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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23687511 - 09/28/16 04:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So as I mentioned above, I ordered some bridgesii from two different vendors.  One is going to be 12" and the other is 6".

Here's a pic of the 6" that just arrived.  All i can say is WTF?!?!?!?  This puny little thing is going to extract some good meds for me?  This looks like a baby pickle.  From what I've read online, they should be 4-5" thick.  This thing is barely over 1" thick.  Did I get screwed over?



I'm still waiting for the 12" cutting.  Hopefully its got more girth!!!




Don't eat that one. It's not worth it. Definitely plant it and let it grow a bit first.

How much did you pay for it?




After a quick search, it does sound like bridgesii is going to be quite a bit thinner than San Pedro and some other cacti.  But this thin? 

I don't want to waste my time growing anything YET.  Not until I've had at least one good mescaline trip.  If I enjoy it, then yes I plan to just grow these myself.

I paid $18 for this 6" cutting.  But I just noticed something strange...I was refunded $5.50 from the vendor...




I don't know where you got that information. It looks much more like your cutting is just a very young one, and so very small. You can expect a 12" cutting to be of similar size to a 12" san pedro cutting. How much did you pay for your 12" cutting, by the way.

$18 is a very high price for such a small cutting, but I wouldn't say you were ripped off. You can get a full sized 12" cutting for about $20 if you know where to look.


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23687646 - 09/28/16 05:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I put 24 inches of San Pedro in 64 oz water, simmered in a crock pot on high, added 32 oz water and boiled on the stove on high for about 30 minutes, added about 32 oz water and then boiled til it was about 32 oz again. I could have boiled longer but it was taking a long time and I wanted to trip before my tattoo appointment at 4pm




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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: healing]
    #23687700 - 09/28/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't know where you got that information. It looks much more like your cutting is just a very young one, and so very small. You can expect a 12" cutting to be of similar size to a 12" san pedro cutting. How much did you pay for your 12" cutting, by the way.

$18 is a very high price for such a small cutting, but I wouldn't say you were ripped off. You can get a full sized 12" cutting for about $20 if you know where to look.





I think the 12" was around $30 but that included shipping too.

Regarding the youngness of it, does that mean it will have less of the active ingredient?  What I'm saying is would it still be oz for oz the same amount of mescaline compared to one that was not so young?


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23687857 - 09/28/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I put 24 inches of San Pedro in 64 oz water, simmered in a crock pot on high, added 32 oz water and boiled on the stove on high for about 30 minutes, added about 32 oz water and then boiled til it was about 32 oz again. I could have boiled longer but it was taking a long time and I wanted to trip before my tattoo appointment at 4pm




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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23688112 - 09/28/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Regarding the youngness of it, does that mean it will have less of the active ingredient?  What I'm saying is would it still be oz for oz the same amount of mescaline compared to one that was not so young?




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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23688297 - 09/28/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

There's no way of knowing how much mescaline is in any cactus of any age. They all vary so widely.


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: Unknown.User]
    #23691798 - 09/29/16 07:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Alright, my 12" cutting arrived in the mail today and it ranged from 3-4" in diameter.  I have that and the puny little 6" cutting in the freezer right now.  I plan to freeze and thaw all 18" 2 times tonight before I go to bed.

Then here's the plan for tomorrow....

5:30am:  Take the subway up to midtown to check in for my surgery (meniscus and cartilage tear in my left knee)
8:30am:  Leave the surgery center and head straight home
9:00am:  Blend up the cacti with water until it's a gooey green slush
9:30am:  Start the boiling process
9:30am-2:30pm:  Smoke weed, ice my knee, and play lots of video games. 
2:30:  Hopefully by now it's ready to come off the stove.  This would be the 5 hour mark
2:30pm-3:00pm:  I;m going to strain it and place the mixture in the fridge.  I hear it's a little easier to swallow after it has been chilled
3:00pm:  Go time.  I plan to swig back the tea and chase it with picklebacks, assuming it tastes as bad I i've heard from others. 

Assuming I do this right and actually trip, do you think the cacti will exacerbate the pain in my knee?

