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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Sheekle]
#23679321 - 09/26/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sheekle said: Vandago, the reason people's backs ache when they're on LSD isn't because of "bad posture", although it can contribute to it. The reason is because of vasoconstriction. Usually the neck and lower stomache are most effected in specific
I've had extreme vasoconstriction before, and it was most noticeable in my feet up to my knees, and my fingers up to my elbows.
I've taken ridiculous amounts of speed and stayed up for days dehydrated and my back and neck were the least of my worries.
However, when I am stressed and my nerves are tense I notice it in my back the most, muscle tightening, and if I am out of shape it is even worse. I had a tumor removed from my lower right side of my back, and when I am extremely nervous and uncomfortable the scar will literally start quivering, which doesn't help me relax.
Like you said, posture has something to do with it, blood pressure also has something to do with it, so while you negated what I said, you immediately agreed with it right after.
What I gave was an example of why peoples backs hurt on LSD, it's not the impurities.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
#23679392 - 09/26/16 10:31 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Crystals and purity don't change the experience There is no reason to think they do, and certainly no evidence
Set & Setting account for subjective differences
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
#23679406 - 09/26/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've never recreated the same hallucinogenic experience twice.
No one has.
Like a groundhogs day trip? "holy shit this is EXACTLY the same as when I ate 347 mics on july 12th 2001!!!!"
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
#23679412 - 09/26/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Can always do the classic test
When someone thinks different crystals make a difference Give them acid multiple times from the same batch, presented with different names
"white fluff" "rose doodoo" etc
When they're in the middle of discussing the differences between those batches Punch them right in the nose with your cock
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89] 2
#23679430 - 09/26/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Been there, done that. Mom wouldn't talk to me for years after that.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
#23680620 - 09/26/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Crystals and purity don't change the experience There is no reason to think they do, and certainly no evidence
Set & Setting account for subjective differences
If I gave 200 experienced trippers 10 doses of each the best batch I had from this particular chemist, and 10 doses of the worst batch, I can safely bet that the majority would guess what the higher purity batch was. It's easy to tell IME, there's a distinguishable base feeling each one has that is different from the effects your set/setting has on your experience. Some insensitive types might not be able to be aware of it. It's similar to different purities of benzos. Some notice hte cheap hChinese shit from a mile away, some don't.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
#23680632 - 09/26/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The difference in benzos is the binders put in the benzos. Some binders and dyes have a weaker oral bioavailability, which is common knowledge.
There's over 10 companies that make ambien.
Only 2 of those companies products actually give me any effects, I could eat 30 pills and not even feel it.
Has nothing to do with the zolpidem, it has to do with the binders and fillers added to the pill.
Every single LSD trip is different, and even if you gave 100 people 2 different batches on a test, you have a fifty fifty shot of just guessing right.
It's all set and setting man. It's cool to think that "Making it with love and perfection" is a factor in your trip......but really it's all in your head.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
#23680704 - 09/26/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It has nothing to do with putting love into it, as good as it makes your argument sound. I doubt it's the purity itself but something else we're missing. Chemists don't know everything, there's still blind spots we haven't caught yet. One day you guys will be proven wrong.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] 1
#23680736 - 09/26/16 06:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have eaten thousands of hits of acid, from hundreds of different batches.
There's nothing to prove wrong.
LSD-25 is LSD-25
It's not like the stuff hasn't been around for 70+ years or anything 
Anytime I hear anyone say something about their back hurting from "bad acid" I immediately wanna just shit on the floor and walk away.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
#23680778 - 09/26/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Your thousands of hit trips can make you feel right, mine can make me feel right. Just don't get butthurt about it like Dark Star.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
#23680782 - 09/26/16 06:39 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] 1
#23680821 - 09/26/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hobozen said: Your thousands of hit trips can make you feel right, mine can make me feel right. Just don't get butthurt about it like Dark Star.

It's not a feeling, and dark star isn't butthurt. He's also one of MANY on the boards who can give you details and reasons and facts regarding the cause of people thinking there is different experiences associated with different batches.
