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Sabnock
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Re: Is a Shaman necessary for a proper Ayahuasca experience? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#23678372 - 09/25/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: I'm referring to real doses of Aya where you reach level 5, not low experimental doses where you are pussy footing around.
I by all means haven't pussy footed around lol. I've taken quite strong dosages of both DMT and Harmalas on many occasions. I just prefer more moderate dosages because i mainly use it more for it's medicinal purposes these days, whereas beforehand i was taking it to have experiences. Moderate dosages are still quite strong/intense and not something to play around with that's for sure. Low dosages of DMT though i would consider to be more pussy footing around, but even low doses of DMT has some usefulness i've found.
But like i said, going with a high dosage of Harmalas/Rue i can still move around just fine, though i'm more sedated and relaxed. And since i've been taking strong dosages of Rue daily for 5 months now (though the last 5 days i haven't taken it, gonna take it again in a couple of days though), the reverse tolerance has built up quite a lot, so even super strong/heavy dosages of Rue feels pretty darn clean on the body and no side-effects/body load, though at such strong dosages, tremoring can become noticeable but by the time i get to that point i end up lowering the dosage because i don't wanna have convulsions and such. With the Rue's reverse tolerance built up, i can take a dose that is pretty much equivalent to about 10 grams of Rue, without side-effects. The reverse tolerance is quite awesome, and there'd be no way in hell i'd be able to take that much Rue without instantly vomiting it back up if it weren't for the reverse tolerance, lol.
Edited by Sabnock (09/26/16 01:01 AM)
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nooneman


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Re: Is a Shaman necessary for a proper Ayahuasca experience? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23678518 - 09/26/16 12:35 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. You'll be better off doing it on your own. Tons of people on DMT nexus do it all the time.
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crzgfx
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Re: Is a Shaman necessary for a proper Ayahuasca experience? [Re: PsychoKinesiS]
#23678614 - 09/26/16 02:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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PsychoKinesiS said: The legend goes that is not the Ayahuasca that heals you but the shaman. The Ayahuasca merely opens you up for manipulation, for better or worse, and it is the shaman who performs the therapy while you are in this state. The healing icaros sung by the shamans are theraputic. Without the shaman, demons can infiltrate you instead. Or so the legend goes.
That's just wrong. I study anthropology and in Latin American cultures using ayahuasca, it is indeed the shaman who heals you - BUT it is almost NEVER the patient who consumes Ayahuasca. The shaman drinks Ayahuasca and then heals the patient in trance by fetching back his soul or cleansing it of evil spirits.
Therefore, you shouldn't bother with an Ayahuasca retreat. The people who sell drug experiences there aren't authentic shamans, but rather experience entrepreneurs. Indeed, they are just after your money, while authentic shamans would not build Ayahuasca retreats for tourists. You should rather brew it yourself and ask a friend to trip sit you.
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healing
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Re: Is a Shaman necessary for a proper Ayahuasca experience? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23678626 - 09/26/16 02:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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UniverseOfTheMind8 said: Thankyou for the info, was very helpful. I do sometimes have a problem with letting go when things get pretty intense and there's alot of mind fuck though (like the sort of mindfuck that can come with shrooms for example). I go into like an instinctual flight or fight type mode and have a pretty hard time calming myself back down once all the anxiety/panic builds up. Does Aya have the relatively same kind of mind fuck or do you stay pretty clear minded? Also, what's the best way of letting go in those situations where you have the strong instinct to fight it in your opinion?
Ayahuasca and mushrooms aren't the only psychedelics which can be used to induce healing experiences. In fact it's possible with any psychedelic at the right dose, in the right setting, but most importantly in the right mindset.
If you prefer a psychedelic with less mindfuck, there's nothing wrong with that, just choose a drug with less mindfuck. There's no reason to use one of the drugs that is more commonly used for these purposes simply because it's used more commonly for these purposes, especially when there's likely a more comfortable drug you could be using.
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Re: Is a Shaman necessary for a proper Ayahuasca experience? [Re: AcidStrippedMind]
#23678811 - 09/26/16 05:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AcidStrippedMind said: Aya ceremonies are fucking dumb, I wouldn't go to one if it was free. Just do your research, make ur own shit, get a friend or two and hit the woods. Have your own trip.
Info on where to buy? I was contemplating on going to Peru for this next year but would rather do it in my apartment.
I'm not sure what ur asking.
People keep mentioning that going to Peru is not necessary and that you can do it in the comfort of your own home, however, after a search online I see nowhere to buy
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AcidStrippedMind
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Re: Is a Shaman necessary for a proper Ayahuasca experience? [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23679030 - 09/26/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AcidStrippedMind said: Aya ceremonies are fucking dumb, I wouldn't go to one if it was free. Just do your research, make ur own shit, get a friend or two and hit the woods. Have your own trip.
Info on where to buy? I was contemplating on going to Peru for this next year but would rather do it in my apartment.
I'm not sure what ur asking.
People keep mentioning that going to Peru is not necessary and that you can do it in the comfort of your own home, however, after a search online I see nowhere to buy
Extract it yourself or check the DNM.
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Re: Is a Shaman necessary for a proper Ayahuasca experience? [Re: DustyBottoms]
#23679813 - 09/26/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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AcidStrippedMind said: Aya ceremonies are fucking dumb, I wouldn't go to one if it was free. Just do your research, make ur own shit, get a friend or two and hit the woods. Have your own trip.
Info on where to buy? I was contemplating on going to Peru for this next year but would rather do it in my apartment.
I'm not sure what ur asking.
People keep mentioning that going to Peru is not necessary and that you can do it in the comfort of your own home, however, after a search online I see nowhere to buy
I don't know the best place to go, but I know you can buy it on eBay. It's all over the internet. You just haven't looked very well.
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