Do you think the anesthesia will interact or counteract the effects of the mescaline?  I figured they will put me under around 7:30am.  They are putting me under a "twilight" anesthesia...whatever the fuck that is. 

SO PUMPED!!!!  I've wanted to make mescaline for years.


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23692144 - 09/29/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Alright, my 12" cutting arrived in the mail today and it ranged from 3-4" in diameter.  I have that and the puny little 6" cutting in the freezer right now.  I plan to freeze and thaw all 18" 2 times tonight before I go to bed.

Then here's the plan for tomorrow....

5:30am:  Take the subway up to midtown to check in for my surgery (meniscus and cartilage tear in my left knee)
8:30am:  Leave the surgery center and head straight home
9:00am:  Blend up the cacti with water until it's a gooey green slush
9:30am:  Start the boiling process
9:30am-2:30pm:  Smoke weed, ice my knee, and play lots of video games. 
2:30:  Hopefully by now it's ready to come off the stove.  This would be the 5 hour mark
2:30pm-3:00pm:  I;m going to strain it and place the mixture in the fridge.  I hear it's a little easier to swallow after it has been chilled
3:00pm:  Go time.  I plan to swig back the tea and chase it with picklebacks, assuming it tastes as bad I i've heard from others. 

Assuming I do this right and actually trip, do you think the cacti will exacerbate the pain in my knee?

Do you think the anesthesia will interact or counteract the effects of the mescaline?  I figured they will put me under around 7:30am.  They are putting me under a "twilight" anesthesia...whatever the fuck that is. 

SO PUMPED!!!!  I've wanted to make mescaline for years.




I would definitely be worried about any sort of interaction, but we can't really help you unless we know what drugs they give you. Also you don't really want to trip right after they cut your knee open.


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    #23692309 - 09/29/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's an orthoscopic procedure so they are just drilling a tiny hole into tissue, not into actual bone.

I realize there will still be some discomfort obviously but from what I've heard, this really isn't that big of a procedure or recovery period.  Plus my meniscus tear is minimal.  I'm just planning to chill out to some tunes, play with my dog, and watch a movie or two during the trip.  No much moving around. 

All that said, fingers crossed for a good experience.

Worst case scenario?  I have 48" inches of bridgesii in the mail that should arrive in the next few days so there's always the option of redosing in the not too distant future.


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23692728 - 09/30/16 12:12 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's an orthoscopic procedure so they are just drilling a tiny hole into tissue, not into actual bone.

I realize there will still be some discomfort obviously but from what I've heard, this really isn't that big of a procedure or recovery period.  Plus my meniscus tear is minimal.  I'm just planning to chill out to some tunes, play with my dog, and watch a movie or two during the trip.  No much moving around. 

All that said, fingers crossed for a good experience.

Worst case scenario?  I have 48" inches of bridgesii in the mail that should arrive in the next few days so there's always the option of redosing in the not too distant future.




No, dude. It's definitely not a good idea. Muscle spasms are a pretty common side effect of mescaline. There's the possibility that the mescaline could cause you to have muscle spasms in your leg which could cause even worse damage to your meniscus.


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23714147 - 10/06/16 07:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yesterday I ordered 18" of bridgesii online and it should arrive in the next few days.  This will be my first experience with making/ingesting mescaline.

Here's my plan.  Let me know if you think I'm on the right track.  I know there's a lot of different methods out there, but this one seems to be the easiest for a first timer. 

I'm planning on taking all 18" for my dosage...

*Freeze and thaw the cactus a couple times
*Carefully cut off the spines
*Slice them up like a cucumber in ¼" thick pieces
*Cut the flesh from the core and discard the core.
*Blend thoroughly with water
*Place the goo in a large pot and on a low heat, boil for 5 hours, stirring it frequently and adding water as needed.
*After boiling, let it cool then using a straining cloth, remove the liquid from the gunk.

How much liquid should I get from this?  The goal is to make as small amount of tea as possible because I hear it's pretty disgusting. 

Thoughts on taking the initial tea and boiling that again for another hour or two to evaporate more nasty tasting liquid?  I'm not trying to sound like a bitch, I just don't want to go through all of this to puke up the tea 2 mins after drinking it.




