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Graft soil has mold!
    #23676725 - 09/25/16 01:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So I recently bought a nice little cereus Peruvianus Montrose from one of the local box stores... Its a little gem and has a million little heads in it... I had a bunch of pereskiopsis laying around n said screw it... Went for the plunge with a graft. Well long story short, she took and seems to be doing nicely... Yet here's the kicker... I went to look at the base of the container its planted in,  only to discover some whitish fuzzy mold growing thru the drainage holes :shocked:

Soooo, I'm left wondering what I should do from here on. I honestly don't recall what the soil mix was for the this particular container. As all my Peres have been transplanted at diff times and I typically just make do with the little I have. But do y'all have any suggestions as to where I should go from here? I don't want to shock it too much and killing it is out of the question... So I could be of use for some guidance here... I know theres a lot of cacti gurus in this special corner of the earth, so can someone shed a little light my way?

I'm pretty stoked to see where this project is going, as Im super new to grafting and to have a little Montrose brain coming off the single stem of a pere really has me pumped up and inteuiged.

One last question, once the graft took, how long should I leave her in the humidity dome? Okay to take her out now? Cool to just fully expose her to regular atmosphere or should it be a gradual process of a week or two? So far she's well out of direct light and i set it all up on the 19th. I discovered she took yesterday but it could've come sooner.

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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23676741 - 09/25/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

2 words. Hydrogen peroxide 3% full strength. Well thats like 5 but it works wonders. You could soak the pots at 4 to 1 ratio or go at the white fuzz with a dropper full strength. Works wonders man.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23676748 - 09/25/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Repot into a nice gritty well draining mix.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23676775 - 09/25/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Don't do anything. Soil biology is key to a healthy soil.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23677320 - 09/25/16 04:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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2 words. Hydrogen peroxide 3% full strength. Well thats like 5 but it works wonders. You could soak the pots at 4 to 1 ratio or go at the white fuzz with a dropper full strength. Works wonders man.




:whathesaid: I use it in a spritser bottle.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: El Torcho]
    #23677383 - 09/25/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmm, got three arrows pointing me in different directions.  I got a treat it, a beat it and a leave it... Hmm, :strokebeard: kind of dont know what to do. Ferrel is a familiar face to me in EG and I've seen his cacti selections... Yet to the latter, the mold doesn't seem to be bugging anything, and the tiny pot was intended to be a short lived residency for the little girl. Awhh shit. How about i treat it to zap whatever is there and there and then a repot? Yet the soil I'm using MIGHT (key word) be some juicy organic mix that's suppose to have a myco element to it for bioavailability regarding the plants system of probiotics... Or it might just be a peat/earthworm casting soil with some plite and coco added... Man I need to get note organized... to be young and stupid ehh :grin: but shit, do cacti even know how to utilize a myco element... They are plants but typically theyre from the deserts and how much fungus does a person see out there (unless its clandestine, dungeon style from some hippies)?

Okay, well what about the humidity dome? Cool to remove it since the graft took? I figure that mold is only getting worse min there...

After saying all that... I'm not really cool with a mold bloom in my house. I'm gearing up for an oyster mush grow and  my place is so small already. So whatever, I'll do the zap and repot (lipas got to give at least one of you a headache :hehehe: ). I'm assuming the other three parts of that solution is water and how long woiukd you reccomend doing a soak for? Promise it won't hurt the roots at all?

And I'm sorry I'm new to all this :grin:


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23679999 - 09/26/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You sure it isn't just roots?


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: saythatagain]
    #23682345 - 09/27/16 07:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah positive. Upon closer look, it seriously looks like a mycelial cake :gc:  :gc:  :gc:  :gc:

Okay so here's a quick update... So I made up a solution of one part h202 and three parts water... I poured it through thee top of the soil and allowed the run off to collect in a little cup/bowl like container... Looked at the mold and then saw that it had colonized all the way through The container with vallies poking up on the top soil :facepalm: at this point I knew I either had to soak for quite a while and would likely need to move it to another container asap... But of course I had no time before I was due at work (rush, rush, rush... Fuck, fuck, fuck :thumbdown: )

So I went to work and stepped outside for my late night after work CIG .. I see that one of the ferrel cats knocked my baby  down on the ground. I was so pissed! :grrr: I was swearing off feeding them and thinking of buying water balloons to let them pay for their crime through pain, fear and hunger... But since I just woke up I Dunno I guess I can let it go. Anyway I took a close look and saw that the graft still was attached. Decided to work with what I had amd see what could be done... I got my spray bottle with just RO h20 and.
A pair of gloves on and worked damn near all old soil off... Then in a shot glass I used the 1:3 ratio again of h202:h20 and soaked the root mass for several minutes... Saw some nice little tiny effervescence coming off the root tails and tips... :super: then I followed suite with straight water and now I have it laying on a paper towel to dry up for a day or two to let the roots heal up Sum since there was some breakage during the water sprayer step.

