary has been part of the entire process. Trump has not. The fact that he has no political experience ironically qualifies him, imo. I don't even think Hillary acknowledged the debt at all.




And what about his ridiculous tax plan that would add five to ten trillion dollars more to the debt?  He thinks he can manipulate the government like a business, and that's simply not how it works,

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About the 0 income tax. He responded very well. He has been audited for years, and he isn't doing anything illegal. It is his duty to his investors to use the IRS code to legally reduce his income tax obligation. If the tax code allows him to pay nothing, the problem is with the tax code and those who have failed to address it. I do think that saying "It makes me smart" was a stupid way to react initially, but he explained himself when it was his turn. At the end of the day, had he done otherwise, he would have been considered stupid. Tax avoidance is legal, and tax lawyers can get paid upwards of $2000/hr to accomplish it, if the stakes are high enough.





Dude, you cannot be a presidential candidate and say you're smart because you paid no taxes!!!  You can rationalize it however you want, but that is simply ludicrous.  Has anyone ever heard of the common good?  Civic duty?  Don't give me some crap about the tax code.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Crumist]
    #23684419 - 09/27/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Crumist said:
Also in response to PeyoteZen,

We are talking about Trump's opinion on the Iraq war because he keeps claiming he was always against it
and that he always knew what a terrible decision it was. He grills Clinton on it often. The problem is, these
claims are objectively false and foresight it 20/20 my man.

@amp, Im agreeing with a lot of your post :thumbup:




Well, I heard the quote from the interview in 2003 where Trump stated he thought the economy was more important than Iraq.  He actually said in the interview that Bush should either do something or nothing about Iraq, but at least make a decision.  AND he said doing nothing was probably better. 

So he had mixed opinions on the war, but no big deal.  He isn't the one who made the disastrous decision to jump into Iraq.

But Hillary did.

Oh, Hillary talked about the need for Cyber Security?  Trump should have said, "Sure in my administration we will pay attention to cyber security--people won't set up private servers"

He left so much low hanging fruit on the tree, was he holding back?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23684606 - 09/27/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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amp244 said:
'We are a debtor nation. We are 20 trillion in debt. Its one thing if you are 20 trillion in debt and you have new roads, hospitals, and airports. The worst possible thing has happened: we are 20 trillion in debt and we look like a 3rd world nation'
Hillary has been part of the entire process. Trump has not. The fact that he has no political experience ironically qualifies him, imo. I don't even think Hillary acknowledged the debt at all.




And what about his ridiculous tax plan that would add five to ten trillion dollars more to the debt?  He thinks he can manipulate the government like a business, and that's simply not how it works,



The 5 trillion is actually the reduction in Federal Revenue (over 10 years). Saying his plan will add 5 trillion to the debt is making the assumption that he isn't going to cut the budget.

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About the 0 income tax. He responded very well. He has been audited for years, and he isn't doing anything illegal. It is his duty to his investors to use the IRS code to legally reduce his income tax obligation. If the tax code allows him to pay nothing, the problem is with the tax code and those who have failed to address it. I do think that saying "It makes me smart" was a stupid way to react initially, but he explained himself when it was his turn. At the end of the day, had he done otherwise, he would have been considered stupid. Tax avoidance is legal, and tax lawyers can get paid upwards of $2000/hr to accomplish it, if the stakes are high enough.





Dude, you cannot be a presidential candidate and say you're smart because you paid no taxes!!!  You can rationalize it however you want, but that is simply ludicrous.  Has anyone ever heard of the common good?  Civic duty?  Don't give me some crap about the tax code.



Its clear you don't understand business. Trump is a businessman and a good one. He has a duty to his investors to minimize his business's tax burden and maximize his earnings. Don't blame him for following the fucking law. Civic duty? Common Good? Do you see the way our gov't pisses away money? They are already racking up debt to pay for shit they can't afford. The problem is not revenue related, its expense related. If I wanted to support the common good the last place I'd put my money is in the Federal Government's hands.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 1
    #23684622 - 09/27/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If I wanted to support the common good the last place I'd put my money is in the Federal Government's hands.




