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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: doomshroom88]
    #23733144 - 10/13/16 04:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

the end is nigh


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23733816 - 10/13/16 11:35 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

..of the greatest reality tv show the world will see..before its impending doom.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Canon]
    #23741537 - 10/16/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Personally, I think Clinton will win.. but then I assumed the UK wouldn't leave the EU. The protest vote can't be dismissed.

People have already started voting and Trump has been hit with these sexual assault recordings and all the other shit he does.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Brian Jones]
    #23741606 - 10/16/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Clinton and Trump change what they say according to whom they are speaking.

Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are pretty weed friendly.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Eminence]
    #23741930 - 10/16/16 10:02 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If you believe the sexual assault allegations are true, do you also believe that Hillary threatened her husband's actual rape victims? Seems there's evidence that the allegations against Trump are false, but it's a fact that Bill actually has raped women while he was in the white house and before as well.




Trump and Bill probably went to the same sex parties.

I haven't followed things in much depth but i wouldn't be surprised by Hilary threatening rape victims.

Bill isn't running for President. That doesn't mean its not important what he did and is accused of doing. It just seems to emphasise the sex offender culture of the rich and powerful of which Trump is a part of..

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It's funny that you never heard about these cases about Trump, it's only when he started getting so popular that people started coming out about it.



Long before hearing about specific allegations about Trump, I very confidently assumed within the first few seconds of hearing this douche speak that this guy is a mega creep with women. He exudes a slime that can be seen from space.

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If he actually did do those things, then I lost some respect for him, but I'm almost positive it's just bullshit made up by Hillary's campaign to try to counter him bringing up facts about Clinton and her husband.




How could you not believe he said those things he admitted to saying???????? :lol:
+ this is not an isolated incident!

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And an audio recording? I don't fucking care, he's a man, it's pretty rare to find a man that doesn't say shit like that sometimes.




so you, and most men you know, talk about the ease with which they can commit sexual assault???? Its not the fact that he said "pussy" that we are shocked, its the fact that he said that because he is a star he can do anything including grabbing peoples genitals without question. + as owner of his show he can walk in on naked girls as young as 15, with impunity.

He bragged about sexual assault. If you think this is just all part of being a man, then you are not a man. Yes you should lose all respect for him, frankly its a wonder you haven't already. You should not be annoyed only because you have women in your life, but because its a stain on what men stand for.
What men do you know who speak like this and how does that reflect on them?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23742295 - 10/16/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok..so that was what people are freaking out about? Uhh..again, sounds like most guys I know. :lol:



you seem awfully comfortable about the rich and powerful abusing their positions to abuse women. Its weird that you seem to look at it with a bit of awe.
You seem to miss the impunity with which these people in these positions can do things and for actions to not be questioned.

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Ok..so that was what people are freaking out about? Uhh..again, sounds like most guys I know. :lol:



Hahah I know. Most people have never worked construction, but this shit has got nothing on that. I've said some shit in complete jest and sarcasm that would likely get me killed in certain circles. I had absolutely no intention or desire to actually do any of it.




BREAKING NEWS, construction workers linked with sexual harassment

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People say shit in sarcasm behind closed doors with friends that they will never do or have never done. This is clearly a case of that. People who say that 'Trump is bragging about sexually assaulting a woman' are completely off base. Point me toward the victim please. Who was sexually assaulted? He said he took a woman out furniture shopping and she didn't give it up. Then he started making absurd sarcastic jokes about grabbing them by the pussy because he is a big star. Clearly a joke, clearly inappropriate, and clearly irrelevant to the immensely important job that is being competed for.




this isn't some isolated incident. i think that whether you see it as a joke or not, its naive to think that he doesn't use his position like this. there are people coming forward claiming sexual assault and stories spanning decades. he even raped his own wife- which she later withdrew. why are you legitimising the way these people in our society behave? Like Bill Clinton, Bill Cosby, Epstein, Jimmy Saville, Rolf Harris. Or do you also look at these people with awe about how they used their positions for sexual harassment?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23776700 - 10/27/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I wonder if there will be an armed revolt of trump supporters if trump loses.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23781787 - 10/29/16 03:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Crumist]
    #23806346 - 11/06/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

he will deny reality because the alternative would be being a loser. Trump is a tremendous winner, remember?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #23808723 - 11/07/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you guys have bought into media hype about Donald Trump.  I wish you had the world viewing you based off of off hand quips, and regular joe talking, and being yourself.  You would shit your fucking pants and run away like the coward you are.  Your just young boys talking.  You never have fought for your country, you dont know shit about fighting for whats RIGHT.  Your just unknowingly living like you are because people like me and others have fought for your rights and idiocy.