Where should I go from here? Does this sound okay up until now? Is three days enough time to let roots heal before I put back into soil? Or should I just put it in dry soil now? I really like this project and would rather not lose it if able. Thanks y'all, I'm happy I have a circle of ppl to converse with on this issue :hug:

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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23682566 - 09/27/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You killed off a bunch of your soil life. Not good . . . :whatdidyoudo:

I can post some pics later of the weird things I got growing on my soil. Foam fungus, yeasts, alagaes, even mushrooms sprout up from time to time. A healthy and diverse soil microbiological mix makes for a healthy soil. A white soil fungus is nothing to worry about.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: El Torcho]
    #23683036 - 09/27/16 12:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah? Even in cacti/succulent soils? If it was a potted tree or some veggies, I wouldn't have been too Concerned. I've noticed the benefits of having a myco element present in soil mixes but everything I've come across advises against fungus for succulents and cacti. I've seen mention of fungicides quite often regarding those typeof plants. Plus its going to be an indoor plant for a few weeks and I'm close to starting an oyster mushroom grow... The last thing I need is competing mold spores flying around my apartment unnecessarily.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: El Torcho]
    #23683052 - 09/27/16 12:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You killed off a bunch of your soil life. Not good . . . :whatdidyoudo:

I can post some pics later of the weird things I got growing on my soil. Foam fungus, yeasts, alagaes, even mushrooms sprout up from time to time. A healthy and diverse soil microbiological mix makes for a healthy soil. A white soil fungus is nothing to worry about.



Chill man. He can easily make it back up. If there was nasties those died. If the goodies died too, like i said he can ammend to start life again. No need to be all alarmist and thinking its gonna somehow die or what not.

Add organic again with some of that bacteria and you should be fine.

What you seem to describe in thw first post seems like cobweb mold? I had the same stuff in my pot with jourds in it. So i h2o2'd that bitch.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23683087 - 09/27/16 12:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks holmes. I have some organic soil with some perlite a d pumice made up already. Debating whether to add some bone meal and crab shell compost or not. I had to do something, it looked like a PF cake:lol: the scent of fungus was very strong, and my oyster mushroom Terrarium would be set up literally three feet away. So it seemed like the best move. Okay the plant is just sitting out now, seems all dried up and safe... Is it cool to put it in a dry soil mix now or should I wait another day or so for the broken roots to heal up? Also does it need a dry soil or can I put it in a moist soil?

Can't believe how tough this little guy is :super:


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23683171 - 09/27/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pereskiopsis can be repotted and watered immediately. They are not finnicky at all work with even the most noob of growers.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23683401 - 09/27/16 02:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

  You got rid of some mould - good for you. 
Most of us here tend nowadays to use more gritty soil mixtures that will not even support mould growth.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23683408 - 09/27/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Beautiful.. Thanks a million ferrel! They def are some tuff little puppies:biggrin:

I know he's going to pull through, I just know it:sunny:


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23683435 - 09/27/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Spanish, can you point Me in a good direction for a good pereskiopsis graft soil mix? I'm been making due with what I have, but once I start grafting trichocereus seedlings I want to make sure in working with something really good. I know its prob an annoying question but could you help a brother out? I have some pumice, coco, perlite, bone meal, verm, crab meal and even some blood meal around... The soil I have on hand is called the 'euro mix' and its a local mix of earthworm castings and peat... I hear peat is bad news with succulents and cacti though So I've been trying to hold off with using it. Suggestions ?


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23689225 - 09/29/16 03:08 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm with El Torcho. Sounds like excellent soil imo


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Oggy]
    #23689309 - 09/29/16 05:23 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm with El Torcho. Sounds like excellent soil imo




Yeah well ET is rather a maverick in these parts - amongst us boring old farts.  He will have you pissing on your lophs next !!


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
    #23689317 - 09/29/16 05:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Hey Spanish, can you point Me in a good direction for a good pereskiopsis graft soil mix? I'm been making due with what I have, but once I start grafting trichocereus seedlings I want to make sure in working with something really good. I know its prob an annoying question but could you help a brother out? I have some pumice, coco, perlite, bone meal, verm, crab meal and even some blood meal around... The soil I have on hand is called the 'euro mix' and its a local mix of earthworm castings and peat... I hear peat is bad news with succulents and cacti though So I've been trying to hold off with using it. Suggestions ?





I would suggest 2 measures of top soil, 1 measure of wormcasts, half a measure of kelp meal (optional if you don´t have it - substitute blood meal - or crab meal??) - 5 measures of coarse grit.  That will do you fine.


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Re: Graft soil has mold! [Re: Spanishfly]
    #23689334 - 09/29/16 05:45 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm with El Torcho. Sounds like excellent soil imo




Yeah well ET is rather a maverick in these parts - amongst us boring old farts.  He will have you pissing on your lophs next !!




No pissing man. Just lightly diluted pee. :whatever:


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