So I made a batch a few days using the above mentioned method and it was a total bust.  I was pretty disappointed, but the worst part for me was that I had to taste that vile bile shit and all for nothing.  I have no idea what i did wrong but, but Im going to go a different route next time. 

I think I'm going to try the House's Tek on the next batch.  Is anyone familiar with this and have they used it before?  I wish I could find a video of all of the steps somewhere online, but to no avail so far.

Here's a cut and paste of "step 1" that I found on another site.  Steps 2 and 3 seem pretty self explanatory so i didn't add those, but I'm a little unclear on a few parts from "step 1" below, which I have outlined beneath the ****Cut and pasted part****

****Step 1
Carefully cut the green skin off of the San Pedro any way you feel comfortable and put this in a plastic bag. The middle section can be composted. Freeze and thaw the bag 3x. Once the cells have been lysed, place the cactus chunks in a large pot of boiling water and simmer / boil for 5 hours. Do not agitate or mash the chunks in any way, this is the key to purity. A good sized chunk is about the size of a thumb, or half of that. Add warm water to your pot if it starts to get low. Remember, using a large pot with more water allows more alkaloids to be extracted faster and easier.
I have heard you can pressure cook San Pedro for only 45 minutes at 15 pounds per square inch but this has not been tested.
Also. The more water you use the better when cooking. If you are using more than a foot you may even want to do a separate cook with fresh water so the solubility rates are higher and can grab the rest of the alkaloids.****

A couple questions...
Regarding the very first part of step 1, where it says "Carefully cut the green skin off of the San Pedro any way you feel comfortable and put this in a plastic bag. The middle section can be composted."...so are they saying you want to keep and cook the skin, but dispose of the center part of the cactus?  Is that where most of the mescaline compounds will be?  I can't find much supporting evidence online to prove this.  If this is the case, then why would most other methods recommend only discarding of the spines, and then using whatever is left to make your mescaline? 

And how about the statement that says "If you are using more than a foot you may even want to do a separate cook with fresh water so the solubility rates are higher and can grab the rest of the alkaloids."...I am planning to use more than a foot.  Two feet to be precise.  Is this person saying instead of only using one pot, i should be using two?  And why are they calling out the "fresh water" when it isn't mentioned anywhere before this statement?

I personally think this method I found on a different site is insanely poorly worded and confusing.  A video would be extremely helpful but as mentioned earlier, I can't find one.  I've heard quite a few people recommending this method which is why I want to try it, even if I can't seem to make any sense of it right now. 

Please help!!!  I want to trip on some fucking mescaline!!!


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23714925 - 10/07/16 01:20 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

It's possible that you cactus was just weak. Did you weigh your cactus?

Anyway the second method you posted doesn't differ significantly from the method you used.


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23717501 - 10/07/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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It's possible that you cactus was just weak. Did you weigh your cactus?

Anyway the second method you posted doesn't differ significantly from the method you used.




I didn't weigh it out unfortunately.  You can see in the photo above, the 6" cutting was pretty small.  The 12" (not posted) was quite a bit thicker.  Maybe 3-4" total.  It was bridgesii, which I hear is much more potent and consistent than other cacti.  Even if it was a weak and/or light 18" I figured I would have felt SOMETHING?!?!?

I have 24" in the freezer right now and will weigh it before I make my next batch.  I'm not sure what went wrong with the last batch.  Maybe too low of heat?  Of the 4-5 hours that it was on the stove, I would say at least 30-45 mins was actual boiling temp, but the rest of the time I would call it more of a simmer.  Is this where I fucked up perhaps?  I was worried about overheating it, which seems like a common mistake in the few posts that I have found online.

What about the skin only vs. using the entire cutting?  Any other tips/methods would be greatly appreciated. 

I really want to avoid going all Walter White with chemistry to do this.  At least for my first time.


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Mescaline has to be one of the least talked about psychedelics on this site even though it seems that those that have tried it tend to favor it over any other  :shrug:




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    #23717862 - 10/07/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I pretty much swore my allegiance to mescaline when I first tried it


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: Mike4aco]
    #23717880 - 10/07/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Good luck on your trip! Mescaline is supposed to be incredible and clear, I can't wait to do it. I have it, just haven't had the right time. Kinda wanna do it in the snow.