The media is so corrupt, you take your image of Trump from the MEDIA, or your friends - who take it FROM THE MEDIA.

Because Ill tell you what, he has no record as a public servant. Look at Hillary's donors, look at her outcomes of her votes while in senate and her abuses while secretary of state. go look up them up online, it will take you a few days to go through each fucking massive one with all their foreign names and big league names, if you hate Donald so much why are you voting for Hillary?  Hillary is the one who has people that you think Donald represents FUCKING FUNDING HER, thats HER people , not the normal US family, you buy her two faced talk when she talks about protecting rights?  Your so so so so so immature..

You have all been fooled.




who are you even talking to? What do you know about whoever you are talking to and what do you know of how people form their opinions?

All your posts seem to say - "youre all so young and know nothing" :lol:

pray tell, how old are you? Tell me about how your age has given you great insight into the opinion-making of people you don't actually know.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Blind Ass] * 2
    #23808744 - 11/07/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Go watch Bernie, you can tell hes hurting inside because he sold out so badly - even though he knew he had so many young people believing in him -  but instead ... he sold out, hard - he doesnt believe whats hes doing now - its ALL an Act, he was just a ploy, a distraction, fake opponent, bought out, sold out, and the young fell for it and let emotions and lies screw them up mentally and now they go for Hillary (the naive ones at least) just because he endorsed her....even though he was so diametrically opposed to her hahahahahaha.  Young people are naive and fall for it, but they'll learn after the next 8 years.




oooohhh shit you surprised me there with yet another post denigrating younger people (or people you assume are younger because they think differently to you)!!

Is it your many thousands of years that have taught you exactly what is going on in Bernie's head?

I personally think he made the best decision he could have. It was diplomatic, tactical and reasonably weighed - though of course FAR from ideal.

Bernie has pushed an agenda onto the democratic party and therefore Clinton. If Clinton does not continue to listen to the movement behind Bernie, then there will be hell to pay. Trump wouldn't listen to any of them anyway so why would anyone tactically support him? makes no sense. He doesn't even think climate change is a thing lol.

If he went as independent then it would have split the vote meaning Trump would win.

What would you have done if you were Bernie, OH GREAT WISE ANCIENT WRINKLY ONE ??


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #23808751 - 11/07/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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he will deny reality because the alternative would be being a loser. Trump is a tremendous winner, remember?



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Tremendous.




He's a tremendous winner at anything except business and presidential elections, and he's a tremendous loser at those two. I guess he's a winner at pathetic reality TV shows, and that is the only thing that motivates his candidacy. It's just a matter of hours till this freak show is over.





I only hope it will actually be over. If he doesn't unambiguously accept the results of the election, its going to be sending crazy signals to all his white nationalist militia buddies.
Even if he does fully accept the results, I would not be surprised if there were rogue elements who would not accept it.

The thing with donald drumpf is that he does seem to live in his own reality so in his own reality he is a winner at everything.
If he does actually lose, he is still planning to have his hotel on pennsylvania avenue and his TV channel. What if he tries to become a parallel President and continue to live in denial? I dont actually think this is likely haha but who knows what to expect with this absolute fucking cretin. :lol:


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #23809179 - 11/07/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Well first off..Trump didn't say anything racist (god damn it gets tiring repeating that) but I still think I've seen at least just as much racism coming from people who are super anti Trump as I've heard from hardcore Trump supporters. Except the racism is all directed towards white people, and a little bit here and there towards "colored" people who are voting for Trump too. A little "xenophobia" is healthy anyway..ever wonder why places like Japan see such little terrorism, almost none actually? Plus...it seems a lot of Trump haters have a thing for destroying other peoples' property too. I'm not surprised you totally ignore all the dumb shit that constantly goes on within Hillary's team and her fans though. :shrug:



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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #23809185 - 11/07/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The good thing about Trump is that he's gotten the disenfrachised poor white people to finally realize theyre being disenfranchised. Only took em 50 years.




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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23815270 - 11/09/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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She never drew the kind of support Bernie did.  Democrats blew it.



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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Tipote] * 1
    #23815284 - 11/09/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Trumps got a hell of a lot of bullshit promises to deliver on.

at least i hope this means people are more engaged with politics and that the reaction to Trump will put a lot of pressure on him to represent everyone.

I fear that, just like after Brexit, some xenophobes will have confidence to act out against minorities. They will feel vindicated from this despite the many reasons people voted for Drumpf.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Eminence] * 2
    #23815422 - 11/09/16 07:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Trumps got a hell of a lot of bullshit promises to deliver on.

at least i hope this means people are more engaged with politics and that the reaction to Trump will put a lot of pressure on him to represent everyone.

