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LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences
    #23676554 - 09/25/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd tend to lean towards Dark Star's proposal on the issue but my experiences are leaning towards that impurities in the synthesis MAY be active in the body.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: dixienormous] * 6
    #23676568 - 09/25/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:facepalm:

So many threads about this. So many times it's been explained.


Last month I went to work on 1.5 mgs

People have watched me drink vials before and I was functioning fine the entire time.

Their back hurts because they have bad posture all day everyday then they eat L and get a bit uncomfortable and it causes them to put dot together.


It used to be "The strychnine in LSD makes your back hurt"  Now its impure crystal?

No it's lazy ass hippies that eat like shit and don't exercise.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: dixienormous] * 3
    #23676577 - 09/25/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, once it gets below 70% it turns in to DOC, that's why there is so much DOC blotter out there, it's just old paper. DOC is known for vasoconstriction, custie member Zombi2 toed the line and ate too much. He paid the iron price of toes. Never again will he scratch his leg with his foot.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676637 - 09/25/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Even if iso and lumi LSD aren't active on their own, I do find it plausible that they could bind at SERT and prevent LSD from from binding at those receptors or have other effects in combination with the active isomer. This has never been studied, and probably never will be. Who knows.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: nowhere] * 5
    #23676713 - 09/25/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If it's less than 50% pure, a friend told me he knows a guy that went to school with someone who's cousin's little sister's BFF's boyfriend ate just 1 dose and now he thinks he's a glass of orange juice and won't let anyone touch him because he thinks he will spill.

I trust my friend 100% on this.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23676737 - 09/25/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My mom told me she knew a guy like that too

Said his nickname was Carrot-head and he got to thinking he was a glass of orange juice


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676792 - 09/25/16 01:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, once it gets below 70% it turns in to DOC, that's why there is so much DOC blotter out there, it's just old paper. DOC is known for vasoconstriction, custie member Zombi2 toed the line and ate too much. He paid the iron price of toes. Never again will he scratch his leg with his foot.



No fucking way that LSD turns into DOC, no matter the % of its purity.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: LSDollar] * 3
    #23676814 - 09/25/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: LSDollar] * 3
    #23676816 - 09/25/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes it does, for the same reasons 70% MDMA will turn into Methylone.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676896 - 09/25/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, once it gets below 70% it turns in to DOC, that's why there is so much DOC blotter out there, it's just old paper. DOC is known for vasoconstriction, custie member Zombi2 toed the line and ate too much. He paid the iron price of toes. Never again will he scratch his leg with his foot.




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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23676914 - 09/25/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Eat 350ug of 60% LSD and compare it with 200ug of 99% and get back to me. Most people will be able to notice the difference. I know this for a fact.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23676916 - 09/25/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

1mg 60% would be similar to 600ug 99%. Am i right?


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: LSDollar]
    #23676921 - 09/25/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Chrck the correction. 60%*


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23676923 - 09/25/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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1mg 60% would be similar to 600ug 99%. Am i right?




Yep. Not even a fair comparison.

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Yes it does, for the same reasons 70% MDMA will turn into Methylone.




This is also false. If you had any education in organic chemistry, you would know this.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23676926 - 09/25/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

His comment was tongue in cheek. The reasons they degrade into those chemicals are definitely the same, he was correct about that much. :lol:


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23676930 - 09/25/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't care about talking about this publcly because I dont deal, but I used to know a family with a chemist and they had a ton of low quality 60% blotters that hardly circulated.  Whenever they made the high purity stuff it would come and go in a flash. The effects between the different purities were obviously different, to many people.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: LSDollar] * 3
    #23676937 - 09/25/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, once it gets below 70% it turns in to DOC, that's why there is so much DOC blotter out there, it's just old paper. DOC is known for vasoconstriction, custie member Zombi2 toed the line and ate too much. He paid the iron price of toes. Never again will he scratch his leg with his foot.



