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Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. * 2
    #23677969 - 09/25/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The first official debate takes place tomorrow. I trust the majority of the political forum posters will be watching so I figured I'd make this thread for us to discuss.

If Trump doesn't pull any punches, he will destroy her.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: demiu5] * 3
    #23678062 - 09/25/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, physically assault her or someone else? How much left wing propaganda have you been subjecting yourself to?

The best thing is, the debate is tomorrow, so all of the people who hate trump because the media tells you he is racist and sexist will FINALLY get to hear him speak. All I can say is tune in tomorrow. If trump stays on her like he's been doing, its over for her.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23678138 - 09/25/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Oh just wait. The debate tomorrow will be epic.

And 'pulling your punches' means that you will not hit as hard, or you will hold back intentionally so as not to cause harm. Just to clear that up.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: psilynut] * 1
    #23678185 - 09/25/16 10:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea. I don't think Hilary is capable of winning a highschool debate, let alone this one.

And 91% of the things Donald Trump says are false? Are you kidding me? 91% of the things he says aren't even facts that you could look up. At least half of it is shit like, "we need to make America safe".


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: psilynut] * 1
    #23678296 - 09/25/16 10:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think Trump challenges the establishment. He points out how they control the media and use it to slander, propagandize, and spread disinformation; which is spot on, and absent in politics since Ron Paul. I think that Hilary is working for that establishment. That's why she has gotten this far with virtually no support. That's why she was running while being investigated by the FBI with full confidence that she would not be charged or go to prison (despite the fact that she was guilty as sin). That's why she got caught rigging the nominations and still won the Democratic nomination. She has accepted over $150million through the Clinton Foundation from donors all over the world, because she is the predetermined winner of this election. If she doesn't win, heads will roll. The checks have already been cashed.

These debates are Trump's best shot at winning this election. The people simply need to hear him speak without the media taking it out of context and throwing their psychological spin on it. He needs to crush her publically in a debate.

All of this is of course contingent on whether or not Trump is actually the real deal. Part of me thinks he may just be part of the establishment's preconceived plan to get Hilary in. I'm just worried that Trump will 'pull his punches' once the cameras turn on and lose like he is supposed to. Or he will say some insensitive line designed to disgust people into voting for Hilary.

Is Trump real, or fake? We will find out tomorrow. Unless of course she passes out from the room temperature.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: psilynut]
    #23678299 - 09/25/16 10:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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This ^^^is exactly what I'm talking about . It is not possible for Donald trump to repeal common core because common core is not a federal mandate .  The federal govt didn't create common core it's something the states choose to take part in . It was created by the the national govoners association and the council of chief state school officers  at the state level .





And even if it were a federal issue. The president is not the King. I know Obama has everyone confused, but just because a president wants to pass a law or repeal a law, doesn't mean he has the power to.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
    #23678368 - 09/25/16 11:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yea I'm with you on that. Trump is an apparent challenge to the establishment that's sponsoring Hilary Clinton. The only thing I don't like about Trump is when he goes on about how Iran is our biggest threat and Israel is our biggest ally, and how we need to beef up the military.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Astral Pain]
    #23679649 - 09/26/16 11:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I can only imagine the cocktail of medication she's going to be on. She can't stand for 90 minutes all loaded up on benzos, so there needs to be a counteractive drug added to the mix that keeps her legs and brain alive for this marathon debate. Can't wait to see her eyes. 



Hahaha, She might pass out from the room temperature.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Patlal]
    #23679676 - 09/26/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Patlal said:
I believe that this debate will get more ratings than the Superbowl.

This election is the ultimate reality show. The fate of the world is literally on the line here. It's insane.



IDK about the super bowl, but this is the best storyline anyone could ever spin. I was about to say, 'You couldn't write this', but then I think, 'Yea, you definitely could'. Dude's name is Anthony Weiner for Christ sake. The headlines were reading "Huma cuts off Weiner". This shit is too much.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] * 1
    #23680153 - 09/26/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ron Paul was one of the only politicians I can remember who would go head to head in a debate with anyone, anywhere, anytime, about anything. Dude acted on his own political convictions and could put the establishments talking heads, like Krugman, in their places with ease. No script, no preparation, no contest. There was a reason they were censoring all the shit he was saying. Dude was making way too much sense and exposing too much BS.