I fear that, just like after Brexit, some xenophobes will have confidence to act out against minorities. They will feel vindicated from this despite the many reasons people voted for Drumpf.




If not wanting a bunch of people swarming your country and drastically raising the crime rates makes someone a xenophobe..then call me a xenophobe :lol:




:lol: maybe learn to read entire posts?

I said, "despite the many reasons people voted from Drumpf" - this suggests that not everyone who voted for him is a racist, nazi, misogynist etc.
It was the same in the UK with Brexit. I know plenty of people who don't have a racist bone in their body who voted to leave but i hope you can understand the concept that bigots feel vindicated by a vote in their favour, as though everyone else voted how and why they did. This makes retarded racists, xenophobes etc to come out and attack minorities. The increase in violence against foreigners during the campaign, and straight after was significant.

People in the UK, EU, US etc etc all have genuine and legitimate concerns about things like immigration, the economy etc etc which have not been addressed by either of the mainstream parties, this is exactly why we are seeing the rise of the far-right in Europe (see the huge thread of the same name). I have two half sisters, who aren't very bright, but they will be voting for the national front in France..because the national front is the only party taking legitimate (and illegitimate) immigration concerns seriously.. People with legitimate concerns inevitably join a movement that addresses their concerns - even if that party is extremist/racist in its rhetoric...or had a history of welcoming the Nazis to France and backstabbing the resistance against occupation.....

Knowing whether concerns are legitimate or not come down to the reasoning behind it and the evidence supporting it. If you think immigrants can be a burden on the healthcare system for example, there might be evidence to support that. If on the other hand you dont want brown people because however many generations they live in the country you don't recognise them as British/American, and you believe they are therefore undeserving leeches because they aren't really your countrymen because they aren't white..then that suggests an illegitimate concern. To pretend racism and a whole bunch of prejudicial -isms aren't very relevant here is just as stupid as assuming that every Trump supporter is a frothing-at-the-mouth nazi. You have to appreciate that even though it is put under different terminology, white men in the UK and the US are incredibly butthurt that they are losing what they see as their entitled position of power in society. This clearly has strong hints of white supremacy whether it is conscious or not. Are you surprised white supremacists have backed Trump?? Or are you thinking they just have fair and legitimate concerns?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] * 1
    #23815563 - 11/09/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's called a backlash, you can thank the Jewish liberal media and people like yourself for this outcome.

You can't push an agenda down peoples throats and then be surprised when they start gagging on it.




so you want to thank me for Trump getting elected? Why? what did I do?? Not hate muslims by default?

Yes, i agree - its a backlash to not address legitimate and some illegitimate concerns and get a strong reaction. Where would I be without you?


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    #23815682 - 11/09/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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"what did I do?"

You slandered people that disagreed with your radical policy ideas, you see when you call people racist, sexist, xenophobic and bigots for no valid reason other than speculation, you create a very strong counter movement.

I know it's fun to use those labels when other people don't see the world like you do, but those actions come with major consequences. Hillary called half of US citizens "deplorable", that action had major consequences.




what radical policy ideas? Accepting refugees?? Is that really radical??

If you read any of my posts you will see that I have been criticising people for blasting all Trump supporters as racists, nazis etc. because its not as simple as that. 

If you read any of my posts you would see that I've said that dismissing and belittling people who have legitimate concerns as nothing but racists causes a backlash and is short-sighted and destructive. I dont find concerns based on racism to be legitimate concerns as they are based in ignorance, prejudice and hate. That doesn't mean that concerns over immigration are all racist and illegitimate.

i'm actually kinda surprised you aren't embracing my recognition that there are legitimate grievances being voiced. Perhaps you are sad i'm not recognising racism as legitimate........:crazy2:

PS: i'm not Hilary Clinton. calling people deplorable is different from correctly identifying racist reasoning. I agree "racist" is used too easily when it doesn't actually apply and it unfairly shuts down discussion. Many white people dont even understand what racism means. When I use it for you, it is used correctly.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: qman] * 2
    #23816354 - 11/09/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So we're in agreement, too bad the MSM and other liberals don't feel the same way.





Yes we agree that people use all kinds of labels unfairly - this applies to all sides.
If I say I support the acceptance of refugees, i'm labelled a whole bunch of stuff unfairly. 

this might just blow your mind but liberals are ..not a monolithic group
.....but if you haven't got that already then I won't hold my breath.

Conservatives are not a monolithic group
Democrats are not a monolithic group
Muslims are not a monolithic group
"third worlders" are not a monolithic group
Trump supporters are not a monolithic group
Americans are not a monolithic group

Can you see a pattern?

there is a world of nuance out there beyond the black and white


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