You do realize that the federal government is over a million civilian employees running the country, right?  Most of what it does is necessary in an administrative sense.  The money's not all just wasted.  Although for me, the biggest elephant in the room is a Department of Defense that gets over half a trillion dollars every year.  Cut that some and there are very few remaining budgetary issues (discretionary).

And Trump says we need to do what with the military?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23684733 - 09/27/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You do realize that the federal government is over a million civilian employees running the country, right?  Most of what it does is necessary in an administrative sense.  The money's not all just wasted.  Although for me, the biggest elephant in the room is a Department of Defense that gets over half a trillion dollars every year.  Cut that some and there are very few remaining budgetary issues (discretionary).



^^^THIS^^^


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23684753 - 09/27/16 10:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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The 5 trillion is actually the reduction in Federal Revenue (over 10 years). Saying his plan will add 5 trillion to the debt is making the assumption that he isn't going to cut the budget.



And history shows that's a VERY realistic assumption.  Congress isn't going to cut shit.

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Dude, you cannot be a presidential candidate and say you're smart because you paid no taxes!!!  You can rationalize it however you want, but that is simply ludicrous.  Has anyone ever heard of the common good?  Civic duty?  Don't give me some crap about the tax code.



Its clear you don't understand business. Trump is a businessman and a good one. He has a duty to his investors to minimize his business's tax burden and maximize his earnings.



Once again, quantum is right.  He didn't question Trump's business sense, he questioned the fact that Trump brags about screwing over the Government.  Not a good move for a politician, imho.

Plus, he has zero duty to his investor's to minimize his personal income tax, which is what he was talking about.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23684755 - 09/27/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Oh so paying taxes is a good way to insure the salaries of all these people? Well then not paying them and hiring more people yourself is doing the exact same thing. The private sector can do just fine, you don't need to have a states-worth of gov't employees to create jobs. You need to incentivize PRIVATE investment.


Either way the employee salaries aren't the issue, its the "defense" spending, as you've said. Trump says he wants to 'strengthen our military' but he knows that the $600billion yearly is being pissed away to government contractors who are literally ripping off the taxpayer. I'm talking blatant fraud. So we'll see what that means as far as a defense budget. I haven't really looked, perhaps the info is out there. Does Trump plan on maintaining a $600billion/year defense budget?

If so, I'd just like to point out that a $5 trillion debt increase in 10 years would be a drastic reduction in the current upward trend of the U.S. debt.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23684783 - 09/27/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh so paying taxes is a good way to insure the salaries of all these people?



How do you want roads, schools, Congress, etc. to be paid for?

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amp244 said:
Well then not paying them and hiring more people yourself is doing the exact same thing.



Are YOU going to hire people to pay for MY freeways?

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amp244 said:
The private sector can do just fine, you don't need to have a states-worth of gov't employees to create jobs.



No one said we should replace the private sector with Government.  But certain things should come from the Government, such as freeways.

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You need to incentivize PRIVATE investment.



Of course.

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amp244 said:
Either way the employee salaries aren't the issue, its the "defense" spending, as you've said. Trump says he wants to 'strengthen our military' but he knows that the $600billion yearly is being pissed away to government contractors who are literally ripping off the taxpayer. I'm talking blatant fraud. So we'll see what that means as far as a defense budget. I haven't really looked, perhaps the info is out there. Does Trump plan on maintaining a $600billion/year defense budget?



And we agree - Defense needs to be seriously cut.  Good luck getting that through Congress.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23684826 - 09/27/16 10:37 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Falcon,
Trump is not screwing over our gov't. He is obeying and respecting its laws. You act like if the gov't told you that you fucked up your return and handed you a 100% refund you'd tell them to keep it. I've said time and time again, its the IRS that is allowing these rich mother fuckers to avoid paying their taxes. Trump is following the law. How many people do you employ? How many families do your businesses feed? Yes Trump is rich, yes he LEGALLY avoids paying income tax, but he invests his money in the U.S. which puts U.S. citizens to work.

You know, there was a time when there was no such thing as the Income Tax in this country. People take for granted that there needs to be a massive gov't fucking with the economy for things to run correctly. They don't read far enough into history to take note of all of the prosperity that took place while the Federal Gov't sat on the sidelines(comparatively), and people took care of themselves.  How ever did we manage the Industrial Revolution without our precious Income Tax, Federal Reserve, and Inflation? How were people eating without the constant devaluation of the currency?