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23727065 - 10/10/16 11:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Cactus take a while to build up mescaline. Old growth on mature plants is going to be much stronger than new growth on young plants. It really is better to just buy, grow and wait. Impatience will waste material and the plants you eat now that may not even get you to threshold will provide several trips if you give them a few years, plus propagation is super easy and you will eventually have an endless supply, or as much as you have room to have growing in your yard/house and are willing to spend the time on propagating.

I find dry weight is the ultimate measure to go by rather than inches, young plants are mostly water and have not built up the internal structure that adds dry weight to them so they'll actually dry up to much less than you'd expect. Paying even $20 a foot is pretty ridiculous when think that you could pay $4 for 100 seeds and have 300 feet just a in a few years. But it's your money.:lol:


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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: P.Zappatecorum]
    #23727119 - 10/10/16 11:32 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This is what I heard:

12 inch bridgesii cutting...

Step 1
Pull out the spines with pliers.

Step 2
Chop up the entire cutting - core and all - into large bite sized pieces (the size of a golf ball or c battery).

Step 3
Peel the scotch tape-like skin off of the pieces.

Step 4
Eat all the pieces and chase each mouthful with ICE COLD lemonade or oj.

Step 5
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Re: Upcoming Mescaline Trip [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23727150 - 10/10/16 11:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Like I said, old or new? 12 inches of 4inch thick beastly lower cuttings from a 20 year old in-ground plant in Cali or Oz could be enough for 2 or 3 trips, people with big plants often say 6-8 inches for that reason. 12 inches of 1.5 inch thick degrafted from pereskiopsis could dry up to as little as 10g and barely give you a body high. It would take 3 feet of those to get a good trip on.

OP already consumed 12 inches and didn't feel much. Inches don't mean shit. Dried weight is the only reliable way to gauge dosing, everything else is guesswork and highly unreliable. If you feel like choking down hellish tasting snot or chewing up a foot of the purest numbing bitterness go ahead, but it's going to suck if after all that you still only got 100mg of mescaline and you're barely high with a raging stomach ache. :lol:


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    #23727637 - 10/11/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yes eating cactus only makes sense if the cutting is known to be potent. If the cactus is weak then brewing or extraction is a better choice. But why mess around with weak cactus? Anyone who does a little bit of research can find 12 inch cuttings of bridgesii for sale. Bridgesii is consistently potent. 12 inches of "average" sized bridgesii will consistently make you trip hard when eaten.


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    #23727869 - 10/11/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yes eating cactus only makes sense if the cutting is known to be potent. If the cactus is weak then brewing or extraction is a better choice. But why mess around with weak cactus? Anyone who does a little bit of research can find 12 inch cuttings of bridgesii for sale. Bridgesii is consistently potent. 12 inches of "average" sized bridgesii will consistently make you trip hard when eaten.



OP bought online and brewed 12 inches of bridgesii, perhaps he did the brewing wrong but he clearly read enough to think that 12 inches of bridgesii would be sufficient and it wasn't. I've dried 12 inches of bridgesii and gotten only 10g of material, and this was 2 inch thick stuff that I really expected to be more like 30-50g dry.

You never know with cactus. If OP knew the dry weight, he could tell whether the material was simply not enough weight or if he fucked up the brew. At any rate, I don't like the inconsistency of doing by length, it works for a rough ballpark estimate but 12 inches even of bridgesii will still be variable and will give you anywhere from 100-500mg mescaline. Sure on "average" it will be just right, but when the standard deviation is very wide average doesn't mean shit, especially when you aren't tripping because it wasn't enough or are blowing chunks and experiencing ego death when you wanted a mellow time because of regular fluctuations in density. Bridgesii is probably very consistent in potency, but cacti are never consistent in density, that's entirely based on conditions. Did the grower water too much, were the sun levels too low? etc. etc. 

Maybe once you find a vendor that uses the same clone and has very consistent product you can know by the length, but that's still too expensive IMO, and for me personally, growing my own I find there to be huge variations in the amount of cactus per inch (density not potency) and thus that to be a very shitty way to figure out dosing.:shrug:


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