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A guess at the history of life on Earth.
#23677707 - 09/25/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Humans are an opened system not a closed system, the brain is an open system of different lobes that each faculty different functions and roles.
We know that we as humans are the end product of over 4 billion years of evolution but many still ask the question of how did life start?
We all have our opinions and I have mine.
Life as we know it began over 4 billion years ago when pools of organic chemicals or 'primordial soup' were struck by a meteor that sent chunks of the soup into the ocean. I think this caused the emergence of life when the organic carbons of the primordial soup were crystallised within graphite crystals that landed near thermal vents to provide energy for the self replication of nucleotides.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23677755 - 09/25/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sudly said: Humans are an opened system not a closed system, the brain is an open system of different lobes that each faculty different functions and roles.
We know that we as humans are the end product of over 4 billion years of evolution but many still ask the question of how did life start?
We all have our opinions and I have mine.
Life as we know it began over 4 billion years ago when pools of organic chemicals or 'primordial soup' were struck by a meteor that sent chunks of the soup into the ocean. I think this caused the emergence of life when the organic carbons of the primordial soup were crystallised within graphite crystals that landed near thermal vents to provide energy for the self replication of nucleotides.

we are not the "end product"
we are the current model/version
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: demiu5]
#23677783 - 09/25/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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*We are the current end product of an evolutionary branch.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23677842 - 09/25/16 08:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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How do you know that? The future seems uncertain. Evolution could continue indefinitely. Right?
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23677891 - 09/25/16 08:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not saying evolution won't continue, I'm saying that you and all of your family are the end product of an ancestry tree as far as it has come so far. This means that you and your family can continue to spread your family tree but the end product of your ancestry is everyone in the family who is currently alive.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23677899 - 09/25/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Understood.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: DividedQuantum]
#23678292 - 09/25/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Okay, first off the birth of earth isn't a theory, however the birth of the universe is still in theory. Life on earth has indefinitely started from "primordial soup" and organic chemicals, and the things that took place after that. Now about the evolutionary aspect. The one and ONLY reason ANY species evolves is to better adapt to their environment. In many, many species evolution has ceased. Simply because there is no use for it. Some examples would be most of the weird creatures in the deep sea that we know about, but mostly hasn't even been explored yet. Also an ancient fish species named the coelacanths, some still in existence. Now i know i have only given aquatic examples. I cannot think of a specific mammalian example of the top of my head in terms of specific species. There are many birds many insects that have also stopped evolving.
With this being said,Give me one reason homosapiens need to continue evolving? The earth temperate fluctuation has nothing to do with this since the earths temperature has fluctuated through millions of years along with us humans. How about something else? I would be absolutely surprised for someone to give me an actual reason for us homosapiens to keep evolving, and also a reason we would not continue to thrive if we had ceased to evolve, that i could not justify.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23678314 - 09/25/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The 'birth' of life on Earth is still a mystery. The birth of the Earth isn't(collapsed dust cloud) and the birth of the universe obviously still is a mystery for another discussion.
Homosapiens don't need to continue evolving but with the way our reproduction works it's likely that if humans are still around in a million years time then our morphology will have differed.
The best reason for us to try and evolve socially, economically and environmentally is to try and reduce the impacts of climate change because the threat is real to anyone who isn't willfully ignorant.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23679362 - 09/26/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Name another species that has evolved for social, economic, and environmental conservation reasons. however I completely understand that homosapiens are the most complex and intelligant species. The closest thing to us would be some sort of monkey species. And none have evolved For any of these reasons.
Why would the way we reproduce effect our morphology? Many species re produce sexually and that hasn't done anything to morphology. Now it is true that if we could keep crossing races we could eventually form another race that look different, and could even eventually be hard to differentiate between specific races. However i dont think this will happen in our lifetime. But this is because of the way our sperm cells transfer genetic information over.
Okay this climate change thing. The earth climate has significantly swayed over it's existence and history, and right now is in the process of doing so again. If you dont believe me, look into earth's climate history and that should instantly change your opinion. Again however, what we do to the environment is absolutely not helping at all. We are slowly destroying the earths resources. But thats for another time
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23680611 - 09/26/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I wouldn't say they evolved for economic reasons but dolphins, great apes and even dogs have evolved the capability for great social skills and a complex intelligence.
