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Need Electrical Help? 2
#23677604 - 09/25/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you do, feel free to post your problem and I'll do the best I can to help.
I'm an experienced journey-man commercial electrician and can easily help with residential problems.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: Kenetic]
#23752325 - 10/19/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just bumping this. I am also a journeyman wireman and would be happy to help.Hey kenetic are you Union? Forgive me if that's too personal.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: Cajun love]
#23752500 - 10/19/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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No I'm in IEC. It's similar to union though. I don't think too many people visit this forum so it might be a while before anyone needs advice
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: Kenetic]
#23753702 - 10/20/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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thats a pretty bitchen offer... thanks fellas.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: rackem]
#23760042 - 10/22/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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There are a few of us around. I'm always happy to lend a hand whenever possible. My specialty is PV system interconnections.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: idiotek]
#23761778 - 10/22/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice. I do commercial lighting controls mainly.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: Kenetic]
#23765827 - 10/24/16 01:34 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I had a question about wiring a 240 volt plug for a hot tub.
So, do u have to wire it both parallel and in series in order to get the right power output?
Cause hot tubs require about 40 amps AND 240 volts, while most circuit breakers are 120 volts and have 20 amps.
Confused on the wiring at the circuit breaker box
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Parallel only. You need a double pole breaker and special receptacle, most likely a 6 or 8 AWG 3wire cable w/ground, with red and black as your L1, L2, and white as your Neutral, and bare ground as your equipment ground. The Red/Black would go on each terminal of the breaker/receptacle and, depending on whether or not your load center is the common point of bonding equipment grounds and neutrals, you can probably land both the neutral and ground on the neutral/ground bar in there. You'll see what previous people have done - not always right but it usually works. I prefer new construction services to be built using an enclosure for the meter base that has a built-in disconnect and extra spaces so you actually have to split grounds and neutrals in the panel the way it should be done..
Sounds like you might want to get some help with this one.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: idiotek]
#23765946 - 10/24/16 04:39 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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alright thanks.
Never knew u need a 8 guage. I figured it was two wires going to the one 240 volt outlet, using the typical ROMEX 12 gauge yellow wire. Now i know, need just one thick ass 8 guage wire. Thanks man.
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Make sure you use 2 pole breaker with the correct ampacity, you don't want to take any chances when it comes to water. That way if there is a problem with one circuit it will trip both circuits at the same time. Keeping the ground and neutral separated until the panel is a good safety measure as well. Don't ever take chances just to get something to work, it's far too easy work with electricity in a safe manner.
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LogicaL Chaos said: I had a question about wiring a 240 volt plug for a hot tub.
So, do u have to wire it both parallel and in series in order to get the right power output?
Cause hot tubs require about 40 amps AND 240 volts, while most circuit breakers are 120 volts and have 20 amps.
Confused on the wiring at the circuit breaker box 
You will need a double pole 40 amp breaker and you will need 8 gauge wire. Probably 8/3 because I'm sure it will have a neutral. Does it come with a cord and is there a gfci built into the cord? If not than you will want to get a gfi breaker. You also need a disconnect within sight, but more than 5 feet away.
I'm not sure on this, but I think anything metal within 5' of the tub will have to be bonded with a solid 8 gauge wire.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: Kenetic]
#23928422 - 12/15/16 05:59 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Great thread.
So, last night I finally made time to pour some dishes. When I unplugged my all american 75x the plug and cord were really hot to the touch. This is very concerning to me. What should I begin to do to verify that everything is safe to run?? Thanks.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: fungus_tao]
#23928787 - 12/15/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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fungus_tao said: Great thread.
So, last night I finally made time to pour some dishes. When I unplugged my all american 75x the plug and cord were really hot to the touch. This is very concerning to me. What should I begin to do to verify that everything is safe to run?? Thanks.
That unit pulls nearly 14 amps. You should have it on its own circuit which better have a proper 15 amp breaker just to be sure. Looking at the picture of the cord it doesn't look that beefy. Plug it into a GFI if you want perhaps some added safety. Cords do get hot, but really hot is when they catch fire like I had one do a while back. Definitely plug it directly into your plug that is hopefully grounded. Do not use any added extension cord.