All anyones argument is "Well I know a guy, who knows a chemist and......"
And that's your only argument. I bet your family and their chemist was, like anyone who produces drugs, laughing about it to the hole they buried their money in.
It's a selling point.
No one is butthurt aside from the people that consistently make these threads and start the same debate over and over and over because they probably ate acid last weekend and had an epiphany.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
#23680869 - 09/26/16 07:01 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's all your argument is too. You guys haven't brought any proof to the table either.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
#23681020 - 09/26/16 07:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The fact that the precursors are not active, the fact that if there was dirty acid where 200-300 mics would cause issues, there would be deaths from LSD, the fact that multiple chemists are telling you that the chemical purity only effects the weight of the active chemical...people with legit knowledge. The fact some of these people have actually done tests with acid, like giving someone impure crystal and calling it family fluff or needlepoint and the person comes back in awe, and then giving that same person the 99% crystal and saying this is amber or lavender and the person coming back with back issues.
That's all anyone who argues the purity issues ever say. "It felt dirty" I have eaten so many research chemicals, from different batches, and even a majority of those have never been any different as far as the chemical itself goes.
Some chemicals do have precursors that are active, like MXE for example. There was a very bad batch going around that contained a precursor that was not only active, but a neurotoxin. It's shown on the DEA's microgram bulletin. Even on the DEA's microgram bulletin there has NEVER been a confiscation of bad acid......anywhere.....at any time. You think the labs that have caught people with LSD that was "dirty" would mention it? They do with any other "cut" drug or "dirty" chemical.
Those are enough right there to dispute your back issues.
You've literally got nothing besides what AFOAF.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
#23681080 - 09/26/16 07:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's not enough to dispute what I'm saying. There could easily be something you're missing. Happens all the time in science.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen]
#23681309 - 09/26/16 09:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Crystals and purity don't change the experience There is no reason to think they do, and certainly no evidence
Set & Setting account for subjective differences
If I gave 200 experienced trippers 10 doses of each the best batch I had from this particular chemist, and 10 doses of the worst batch, I can safely bet that the majority would guess what the higher purity batch was. It's easy to tell IME, there's a distinguishable base feeling each one has that is different from the effects your set/setting has on your experience. Some insensitive types might not be able to be aware of it. It's similar to different purities of benzos. Some notice hte cheap hChinese shit from a mile away, some don't.
So you tell yourself.
My tolerance has gone down over the years, I used to drop 10 hits at a time and would have a harder time dropping 2 these days. As my tolerance has gone down, I've become more and more aware of what LSD feels like. I have not noticed any "base" difference between the last hundred or so trips, only Set & Setting.
You can pretend to have some kind of insight into the subtleties of the experience we're all missing, but the fact of the matter is you're being fooled by placebo.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
#23681347 - 09/26/16 09:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You don't know it's a fact, same goes for me. It's ALL speculation at this point.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Hobozen] 1
#23681415 - 09/26/16 09:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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The burden of proof lays with those claiming there are different variations of LSD-25

Since we're talking about a specific compound, it shouldn't be difficult to take an objective look at what changes in the outcome between manufacturing methods. This hasn't been demonstrated because there are no different outcomes.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: Repertoire89]
#23681441 - 09/26/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Where specifically did I claim that? I already said that I don't think it has to do with the lack of purity itself, but some other thing we're missing. Maybe it's an undetected.contaminate or ergotamine that hasn't been examined enough, or whatever man. I never claimed to have the answer.
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Re: LSD Purity and Subjectivity Involving Positive Experiences [Re: vandago]
#23681478 - 09/26/16 10:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Since we're talking about a specific compound, it shouldn't be difficult to take an objective look at what changes in the outcome between manufacturing methods. This hasn't been demonstrated because there are no different outcomes.
Thats not entirely true. You will end up with different byproducts depending on your synthetic route.
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The fact that the precursors are not active
Depends on where you start. Several precursors for lsd are most definitely active, both physically and psychologically.
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