Oh and ya boy Bernie didn't pay any taxes that didn't amount to just handing the gov't its own money back, lol.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #23684890 - 09/27/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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amp244 said:
Oh so paying taxes is a good way to insure the salaries of all these people?



How do you want roads, schools, Congress, etc. to be paid for?

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amp244 said:
Well then not paying them and hiring more people yourself is doing the exact same thing.



Are YOU going to hire people to pay for MY freeways?

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amp244 said:
The private sector can do just fine, you don't need to have a states-worth of gov't employees to create jobs.



No one said we should replace the private sector with Government.  But certain things should come from the Government, such as freeways.

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amp244 said:
You need to incentivize PRIVATE investment.



Of course.

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amp244 said:
Either way the employee salaries aren't the issue, its the "defense" spending, as you've said. Trump says he wants to 'strengthen our military' but he knows that the $600billion yearly is being pissed away to government contractors who are literally ripping off the taxpayer. I'm talking blatant fraud. So we'll see what that means as far as a defense budget. I haven't really looked, perhaps the info is out there. Does Trump plan on maintaining a $600billion/year defense budget?



And we agree - Defense needs to be seriously cut.  Good luck getting that through Congress.




Falcon you befuddle every argument with this bull shit^^^

Look at your first two quotes above. The first is a fucking rhetorical question. You aren't supposed to answer that, we all know the answer. It came right before your next quote, which bemused you and triggered a nonsensical question. You are beginning to try my patience and you just got in this thread. I was debating with quantum and I'd appreciate if you'd let Quantum answer and rebut for Quantum, who is quite capable and doesn't pull this type of shit.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23684899 - 09/27/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Oh and ya boy Bernie didn't pay any taxes that didn't amount to just handing the gov't its own money back, lol.




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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23684904 - 09/27/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No one said we should replace the private sector with Government.  But certain things should come from the Government, such as freeways.







Yes they should.  From the state governments.  Why does federal need to duplicate everything?  And why should someone in Arkansas pay for someones roads in Illinois, or vice versa?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
    #23685076 - 09/28/16 12:32 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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No one said we should replace the private sector with Government.





I say that.

Because I'm not a fucking pussy like Bernie.


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    #23685193 - 09/28/16 01:41 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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    #23685290 - 09/28/16 03:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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put Bernie back




He has never left the DNC building. He is pressing really hard for hillary to become his president, but even though that he knows that hillary is a corporation's whore.






When Bernie Sanders stood before the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia, he promised “to do everything I can” to elect Hillary Clinton president.

But for much of the summer, Sanders was consumed with authoring a book he plans to release in November, while raising money for progressive candidates down the ticket. He has done just a handful of campaign events for Clinton, and hasn’t yet activated his grassroots army that powered him to win more than 12 million votes during the Democratic primary.

That’s about to change.

In recent days, Sanders has privately informed his old rival that he plans a surge of campaign events in key battleground states, including ones the Vermont independent won during the Democratic primary campaign and others with pockets of younger voters turned off by Clinton, according to two sources familiar with the conversations between the two camps.

That means more stops in states like Michigan and New Hampshire, and possible trips to Nevada, Pennsylvania, Colorado and Wisconsin.

The Clinton camp even plans to deploy Sanders to Minnesota, a state likely to go Democratic in the fall but one the Clinton camp is quietly trying to shore up as Donald Trump gains ground across the country, sources said.

On Wednesday, Sanders will appear with Clinton in Durham, New Hampshire, an effort aimed directly at millennials by promoting college affordability. And it comes at a crucial time: Clinton is seeing her support stall among millennial voters, who are turning to Libertarian nominee Gary Johnson instead.

In a Tuesday interview with CNN, Sanders promised that he would make the case directly to millennials about Clinton’s proposal to ease tuition payments to families earning less than $125,000 annually, calling it a “big deal.”

And he said that he would draw a direct contrast between Trump and Clinton on the issue of humans causing global warming, which the GOP nominee has questioned in the past.

“To the degree that we get those points out, I think she will do a whole lot better among younger people,” Sanders said.

Asked if he should do more for Clinton after keeping a relatively low profile after the convention, Sanders said: “We will be working very aggressively.”