No fucking way that LSD turns into DOC, no matter the % of its purity.



Well, I am here to educate you. There are several ways to convert LSD in to the psychedelic amphetamine, DOC. First is through natural degradation, next if you leave your lsd out under moonlight beside orgonite crystals(very effective) and also an extraction using patchouli and naptha.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #23676954 - 09/25/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't care about talking about this publcly because I dont deal, but I used to know a family with a chemist and they had a ton of low quality 60% blotters that hardly circulated.  Whenever they made the high purity stuff it would come and go in a flash. The effects between the different purities were obviously different, to many people.




Im a chemist. This is all confirmation bias/anecdotal evidence. Until there is clinical proof between identified chemical "A" and biological response "B", then these threads will continue to go nowhere.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676956 - 09/25/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't believe so.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23676970 - 09/25/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't care about talking about this publcly because I dont deal, but I used to know a family with a chemist and they had a ton of low quality 60% blotters that hardly circulated.  Whenever they made the high purity stuff it would come and go in a flash. The effects between the different purities were obviously different, to many people.




Im a chemist. This is all confirmation bias/anecdotal evidence. Until there is clinical proof between identified chemical "A" and biological response "B", then these threads will continue to go nowhere.




There's nothing wrong with anecdotal evicence if it's not meqnt to be taken as absolute proof. But I agree that this will continue to go nowhere.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676980 - 09/25/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, once it gets below 70% it turns in to DOC, that's why there is so much DOC blotter out there, it's just old paper. DOC is known for vasoconstriction, custie member Zombi2 toed the line and ate too much. He paid the iron price of toes. Never again will he scratch his leg with his foot.



No fucking way that LSD turns into DOC, no matter the % of its purity.



Well, I am here to educate you. There are several ways to convert LSD in to the psychedelic amphetamine, DOC. First is through natural degradation, next if you leave your lsd out under moonlight beside orgonite crystals(very effective) and also an extraction using patchouli and naptha.




Toothpaste tek?


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #23677024 - 09/25/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm a chemist as well. I take food and convert it to poop, then huff the poop. Jenkem. If you let the jenkem stay in the balloon long enough, it converts to food grade nitrous. Kinda full circle.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23677051 - 09/25/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What's the conversion from food to shit?

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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #23677079 - 09/25/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Please tell me I don't need to waste my evening typing an explanation about how LSD is LSD & the only difference between purities is potency, and there are no qualitative differences again. I'm really not in the mood.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23677084 - 09/25/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Eat 350ug of 60% LSD and compare it with 200ug of 99% and get back to me. Most people will be able to notice the difference. I know this for a fact.





Every LSD trip is different. Your mind is NEVER EVER in the same place.  When you take LSD it amplifies your mindstate, warps it, twists it, OF COURSE there is a difference. Every. Single. Time.  It doesn't matter what crystal it is.

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I don't care about talking about this publcly because I dont deal, but I used to know a family with a chemist and they had a ton of low quality 60% blotters that hardly circulated.  Whenever they made the high purity stuff it would come and go in a flash. The effects between the different purities were obviously different, to many people.





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If it's less than 50% pure, a friend told me he knows a guy that went to school with someone who's cousin's little sister's BFF's boyfriend ate just 1 dose and now he thinks he's a glass of orange juice and won't let anyone touch him because he thinks he will spill.

I trust my friend 100% on this.




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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #23677100 - 09/25/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about.




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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23677173 - 09/25/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yes, once it gets below 70% it turns in to DOC, that's why there is so much DOC blotter out there, it's just old paper. DOC is known for vasoconstriction, custie member Zombi2 toed the line and ate too much. He paid the iron price of toes. Never again will he scratch his leg with his foot.



No fucking way that LSD turns into DOC, no matter the % of its purity.



