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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23680148 - 09/26/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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despite him being the omly honest, geniune, and honorable presidential candidate since god knows when.




You mean since Ron Paul...




Ron paul was a racist idiot who had no clear policy goals other than aboliahing an abitrary selection of federal departments. Libertarians are part of the problem.




Right on.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23681249 - 09/26/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Neither of the above, please.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Crumist]
    #23681383 - 09/26/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think the debate is going to change the poll numbers at all.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: demiu5] * 1
    #23681486 - 09/26/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't think the debate is going to change the poll numbers at all.





i don't think the outcome of the election is going to change anything at all




Now that, at a fundamental level, I agree with.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: nooneman]
    #23683372 - 09/27/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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That was a thoroughly awful debate performance from Trump. I'm not just saying that to bash Trump, almost every article from political analysts including those in the republican party have said the same thing. That was a legitimately terrible performance. Some people are calling it among the worst debate performances of modern times, and I can't say I disagree.

I mean, his response to paying no income tax was "that makes me smart"? What the fuck kind of response is that. He got flustered, and half of his comments were him almost talking over himself and rambling. The whole ending monologue he gave was just a complete rambling trainwreck.

He did good in the first 15 minutes, but man after that he just fell apart.




But the point is that his performance isn't going to change the minds of his base one bit.  He's as much a threat to win the presidency as he ever was, debate or no.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 1
    #23684408 - 09/27/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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'We are a debtor nation. We are 20 trillion in debt. Its one thing if you are 20 trillion in debt and you have new roads, hospitals, and airports. The worst possible thing has happened: we are 20 trillion in debt and we look like a 3rd world nation'
Hillary has been part of the entire process. Trump has not. The fact that he has no political experience ironically qualifies him, imo. I don't even think Hillary acknowledged the debt at all.




And what about his ridiculous tax plan that would add five to ten trillion dollars more to the debt?  He thinks he can manipulate the government like a business, and that's simply not how it works,

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About the 0 income tax. He responded very well. He has been audited for years, and he isn't doing anything illegal. It is his duty to his investors to use the IRS code to legally reduce his income tax obligation. If the tax code allows him to pay nothing, the problem is with the tax code and those who have failed to address it. I do think that saying "It makes me smart" was a stupid way to react initially, but he explained himself when it was his turn. At the end of the day, had he done otherwise, he would have been considered stupid. Tax avoidance is legal, and tax lawyers can get paid upwards of $2000/hr to accomplish it, if the stakes are high enough.





Dude, you cannot be a presidential candidate and say you're smart because you paid no taxes!!!  You can rationalize it however you want, but that is simply ludicrous.  Has anyone ever heard of the common good?  Civic duty?  Don't give me some crap about the tax code.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 1
    #23684622 - 09/27/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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If I wanted to support the common good the last place I'd put my money is in the Federal Government's hands.




You do realize that the federal government is over a million civilian employees running the country, right?  Most of what it does is necessary in an administrative sense.  The money's not all just wasted.  Although for me, the biggest elephant in the room is a Department of Defense that gets over half a trillion dollars every year.  Cut that some and there are very few remaining budgetary issues (discretionary).

And Trump says we need to do what with the military?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23698500 - 10/01/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, Communism in practice does do that.  He wasn't wrong, though.  Capitalism does too.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23723868 - 10/09/16 10:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I guess Trump had his own Aleppo moment.  Do either of the conservative candidates know anything about what's going on in the Middle East?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: starfire_xes] * 3
    #23725860 - 10/10/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You're absolutely right, U.S. foreign policy over the last sixty years is a sick joke.  Bush and Obama, and many others, are definitely guilty parties.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Webster10] * 1
    #23741995 - 10/16/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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This isnt directed at Eminence, but do Trump supporters have any explanation of why theyre voting for him that doesnt involve the word Hillary?



Yup. He has more experience as an executive than any other candidate.




You can't run the government like you run a business.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244]
    #23742324 - 10/16/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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This isnt directed at Eminence, but do Trump supporters have any explanation of why theyre voting for him that doesnt involve the word Hillary?



Yup. He has more experience as an executive than any other candidate.




You can't run the government like you run a business.



And why not? The government is like a non-profit business, the accounting for not-for-profit and governmental entities is very similar. The people who buy and sell for our country either have no idea what they are doing, or more likely, are in the back pocket of those who they contract with.




Well for one thing you can't fire anyone, except maybe your cabinet.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott] * 1
    #23742508 - 10/16/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Or maybe people feel that a presidential candidate shouldn't be engaging in sexual assault.  How can all these Trump-heads dismiss it so easily?  Jesus, I thought these were evangelical Christians for fuck's sake.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
    #23742603 - 10/16/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Why should what Clinton did excuse Trump?  Why should what Clinton did have anything to do with Trump?  Bill did it so it's okay if Trump did too?  Doesn't make a lot of sense.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: amp244] * 2
    #23753222 - 10/19/16 08:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hillary seemed sufficiently presidential; Trump seemed like a bloviating whimpering adolescent.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott] * 5
    #23753299 - 10/19/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ah, Trump supporters.  Does it bother you that your base is so stupid?  Buying what has been fact-checked at 92% false?  You guys honestly don't seem that dumb, but you have to admit that the base is pretty fucking stupid.

Y'all are sore losers, anyway.  Trump can't win.  When Utah isn't red anymore you know something is wrong somewhere.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23763979 - 10/23/16 11:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

The Bay of Pigs, CIA attacks on Cuba, and Vietnam were not the "right things".  There was no conspiracy to kill him, by the way.  Do you think such a thing could have remained secret all this time?  Nothing coming out after 53 years = lone assassin.


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #23769291 - 10/25/16 08:57 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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    You can't blame the parties as much as the stupid fucking population.

   





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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
    #23778550 - 10/27/16 09:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You guys do realize that national elections are actually conducted at the state and local level, right?  Who exactly is doing the conspiring, and how?


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Re: Official Hillary vs Trump Debate Thread. [Re: Great Scott]
    #23778619 - 10/27/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Election fraud?  You guys are so full of shit.  Trump can get y'all to believe anything, can't he.  Well I mean, come on, he's fact checked at 8% true.  Pure gold!


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