And he was Racist? Lol. That's a first for me. I'd love to see you point me in the direction of the material which lead you to that conclusion.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23680193 - 09/26/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Its too bad Bernie was fake and folded like a lawn chair. Where the fuck was he at when all this DNC leaked email shit came out? If you were really trying to run for president, why just roll over that easily? Oh that's right, he's been playing along like the little shill he's always been. He seemed pretty genuine to me, up until the whole "Damn emails" stunt where he let Hillary off the hook. Then the submissiveness and willingness to roll over. He had me fooled at first, but dude is as fake as the rest of them.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23680646 - 09/26/16 06:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm getting antsy in my pantsy.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23680965 - 09/26/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This is awesome.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23681234 - 09/26/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So all Clinton has is raise taxes and more regulations, hasn't Obama been doing that already?

And she's a better choice?




Obviously taxes need to be raised on the wealthy considering our record deficits, debt, and lowest top tax rates in history.

And yes, we need to regulate the banks.



No taxes don't need to be raised. Expenditures need to be cut. We spend $600Billion/year on defense spending and they were just talking about how obsolete the military equipment is. This money is being pissed away.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23681244 - 09/26/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

But, Trump won that shit. All Clinton could do was put that stupid airhead look on her face and attack him for shit he did 30 years ago.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23681541 - 09/26/16 10:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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amp244 said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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hostileuniverse said:
So all Clinton has is raise taxes and more regulations, hasn't Obama been doing that already?

And she's a better choice?




Obviously taxes need to be raised on the wealthy considering our record deficits, debt, and lowest top tax rates in history.

And yes, we need to regulate the banks.



No taxes don't need to be raised. Expenditures need to be cut. We spend $600Billion/year on defense spending and they were just talking about how obsolete the military equipment is. This money is being pissed away.




So how are we gonna have a non-obsolete military if we cut the defense budget?

I'm all for the move, but that reasoning confuses me.



Of course it confuses you. Because you think 'cutting the defense budget' means 'eliminating the defense budget', when clearly it does not. The majority of the money is squandered away and handed over to private contractors. If that were to stop, there would be plenty of money to actually spend on defense...


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Crumist]
    #23681558 - 09/26/16 10:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Trump all but admitted he pays $0 in federal taxes. That's way worse than I could've
imagined



And hes is doing so legally. There is a difference between tax avoidance and tax evasion. One is legal the other isn't. He defended well. Its the regulations and politicians that are the problem. He has been continuously audited and he isn't doing anything illegal. Its his obligation to minimize his tax burden. If the law allows him to pay $0 in taxes then shame on the law, he made a point that he would make radical changes to the tax code, which clearly are needed.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23681633 - 09/26/16 11:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think the best 'fix' for the tax code is to throw the whole thing out and rewrite very simply and broadly.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: sprinkles] * 1
    #23684347 - 09/27/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I liked trump (Hillary didn't even address these issues):

'You spent 6 trillion dollars in the middle east and its in shambles, ISIS running around. We could have rebuilt the country twice'.
Or we could have rebuilt it once. Hillary didn't say shit about her failures in the middle east.

'We are a debtor nation. We are 20 trillion in debt. Its one thing if you are 20 trillion in debt and you have new roads, hospitals, and airports. The worst possible thing has happened: we are 20 trillion in debt and we look like a 3rd world nation'
Hillary has been part of the entire process. Trump has not. The fact that he has no political experience ironically qualifies him, imo. I don't even think Hillary acknowledged the debt at all.

'There is $2.5 - $5 TRILLION overseas that is not being brought back into the country because of bureaucratic red tape.'
This one gets me the most. Imagine how many jobs $2.5 Trillion worth of investments would create. Hillary was silent.

She said nothing of his point about the Fed holding interest rates down for political reasons, and as soon as they are normalized the stock market bubble will pop.