Well, I am here to educate you. There are several ways to convert LSD in to the psychedelic amphetamine, DOC. First is through natural degradation, next if you leave your lsd out under moonlight beside orgonite crystals(very effective) and also an extraction using patchouli and naptha.



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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: dixienormous]
    #23677177 - 09/25/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Vandago, the reason people's backs ache when they're on LSD isn't because of "bad posture", although it can contribute to it. The reason is because of vasoconstriction. Usually the neck and lower stomache are most effected in specific


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Sheekle]
    #23677184 - 09/25/16 04:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also giving urself a back massage on LSD feels sooooooo goooooood

I always do it during the comeup, releases a ton of tension


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    #23677193 - 09/25/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

how do you give yourself a back massage? do you have one of those massager sticks



also vandago stop wasting so much acid why would u eat 15 doses before work that's retarded u shouldn't be proud of having such a high tolerance get it together


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23677199 - 09/25/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I have absolutely no clue what I'm talking about.




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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23677211 - 09/25/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

>Every LSD trip is different. Your mind is NEVER EVER in the same place.  When you take LSD it amplifies your mindstate, warps it, twists it, OF COURSE there is a difference. Every. Single. Time.  It doesn't matter what crystal it is.

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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] * 3
    #23677228 - 09/25/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No it fucking doesn't. You have no idea what you're talking about. God damnit, I'm sick & fucking tired of having to constantly dispel this same myth. I'm not typing it up again. I'll dig up another post I made & copy/paste that. Take a seat; class is in session.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23677246 - 09/25/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Calm your horses there bud. The evidence is on my side. With every drug I've tried, higher purity = better experience. Simple. Fucking. Math.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23677251 - 09/25/16 04:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Take a seat; class is in session.




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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23677268 - 09/25/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd like to see this evidence.  I'm very interested.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
    #23677298 - 09/25/16 04:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Anecdotal evidence coupled with the fact that with any drug, higher purity = better experience, is more substantive evidence than what I've seen come from your side of the argument. All you guys got is your 20k postcount posturing.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] * 3
    #23677302 - 09/25/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Calm your horses there bud. The evidence is on my side. With every drug I've tried, higher purity = better experience. Simple. Fucking. Math.




No, the evidence is not on your side.  It's on mine, because I'm right. Now sit back, and learn. This is a post I made on another forum. I've made countless other posts with the same information all over the shroomery. LSD is an long term area of interest. I've spent over a decade researching it, taking it, and spent a few years distributing it....wound up high on the chain. I moved on from that work years ago, and my life path is very different these days. But I'm an expert on LSD. I defer to folks like Dr. Nichols of course. But LSD is an area an expertise for me, and I do not tolerate misinformation like this dirty acid/clean acid bullshit.

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Nope. That's a myth. A proven myth. We know a lot more these days. The impurities are inactive. They don't bind to the receptor. The binding changes the receptor, and causes a chain reaction which leads to the experience. Tons of studies have been done on pharmaceutical LSD. And these studies show the same exact distribution of the same exact side effects you see today. This variance is even seen within the same individual from trip to trip.....even if the same exact dose is used. If you truly want to learn about & understand LSD better you should look into the book LSD; Spirituality & the Creative Process. It details the longest running single study with LSD. Participants were dosed from the 50s through the mid 60s. Every participant was given 2 micrograms of LSD per kilogram of bodyweight, and given this dose multiple times. This was Sandoz LSD; ie pharmaceutical LSD. The study details all of the effects, from psychedelic to side effects & everything in between. Again, you see the same side effects & variation in trips as today. LSD has side effects. Beyond that, it's an incredibly powerful mind altering substance that alters one's perceptions to a mind-belong degree. As such it's incredibly sensitive to the most minute detail. The difference you've felt in trips had nothing to do with the LSD. It was you. Everything from set & setting to how much/quality of sleep you've over the past few weeks, diet, hydration, stresses, whatever bugs you're body is grappling with, the work week, interactions with random people....things you can't even think of that are going on within your body's cells, the weather, what people said about the doses, etc.....it all adds up. By it's very nature the psychedelic experience is variable.