When two people reproduce their child has a mixture of their DNA, do this for a a million years and eventually the morphology of the offspring will differ to the adults, e.g. being taller, wider, thinner, darker skin etc. In essence all I'm saying is that reproduction causes physiological differences between offspring and their parents.
I do believe the Earths climate has a natural cycle but that natural cycle has obviously been broken and is now increasing dramatically due to human introduced green house gases.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23681310 - 09/26/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since homosapien history we have been exceptional at social and communicative skills. We have evolved a tiny bit in that aspect such as more complex linguistic structure in languages.
That graph proves my previous post to be correct. As it only shows up to year 1500, at least thats what i think it says its hard to see. Again as i stated in the previous post the earth has gone through drastic climate changed, we are in the middle of one right now. These changes occur through MILLIONS of years on earth. Not hundreds nor thousands.
I know how the reproduction cycle occurs. In the previous post i stated that through reproducing you can create a new race in a sense. Meaning people will look different. However This is only on a physiological stand point.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23681371 - 09/26/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do you recognize anthropogenic climate change? Human activity is creating an exacerbated greenhouse effect that would not be as severe through natural cycles. Do you deny this?
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23681380 - 09/26/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Dmt_psilocybin said: That graph proves my previous post to be correct. As it only shows up to year 1500, at least thats what i think it says its hard to see.
It's 1850 -- roughly coincident with the industrial revolution and the beginning of major emissions from the burning of coal and wood.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23681546 - 09/26/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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These changes are supposed to happen over millions of years but as you can see in the graph they are happening over the last few decades.
The industrial revolution began in 1760 but it wasn't until later years in 1850 that they began keeping records of the climate.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Dmt_psilocybin] 1
#23682055 - 09/27/16 02:45 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Neil deGrasse Tyson Series Cosmos has a episode explaining climate change you might find engaging Dmt psy. Available on Netflix fantastic series.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Jaegar]
#23682068 - 09/27/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Very true, Neil's Cosmos is a great series.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23682311 - 09/27/16 06:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ranks among animal societies exist. Study wolves and apes.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: nuentoter]
#23682323 - 09/27/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No one's disagreeing with you
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23682636 - 09/27/16 09:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Edited by laughingdog (09/27/16 11:42 AM)
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: laughingdog]
#23684439 - 09/27/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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another wild card: 1st baby born with genetics from 3 people we are not in Kansas anymore
http://www.upi.com/Health_News/2016/09/27/1st-baby-born-with-DNA-from-3-parents/1651475020827/
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-28986843
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=baby+born+with+genetics+from+3+people&t=h_&ia=web
I wonder when someone will wake up and harvest some DNA from one of the samples of Einstein's brain. Many labs have samples. Time for some better Sci-fi movies, or a least some new plots.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: sudly]
#23684867 - 09/27/16 10:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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sudly said: No one's disagreeing with you 
Sorry that was meant as reply for DMT psych
I think human evolution will continue to quicken as global diversity continues mix the dice on genetic wild cards and we increasingly effect the environment.
Something like a nuclear war or even a few more Fukushima disasters could exacerbate the issue. Watched the documentary of Chernobyl not that long ago, fucking freaky wolves. Curious what Chernobyl wolves crossbred with other uninfected wolves would produce after a thousand life cycles.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: nuentoter]
#23686278 - 09/28/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ive watched all of the cosmos episodes on netflix very interesting. As i stated previously what we as humans are doing to the environment is not helping. I do agree that we are slowly destroying earths precious resources. However i do believe we are going through a natural climate change as well. I don't think that it's possible for this to drastically change the climate as much as you are saying.
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Re: A guess at the history of life on Earth. [Re: Dmt_psilocybin]
#23686308 - 09/28/16 11:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey i'm just expressing my opinion. If none of you agree with me that's perfectly fine. To me there isn't a valid enough argument iv'e yet heard to disprove the things iv'e said. If someone replies with something to actually prove me wrong i'll gladly reply. Dmt_psi out
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