She didn't touch on the illegal immigrants being granted citizenship without being screened when trump brought it up.

She didn't address the Iran deal that he was blasting, although I think he is way over-critical of Iran, $1 billion (I think it was) is a decent chunk of change to leave on the table

I think his stop and frisk support is ridiculous. He needs to be slapped for that.

I also thought he needed to shut the fuck up from time to time and be quiet while she was talking. Although she was continuously throwing out accusations, like 'Trump thinks Climate change is a hoax perpetrated by China', so its no surprise she got interrupted frequently.

About the 0 income tax. He responded very well. He has been audited for years, and he isn't doing anything illegal. It is his duty to his investors to use the IRS code to legally reduce his income tax obligation. If the tax code allows him to pay nothing, the problem is with the tax code and those who have failed to address it. I do think that saying "It makes me smart" was a stupid way to react initially, but he explained himself when it was his turn. At the end of the day, had he done otherwise, he would have been considered stupid. Tax avoidance is legal, and tax lawyers can get paid upwards of $2000/hr to accomplish it, if the stakes are high enough.

And let me just say that these loopholes Hillary is talking about closing, have been in place for quite some time. Every year the tax breaks, with all of their special treatments, come before congress and every year they get extended. Hillary has been a politician for 30 years, does anyone honestly expect her to do anything she says during the elections? I don't know how many times I can listen to a politician say what they will do once elected, when the track record is this abysmal. Regardless, what difference does it make if you raise the Income tax when the tax law prescribes legal avoidance strategies?

Other than that I thought Hillary threw out the typical overbroad statements and based her evidence on 'I hired experts to review my plan, and review yours. My experts said your plan would cost blah blah jobs and my plan would create blah blah jobs SO THERE.' What kind of bull shit was that?

I did like from Hillary:

Stop the privatization of Federal Prisons. That needs to be ditto on a state level, as well as in the jails.

Overall I'd have to give the nod to Trump simply because Clinton spent more time attacking trump personally, than she did explaining her political convictions, which were being fed to her via earpiece. He did spend a lot of time defending and clearing up the accusations, but he also showed more strength and more common sense regarding money, the economy, and the finances of the U.S.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #23684606 - 09/27/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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amp244 said:
'We are a debtor nation. We are 20 trillion in debt. Its one thing if you are 20 trillion in debt and you have new roads, hospitals, and airports. The worst possible thing has happened: we are 20 trillion in debt and we look like a 3rd world nation'
Hillary has been part of the entire process. Trump has not. The fact that he has no political experience ironically qualifies him, imo. I don't even think Hillary acknowledged the debt at all.




And what about his ridiculous tax plan that would add five to ten trillion dollars more to the debt?  He thinks he can manipulate the government like a business, and that's simply not how it works,



The 5 trillion is actually the reduction in Federal Revenue (over 10 years). Saying his plan will add 5 trillion to the debt is making the assumption that he isn't going to cut the budget.

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About the 0 income tax. He responded very well. He has been audited for years, and he isn't doing anything illegal. It is his duty to his investors to use the IRS code to legally reduce his income tax obligation. If the tax code allows him to pay nothing, the problem is with the tax code and those who have failed to address it. I do think that saying "It makes me smart" was a stupid way to react initially, but he explained himself when it was his turn. At the end of the day, had he done otherwise, he would have been considered stupid. Tax avoidance is legal, and tax lawyers can get paid upwards of $2000/hr to accomplish it, if the stakes are high enough.





Dude, you cannot be a presidential candidate and say you're smart because you paid no taxes!!!  You can rationalize it however you want, but that is simply ludicrous.  Has anyone ever heard of the common good?  Civic duty?  Don't give me some crap about the tax code.



Its clear you don't understand business. Trump is a businessman and a good one. He has a duty to his investors to minimize his business's tax burden and maximize his earnings. Don't blame him for following the fucking law. Civic duty? Common Good? Do you see the way our gov't pisses away money? They are already racking up debt to pay for shit they can't afford. The problem is not revenue related, its expense related. If I wanted to support the common good the last place I'd put my money is in the Federal Government's hands.


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