Years ago I was involved in the distribution of LSD. To me it was a sacred thing that I did because I felt it needed to be done. Let me clarity that this was a long time ago, and that part of my life is long over with. But I was high up enough to know what we were working with. And I watched as down the line, folks changed the name of what it was to sell it. Some would call it silver, others fluff, others needlepoint, others yet needlepoint fluff, the clear. Some even called it an old batch of Owsley dug up for whatever special occasion. And people bought into the sales pitch, and attributed different effects to the doses. They felt that the fluff/needlepoint was cleaner, smoother & the silver had more side effects; it was speedier, you could feel it in your jaw, back, etc. They really felt this, and were adamant about the difference & that they could feel it. But it was all the exact same LSD crystal, laid to the exact same dose, at the same time & by the same people. There was absolutely no difference in the LSD itself. Only thing different was what crystal it was being sold as. And that was enough to totally skew the experience. Because that's how powerful LSD is...that's how deep it seeps into your mind. Just a name can change the experience. We're talking about a drug that allows one to feel, smell, taste & see sounds.....among myriad other sensory effects. The "difference" the impurities cause? That's all in your head & has nothing to do with the impurities. It's the LSD + myriad other factors that all coalesce to provide the experience. It's just that most folks buy into the bullshit & blame the LSD for any negative effects. It's not the LSD; it's you.

I gaurantee that if I gave you 200 mics of 50% pure d-LSD crystal, and 100 mics of 99.9% pure d-LSD crystal you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Furthermore, if I gave you those & said the 50% pure stuff was fluff & the 99.9% pure stuff was lavender laid stronger to compensate for the impurities, you'd be telling me that the "fluff" was way cleaner & smoother, whereas the "lavender" had much more of a body load & was a rough ride. And you'd really feel it too. That's the power of the mind. It's all in your head. I've see what I just described played out thousands of times....and that's not an exaggeration.





Go to the library, amazon.com, Barnes & Noble....wherever, and pick up that book; LSD Spirituality & the Creative Process. Again, it's a compilation of raw data from  real study with Sandoz LSD. And the sample size is big enough for the data to be statistically significant. Read that, and learn some facts about LSD. Not some wook-perpetuated lot myths. Actual facts. Also look into Dr. David Nichols. He's the world's foremost expert on LSD, and has been studying it for decades. He was also the only person with a DEA license to make LSD.....obviously for research only.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23677331 - 09/25/16 04:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You bring nothing substantial to the table yet again. Of course LSD trips will have differing effects on different trips depending on your mental set. Nobody is arguing that. But different purities or batches of LSD do have a different base effect, which can be distinguished if you have 100s of ravers sampling and testing your product. Not everyone will be able to notice the difference and that's why this is a never ending argument. Human sensitivity is a real thing and it determines how able you to feel things that others might not be able to.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23677342 - 09/25/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23679321 - 09/26/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Vandago, the reason people's backs ache when they're on LSD isn't because of "bad posture", although it can contribute to it. The reason is because of vasoconstriction. Usually the neck and lower stomache are most effected in specific





I've had extreme vasoconstriction before, and it was most noticeable in my feet up to my knees, and my fingers up to my elbows.

I've taken ridiculous amounts of speed and stayed up for days dehydrated and my back and neck were the least of my worries.

However, when I am stressed and my nerves are tense I notice it in my back the most, muscle tightening, and if I am out of shape it is even worse.  I had a tumor removed from my lower right side of my back, and when I am extremely nervous and uncomfortable the scar will literally start quivering, which doesn't help me relax.


Like you said, posture has something to do with it, blood pressure also has something to do with it, so while you negated what I said, you immediately agreed with it right after.

