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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23681509 - 09/26/16 10:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Since we're talking about a specific compound, it shouldn't be difficult to take an objective look at what changes in the outcome between manufacturing methods. This hasn't been demonstrated because there are no different outcomes.




Thats not entirely true. You will end up with different byproducts depending on your synthetic route.

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The fact that the precursors are not active




Depends on where you start. Several precursors for lsd are most definitely active, both physically and psychologically.




Well personally I'll need specifics before I can take these statements seriously, in context of the effects of the trip. Byproducts are a given, but I don't see anyone passing A/B tests.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: I_was_the_walrus]
    #23681529 - 09/26/16 10:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Depends on where you start. Several precursors for lsd are most definitely active, both physically and psychologically.




Left in the finished product at even close to an active dose?  I highly think not.

The vials I speak of drinking were amber crystal, diluted at 100 mics, at 70% purity.  If I had taken close to 100 doses of this, I would surely have noticed an active precursor, but I can firmly say that once I have hit 1 mg with any LSD it is no different than 4-7mgs.  There's only so far you can go.

With the paper I get it's laid at 110 mics at around 90% purity and if I take 10 of them it is the same strength as 15.  If I take 5 it is a solid lucid experience where I can interpret and remember the trip.  At around 1 mg things get disrupted at the peak, and I can't even remember a portion of it, and that's with any batch I have taken heroic doses with.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23681593 - 09/26/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Of the 4 isomers of lsd, only 1 is psychologically active. The other 3 are not, but whether or not they may be slightly physically active in any way is unknown. These isomers are usually just separated and converted to active lsd. Zero research exists for these compounds. I know for a fact that not every chemist separates their products (mostly small scale neighborhood type cooks). It's all speculative if these impurities can influence a trip. I personally lean on the side of "no", but it wouldnt be the first time Ive been wrong about something.

My 2 cents.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23692048 - 09/29/16 08:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I did bring proof to the table. Re-read the post. I specifically mentioned a book full of data that shows this. Same side effects, same variance from trip to trip with the same individual on the same dose. The study being done with Sandoz LSD.  I also mentioned Dr. Nichols. You want to learn about how psychedelics work, you look into his work. Additionally, a vial of Sandoz was cracked open in the mid-aughts, and no one could tell the difference then either. https://erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_article2.shtml

I've also seen countless festie raver kids claim to feel the difference between batches.....when it was all the same exact crystal.....and the doses had come from our crew. These festie kids swore there was a difference & wouldn't take no for an answer even though they had no clue what they were talking. Just like what's happening here. As Vandago pointed out, the impurities are inactive. This means they don't bind to & change the receptors.....and therefore don't elicit any effect. How about actually looking into the resources I mentioned & learn a thing or two about the substance. It'll do you some good.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Dark_Star]
    #23692098 - 09/29/16 08:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Of course there's gonna be different effects based on set and setting. I already told you I don't deny this.
You aren't listening. Different batches have a different base effect. Some will be able to notice the difference,
some wont. It's not all the fucking same you numbnuts.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23692224 - 09/29/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There's really no possible end to this thread at this point. You guys are just going to go on back and forth forever.  Both of you are acting like you KNOW, and quite frankly, neither of you do.  Your individual information and experiences have led you to convince yourselves that you "know" the opposite of what the other believes.  Just agree to disagree.  I like a good argument, but this isn't a good one.  It's lame back and forth saying the same nothing arguments endlessly.

In my own experience, I've eaten acid tons of times and only ONCE have I had really rough physical side effects.  My stomach was absolutely fucked.  Cramped up in a fucking knot so that I really could barely walk for about an hour.  I could see why this would make someone think that that was an impure product that caused that.

I also completely understand the mentality that whatever amount of impurity left in the product should be too insignificant to notice.  Makes sense.  But just because it doesn't bind to the receptors doesn't mean shit about effects on your body.  If I give you a shot of Draino, it might not bind to your receptors but you're sure gonna have some physical side effects.  Some of the shit they use to synth acid is real, real nasty stuff. 

Although I tend to agree that it's unlikely that the impurities are going to be noticeable, I don't know and you don't know.  If you act like you're so sure, you're convincing no one but the person you've already convinced: yourself.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Shpongle1]
    #23692326 - 09/29/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Your sentimental noob ass has no place in this discussion.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23692350 - 09/29/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Ok, well it was just a polite way of telling you that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.  I have a fair amount of chemistry experience and know quite a few with experience well beyond my own and they'd all laugh in your face at your proposals.  So make of that what ye will.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Shpongle1]
    #23692361 - 09/29/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Empty bullshit as usual


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
    #23692392 - 09/29/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How bout be a big boy and do some fucking research.  Put together an actual thought that makes sense if you want real discussion.  What chemical impurity are you claiming causes these effects?  And at what dosage?  Not that hard to find out what byproducts might be in finished LSD.  Until you actually put some thought into it, quit expecting people to entertain your nonsense ideas to the degree that you deem yourself worthy of.


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There are more people imprisoned for the commission of drug offenses in the United States - close to 500,000 - than are incarcerated in England, France, Germany, and Japan for all crimes combined.  Examined in another way, the United States has 100,000 more people incarcerated for nonviolent drug offenses than all the countries of the European Union combined, despite the fact that the European Union has 100 million more citizens. :crankey: 

- "Drugs and Drug Policy: The Control of Consciousness Alteration, 2007.


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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Shpongle1]
    #23692401 - 09/29/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

>Put together an actual thought that makes sense if you're going to be a smart ass and want real discuss

Real talk, real discuss. It's very easy to have something unknown at work.


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