But he would not answer directly when asked if he would activate his small donor network to pour money into Clinton’s coffers.

“I’m going to be campaigning as hard as I can,” Sanders said. http://wtkr.com/2016/09/27/sanders-clinton-plot-new-push-amid-slipping-support-with-millennials/


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23685294 - 09/28/16 03:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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You know, there was a time when there was no such thing as the Income Tax in this country. People take for granted that there needs to be a massive gov't fucking with the economy for things to run correctly. They don't read far enough into history to take note of all of the prosperity that took place while the Federal Gov't sat on the sidelines(comparatively), and people took care of themselves.



That "prosperity" was great for the upper class.  But there was never a large middle class until Government created one.  Here nor anywhere else.

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How ever did we manage the Industrial Revolution without our precious Income Tax, Federal Reserve, and Inflation? How were people eating without the constant devaluation of the currency?



It wasn't easy.  There Government couldn't afford to pay for a strong military, inflation (and deflation) were hugely unstable, and there were many banking panics where people lost everything.

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Oh and ya boy Bernie didn't pay any taxes that didn't amount to just handing the gov't its own money back, lol.



:kelsoburn:



What's your point?  That Bernie shouldn't pay taxes?

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amp244 said:
Oh so paying taxes is a good way to insure the salaries of all these people?



How do you want roads, schools, Congress, etc. to be paid for?

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Well then not paying them and hiring more people yourself is doing the exact same thing.



Are YOU going to hire people to pay for MY freeways?

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The private sector can do just fine, you don't need to have a states-worth of gov't employees to create jobs.



No one said we should replace the private sector with Government.  But certain things should come from the Government, such as freeways.

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You need to incentivize PRIVATE investment.



Of course.

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Either way the employee salaries aren't the issue, its the "defense" spending, as you've said. Trump says he wants to 'strengthen our military' but he knows that the $600billion yearly is being pissed away to government contractors who are literally ripping off the taxpayer. I'm talking blatant fraud. So we'll see what that means as far as a defense budget. I haven't really looked, perhaps the info is out there. Does Trump plan on maintaining a $600billion/year defense budget?



And we agree - Defense needs to be seriously cut.  Good luck getting that through Congress.




Falcon you befuddle every argument with this bull shit^^^

Look at your first two quotes above. The first is a fucking rhetorical question. You aren't supposed to answer that, we all know the answer. It came right before your next quote, which bemused you and triggered a nonsensical question.



No, it's not rhetorical; I was responding to your question "so paying taxes is a good way to insure the salaries of all these people?"  The answer is yes, of course it is; how else would we pay for such things?

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I was debating with quantum and I'd appreciate if you'd let Quantum answer and rebut for Quantum, who is quite capable and doesn't pull this type of shit.



Yes, he IS very capable.  But I'd still like an answer to the question of how you'd pay for things if people like Trump don't pay taxes?


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    #23685386 - 09/28/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

What Trump was referring to about being smart because of not paying taxes? He meant that he knows how to channel his money, to use his money to make him money. He knows what write off  or tax breaks that he can use to help him out with his business and save money at the same time, making sure that he doesn't owes. Basically, he is able to kill more than two birds with one stone, because he can think further down the line than any other businessman. In order for someone that earns over millions of dollars in a year, and finds ways not to owe, is someone that knows what they are doing. Like that woman that he has fired on his show, that he has invested on a project that has given her a show of her own and creating jobs for other and which that is a tax write off and the show helps produces revenue for him as well. He sees ways for him to make money all around him, because that is his main focus. Most people only can see opportunity to make money in their own area. Like let's say about someone that knows about real estate, and that someone that lives only a short distance away from him had stuck oil on their land. But some people doesn't know that if they live a certain distance away, that they are entitle to receive residual from that well. But President Trump is very intelligent, that he knows the majority of all areas, but which most businessmen only knows a few, but they hires someone that knows a lot in certain areas, that can help them to find ways to put money back into his pocket, from a piece of property that has no value. Like there are lawyers that knows a lot that they can be a judge. But then there are some lawyer that depends on a group paralegals to help finds information on a case. But Trump is like a judge that has a lot of knowledge from experiences, that doesn't needs no assistance on looking up for information on a case, he just lay back in the chamber and think of past cases.  .


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