What I gave was an example of why peoples backs hurt on LSD, it's not the impurities.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23679392 - 09/26/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Crystals and purity don't change the experience
There is no reason to think they do, and certainly no evidence

Set & Setting account for subjective differences


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23679406 - 09/26/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've never recreated the same hallucinogenic experience twice.

No one has. 

Like a groundhogs day trip?  "holy shit this is EXACTLY the same as when I ate 347 mics on july 12th 2001!!!!"


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    #23679412 - 09/26/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can always do the classic test

When someone thinks different crystals make a difference
Give them acid multiple times from the same batch, presented with different names

"white fluff" "rose doodoo" etc

When they're in the middle of discussing the differences between those batches
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    #23679430 - 09/26/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Been there, done that.  Mom wouldn't talk to me for years after that.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23680620 - 09/26/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystals and purity don't change the experience
There is no reason to think they do, and certainly no evidence

Set & Setting account for subjective differences




If I gave 200 experienced trippers 10 doses of each the best batch I had from this particular chemist, and 10 doses of the worst batch, I can safely bet that the majority would guess what the higher purity batch was. It's easy to tell IME, there's a distinguishable base feeling each one has that is different from the effects your set/setting has on your experience. Some insensitive types might not be able to be aware of it. It's similar to different purities of benzos. Some notice hte cheap hChinese shit from a mile away, some don't.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23680632 - 09/26/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The difference in benzos is the binders put in the benzos. Some binders and dyes have a weaker oral bioavailability, which is common knowledge.

There's over 10 companies that make ambien.

Only 2 of those companies products actually give me any effects, I could eat 30 pills and not even feel it.

Has nothing to do with the zolpidem, it has to do with the binders and fillers added to the pill.


Every single LSD trip is different, and even if you gave 100 people 2 different batches on a test, you have a fifty fifty shot of just guessing right.

It's all set and setting man. It's cool to think that "Making it with love and perfection" is a factor in your trip......but really it's all in your head.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23680704 - 09/26/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It has nothing to do with putting love into it, as good as it makes your argument sound. I doubt it's the purity itself but something else we're missing. Chemists don't know everything, there's still blind spots we haven't caught yet. One day you guys will be proven wrong.


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    #23680736 - 09/26/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have eaten thousands of hits of acid, from hundreds of different batches.

There's nothing to prove wrong.

LSD-25 is LSD-25

It's not like the stuff hasn't been around for 70+ years or anything :lol:

Anytime I hear anyone say something about their back hurting from "bad acid" I immediately wanna just shit on the floor and walk away.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23680778 - 09/26/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Your thousands of hit trips can make you feel right, mine can make me feel right. Just don't get butthurt about it like Dark Star.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23680782 - 09/26/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23680821 - 09/26/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Your thousands of hit trips can make you feel right, mine can make me feel right. Just don't get butthurt about it like Dark Star.
:poop:





It's not a feeling, and dark star isn't butthurt.  He's also one of MANY on the boards who can give you details and reasons and facts regarding the cause of people thinking there is different experiences associated with different batches.

All anyones argument is "Well I know a guy, who knows a chemist and......"

And that's your only argument.  I bet your family and their chemist was, like anyone who produces drugs, laughing about it to the hole they buried their money in.

It's a selling point.

No one is butthurt aside from the people that consistently make these threads and start the same debate over and over and over because they probably ate acid last weekend and had an epiphany.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23680869 - 09/26/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's all your argument is too. You guys haven't brought any proof to the table either.


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    #23681020 - 09/26/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The fact that the precursors are not active, the fact that if there was dirty acid where 200-300 mics would cause issues, there would be deaths from LSD, the fact that multiple chemists are telling you that the chemical purity only effects the weight of the active chemical...people with legit knowledge.  The fact some of these people have actually done tests with acid, like giving someone impure crystal and calling it family fluff or needlepoint and the person comes back in awe, and then giving that same person the 99% crystal and saying this is amber or lavender and the person coming back with back issues.