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OK, so I've got some more information now. I also talked to a general contractor and got some useful advice. So basically, the 75x draws 13.75 amps, and has a 1650 watt heating element. The cord on the appliance is 14/3. The breaker I had it plugged into the other night is a 15 amp breaker. I understand that this pretty much pushes that breaker right to it's upper limit. The contractor friend I talked to suggested I use it in the kitchen on a 20 amp breaker. So, next time I use it I will try that and see if it still over heats. I guess if I want to run this in the same room as my flow hood I'm going to have a dedicated outlet put in for it. I don't understand how people run 2-4 of these sometimes in their operations without doing some type of dedicated wiring.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: fungus_tao]
#23929618 - 12/15/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dont see why it would help if you use a 20 amp breaker, the device is still going to use the same amount of power. Maybe that particular model isn't meant to operate for hours? I would personally change the s.o. cord to 12 or even 10 guage, that'll lower the resistance so the cord won't get hot anymore, without affecting how it operates.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: fungus_tao]
#23929761 - 12/15/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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fungus_tao said: OK, so I've got some more information now. I also talked to a general contractor and got some useful advice. So basically, the 75x draws 13.75 amps, and has a 1650 watt heating element. The cord on the appliance is 14/3. The breaker I had it plugged into the other night is a 15 amp breaker. I understand that this pretty much pushes that breaker right to it's upper limit. The contractor friend I talked to suggested I use it in the kitchen on a 20 amp breaker. So, next time I use it I will try that and see if it still over heats. I guess if I want to run this in the same room as my flow hood I'm going to have a dedicated outlet put in for it. I don't understand how people run 2-4 of these sometimes in their operations without doing some type of dedicated wiring.
OK you want it on a 15 amp breaker with nothing else on that circuit. Not your flow hood, nothing. It's not the outlet that matters, it's the size of the wire going to your panel you need to be worried about. You could have five outlets that all tie into one common wire and plugging stuff separately will overload your breaker for sure. You don't want to overload that wire by plugging more into a 20 amp breaker, and you sure don't want to "upgrade" to a 20 amp breaker. That's what circuit breakers are for, to pop when you overload.
The reason you pull 13.75 amps is because it's on 120 volt. If you were at 240 volt you would pull 1/2 the amps or a little under 7. This is why in grow rooms normally you want to wire up to 240 volt before you burn your house down for reals, like you are moving towards with gang plugs on one circuit. The answer is that "they" do dedicated circuits that match the amperage and the voltage and get the appropriate sized wire from point a to point b. 240 volt can use smaller wire vs. 120 volt but still needs to be properly sized. You can run 60 amp breaker if you have a big enough wire but don't try that at 120 volt it'll be monstrous. Hence why ranges dryers hw heaters all run on 240 volt. You sterilizer is a pretty big load and probably should be run on the 240. OK sorry to ramble.
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Ok, so I can now confirm that the breaker that it was plugged into when the cord was over heating, that breaker controls 9 receptacle outlets and 2 overhead lights. So, actually my iMac was on the same breaker, as well as the two overhead lights, and a t5 light for another project all on the same breaker.
The contractor I spoke to earlier today said it would be safer to run it from the kitchen island because it has 12 gauge wiring and can handle more amps.
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like you are moving towards with gang plugs on one circuit.
I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm also not sure how to proceed with using this appliance or if it can even be done safely at all.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: fungus_tao]
#23930100 - 12/15/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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fungus_tao said: Ok, so I can now confirm that the breaker that it was plugged into when the cord was over heating, that breaker controls 9 receptacle outlets and 2 overhead lights. So, actually my iMac was on the same breaker, as well as the two overhead lights, and a t5 light for another project all on the same breaker.
The contractor I spoke to earlier today said it would be safer to run it from the kitchen island because it has 12 gauge wiring and can handle more amps.
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like you are moving towards with gang plugs on one circuit.
I don't quite understand what you mean. I'm also not sure how to proceed with using this appliance or if it can even be done safely at all. 
Well what I meant was what was going on with all those plugs and the overhead lights on the same breaker. It sounds like the kitchen circuit would be a lot safer, I'm assuming not much is on the same circuit? By circuit I don't mean the plug, I mean all the outlets. For instance, you wouldn't want to run a microwave at the same time they pull big amps too. 12 gauge should be good for your 13.75 amp load from what memory serves and having the 20 amp breaker shouldn't be an issue either with 12 gauge. Depends a little on how far it goes but should be OK. Your cord may still get hot but as long as it doesn't ignite you should be good to go. There's hot, and then there's crazy overload hot. My vacuum cleaner cord gets pretty hot, but that's just how it goes. Also, those outlets are rated for 15 amps so definitely don't plug anything into the same outlet. Anyway, if you do pop a breaker you just flip it back after the load drops, but 20 amp minus 13.75 only gives you 6.25 amps maybe you can run a light or two type thing.
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OK, well now it's at least starting to sound like I have a viable option. I'll check the breaker for the kitchen island again tomorrow and see what else is on it. Then I would just have to be careful not to run any other appliances on that same breaker. That shouldn't be a problem for now. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: Need Electrical Help? [Re: fungus_tao]
#23930374 - 12/15/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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fungus_tao said: OK, well now it's at least starting to sound like I have a viable option. I'll check the breaker for the kitchen island again tomorrow and see what else is on it. Then I would just have to be careful not to run any other appliances on that same breaker. That shouldn't be a problem for now. Thanks for the clarification.
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