That's all anyone who argues the purity issues ever say. "It felt dirty"  I have eaten so many research chemicals, from different batches, and even a majority of those have never been any different as far as the chemical itself goes.

Some chemicals do have precursors that are active, like MXE for example.  There was a very bad batch going around that contained a precursor that was not only active, but a neurotoxin.  It's shown on the DEA's microgram bulletin.  Even on the DEA's microgram bulletin there has NEVER been a confiscation of bad acid......anywhere.....at any time.  You think the labs that have caught people with LSD that was "dirty" would mention it?  They do with any other "cut" drug or "dirty" chemical.

Those are enough right there to dispute your back issues. 

You've literally got nothing besides what AFOAF.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23681080 - 09/26/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's not enough to dispute what I'm saying. There could easily be something you're missing. Happens all the time in science.


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    #23681309 - 09/26/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystals and purity don't change the experience
There is no reason to think they do, and certainly no evidence

Set & Setting account for subjective differences




If I gave 200 experienced trippers 10 doses of each the best batch I had from this particular chemist, and 10 doses of the worst batch, I can safely bet that the majority would guess what the higher purity batch was. It's easy to tell IME, there's a distinguishable base feeling each one has that is different from the effects your set/setting has on your experience. Some insensitive types might not be able to be aware of it. It's similar to different purities of benzos. Some notice hte cheap hChinese shit from a mile away, some don't.




So you tell yourself.

My tolerance has gone down over the years, I used to drop 10 hits at a time and would have a harder time dropping 2 these days. As my tolerance has gone down, I've become more and more aware of what LSD feels like.
I have not noticed any "base" difference between the last hundred or so trips, only Set & Setting.

You can pretend to have some kind of insight into the subtleties of the experience we're all missing, but the fact of the matter is you're being fooled by placebo.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23681347 - 09/26/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You don't know it's a fact, same goes for me. It's ALL speculation at this point.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] * 1
    #23681415 - 09/26/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The burden of proof lays with those claiming there are different variations of LSD-25

:shrug:


Since we're talking about a specific compound, it shouldn't be difficult to take an objective look at what changes in the outcome between manufacturing methods. This hasn't been demonstrated because there are no different outcomes.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23681441 - 09/26/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Where specifically did I claim that? I already said that I don't think it has to do with the lack of purity itself, but some other thing we're missing. Maybe it's an undetected.contaminate or ergotamine that hasn't been examined enough, or whatever man. I never claimed to have the answer.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
    #23681478 - 09/26/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Since we're talking about a specific compound, it shouldn't be difficult to take an objective look at what changes in the outcome between manufacturing methods. This hasn't been demonstrated because there are no different outcomes.




Thats not entirely true. You will end up with different byproducts depending on your synthetic route.

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The fact that the precursors are not active




Depends on where you start. Several precursors for lsd are most definitely active, both physically and psychologically.


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    #23681509 - 09/26/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Since we're talking about a specific compound, it shouldn't be difficult to take an objective look at what changes in the outcome between manufacturing methods. This hasn't been demonstrated because there are no different outcomes.




Thats not entirely true. You will end up with different byproducts depending on your synthetic route.

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The fact that the precursors are not active




Depends on where you start. Several precursors for lsd are most definitely active, both physically and psychologically.




Well personally I'll need specifics before I can take these statements seriously, in context of the effects of the trip. Byproducts are a given, but I don't see anyone passing A/B tests.


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    #23681529 - 09/26/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Depends on where you start. Several precursors for lsd are most definitely active, both physically and psychologically.




Left in the finished product at even close to an active dose?  I highly think not.

The vials I speak of drinking were amber crystal, diluted at 100 mics, at 70% purity.  If I had taken close to 100 doses of this, I would surely have noticed an active precursor, but I can firmly say that once I have hit 1 mg with any LSD it is no different than 4-7mgs.  There's only so far you can go.

With the paper I get it's laid at 110 mics at around 90% purity and if I take 10 of them it is the same strength as 15.  If I take 5 it is a solid lucid experience where I can interpret and remember the trip.  At around 1 mg things get disrupted at the peak, and I can't even remember a portion of it, and that's with any batch I have taken heroic doses with.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23681593 - 09/26/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Of the 4 isomers of lsd, only 1 is psychologically active. The other 3 are not, but whether or not they may be slightly physically active in any way is unknown. These isomers are usually just separated and converted to active lsd. Zero research exists for these compounds. I know for a fact that not every chemist separates their products (mostly small scale neighborhood type cooks). It's all speculative if these impurities can influence a trip. I personally lean on the side of "no", but it wouldnt be the first time Ive been wrong about something.

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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23692048 - 09/29/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I did bring proof to the table. Re-read the post. I specifically mentioned a book full of data that shows this. Same side effects, same variance from trip to trip with the same individual on the same dose. The study being done with Sandoz LSD.  I also mentioned Dr. Nichols. You want to learn about how psychedelics work, you look into his work. Additionally, a vial of Sandoz was cracked open in the mid-aughts, and no one could tell the difference then either. https://erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml

I've also seen countless festie raver kids claim to feel the difference between batches.....when it was all the same exact crystal.....and the doses had come from our crew. These festie kids swore there was a difference & wouldn't take no for an answer even though they had no clue what they were talking. Just like what's happening here. As Vandago pointed out, the impurities are inactive. This means they don't bind to & change the receptors.....and therefore don't elicit any effect. How about actually looking into the resources I mentioned & learn a thing or two about the substance. It'll do you some good.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23692098 - 09/29/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Of course there's gonna be different effects based on set and setting. I already told you I don't deny this.
You aren't listening. Different batches have a different base effect. Some will be able to notice the difference,
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23692224 - 09/29/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There's really no possible end to this thread at this point. You guys are just going to go on back and forth forever.  Both of you are acting like you KNOW, and quite frankly, neither of you do.  Your individual information and experiences have led you to convince yourselves that you "know" the opposite of what the other believes.  Just agree to disagree.  I like a good argument, but this isn't a good one.  It's lame back and forth saying the same nothing arguments endlessly.

In my own experience, I've eaten acid tons of times and only ONCE have I had really rough physical side effects.  My stomach was absolutely fucked.  Cramped up in a fucking knot so that I really could barely walk for about an hour.  I could see why this would make someone think that that was an impure product that caused that.

I also completely understand the mentality that whatever amount of impurity left in the product should be too insignificant to notice.  Makes sense.  But just because it doesn't bind to the receptors doesn't mean shit about effects on your body.  If I give you a shot of Draino, it might not bind to your receptors but you're sure gonna have some physical side effects.  Some of the shit they use to synth acid is real, real nasty stuff. 

Although I tend to agree that it's unlikely that the impurities are going to be noticeable, I don't know and you don't know.  If you act like you're so sure, you're convincing no one but the person you've already convinced: yourself.


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    #23692326 - 09/29/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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    #23692350 - 09/29/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, well it was just a polite way of telling you that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.  I have a fair amount of chemistry experience and know quite a few with experience well beyond my own and they'd all laugh in your face at your proposals.  So make of that what ye will.


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    #23692361 - 09/29/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23692392 - 09/29/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How bout be a big boy and do some fucking research.  Put together an actual thought that makes sense if you want real discussion.  What chemical impurity are you claiming causes these effects?  And at what dosage?  Not that hard to find out what byproducts might be in finished LSD.  Until you actually put some thought into it, quit expecting people to entertain your nonsense ideas to the degree that you deem yourself worthy of.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Shpongle1]
    #23692401 - 09/29/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

>Put together an actual thought that makes sense if you're going to be a smart ass and want real discuss

Real talk, real discuss. It's very easy to have something unknown at work.


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