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OfflineBoomBoom
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Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban * 1
    #23676096 - 09/25/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lawmakers Ask DEA to Delay Kratom Ban
September 25, 2016  Pat Anson
By Pat Anson, Editor

A bipartisan group of nearly 50 congressmen have signed a letter asking the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration to delay a decision that would classify kratom as a Schedule I controlled substance, a move that would make the sale and possession of the herb a felony offense.

The letter, which will be sent on Monday to acting DEA administrator Charles Rosenberg, was written and circulated on Capitol Hill by Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wisconsin) and Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Arizona). A second letter is being sent to Shaun Donovan, the director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), urging him to use his “statutory authority” to delay the DEA’s regulatory action.

The letters are sign by 28 Democrats and 18 Republicans in the House, including two physicians, Rep. Daniel Banishek (R-Michigan) and Rep. Brad Wenstrup (R-Ohio). 

“While Republicans and Democrats are having a difficult time seeing eye-to-eye on many critical issues, and in the midst of a very busy election cycle, it is unprecedented to see so many join forces together, agreeing that the DEA has overstepped its emergency scheduling authority,” said Susan Ash, founder of the American Kratom Association, a consumer group lobbying against the DEA scheduling.

"We urge the DEA to delay finalizing the decision to define Kratom as a schedule I substance under the Controlled Substances Act and to engage consumers, researchers, and other stakeholders, in keeping with well-established protocol for such matters,” states the letter to the DEA administrator.

"A departure from such guidelines threatens the transparency of the scheduling process and its responsiveness to the input of both citizens and the scientific community."


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23676147 - 09/25/16 09:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They make almost nothing from legal kratom, income taxes and sales taxes.  They will bring together virtually unlimited funds to fight the scourge of this 'new dangerous drug'.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23676751 - 09/25/16 01:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

gross


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Konyap]
    #23676789 - 09/25/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

We should just make it illegal to make plants illegal...


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23676805 - 09/25/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Correction, All drugs including meth should be legal.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23676817 - 09/25/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Correction, All drugs including meth should be legal.




Legal and regulated are two different things. Making meth legal would just make it more easily available...

I agree all drugs should be legal to an extent but many clearly need at least some regulation.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23677018 - 09/25/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They need to decriminalize all drugs to an extent, make them legal to possess and grow, but illegal to distribute i.e. Sell and what not. That way no one gets rich, and everyone is able to use whatever drugs they wish recreationally or medicinally, no ones gonna to look for meth cuz they'll be too busy cultivating marijuana, mushrooms, poppy plants, etc. Tis the way it should be.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: zZZz]
    #23677109 - 09/25/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I fully agree with that but personally I feel like some things like say Fentanyl and its analogues should be heavily regulated and restricted.

Some things just have such high potential for abuse and very limited legitimate use that I wouldn't want them 100 "legal" really.

They should be available for research and their legitimate uses though.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23677116 - 09/25/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ive always said, if it grows from the ground naturally it's fair game and no one has the right to ban or restrict them. :shrug:


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Spellbound] * 1
    #23677206 - 09/25/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah its lunacy banning plants especially medicinal ones like kratom.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23677220 - 09/25/16 04:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

'They' dont like us sheep having natural medicine. They want us buying the pharma, make us customers long term lmao :facepalm3:  thats what i say anyway.

So many medicinal herbals and things. Chaga and reishi will be banned next at the rate we are goin.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23677227 - 09/25/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I could understand why they would ban such dangerous drugs like meth or heroin, but Kratom is like something totally different.. I've never tried it, but I've yet to read about someone OD,ding on the shit, or that some dude sold his gf's pussy cuz he needed Kratom real bad..


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23677770 - 09/25/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

a delay would be a miracle imo


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23678029 - 09/25/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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We should just make it illegal to make plants illegal...



There is one thing these people forget.  While they were in "playschool college let's make believe because I have money" there are people who were working farm jobs, business of all sorts, and getting their hands dirty and broken, out of no choice.  Real lessons.

Yet, pushed to the bottom of the pyramid, because they have no fancy paper framed on their wall in order to impress their friends.

That top tier forgets, simple physics.  A pyramid with no base, can't stand.  A building with no foundation, will fall.

Without that bottom base grunt, that top tier see's their cars go, their house go, their toys go.... and then who now, is the nigger?

I put my money on the one who was breaking his/her back straight out the crib.  Everytime.

All it takes is some coordination, and strategic moves..  and the whole hierarchy crumbles.

It's about time the solid workers of this United States adjusted their nutts and put their steel toe boots on a cream poofs neck and swing this pendulum back to the side it began with.

The devil wants to destroy this country, and suggest its shit to the world.  How are you working class liking that so far?  How did that turn out for you..

There's never been more crosshairs than ever on your forehead than now.  The games are over, now they want you, and your fat morbidly obeese flock of offspring.

So, what are you going to do?....apologize?  Or take what is rightfully yours in the eyes of the one True..and come hell or highwater, be free...



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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: BoomBoom]
    #23678250 - 09/25/16 10:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I can't believe that you fuckers (and I mean that in the nicest way) managed to get lawmakers to write this, but in all of your time here, in the complete history of the shroomery, NONE of you have managed to get lawmakers to write or say anything about LSD or psilocybin.

For fuck sake, this is unbelievable.

This is the SHROOMERY. In all the time that we've existed, we've made little or no progress on getting lawmakers to talk about psychedelics, but when they threaten to ban your precious kratom then all of a sudden it's "OH GOD NO WE'VE ALL GOT TO BAND TOGETHER AND STOP THEM." For fuck sake.

Anyway, congratulations you crazy fucks :kingcrankey:

Keep it up and you might actually accomplish something.
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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23678342 - 09/25/16 11:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think it may have something to do with the absurdity factor there, professor.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Amanita86]
    #23678533 - 09/26/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It was the principal of the whole thing, principalities.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: nooneman]
    #23678560 - 09/26/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Maybe that has to do with the fact that most psychedelics were scheduled before the majority of us were even born, and this is happening now.

Aside from that psychedelics have a more limited audience where as kratom's plethora of medicinal benefits allow it to replace many medications.

That makes kratom beneficial to a ton of people, not that psychedelic aren't in their own way. But they aren't going to cure your crippling pain :shrug:


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23678725 - 09/26/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: nooneman]
    #23678806 - 09/26/16 05:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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nooneman said:
I can't believe that you fuckers (and I mean that in the nicest way) managed to get lawmakers to write this, but in all of your time here, in the complete history of the shroomery, NONE of you have managed to get lawmakers to write or say anything about LSD or psilocybin.

For fuck sake, this is unbelievable.

This is the SHROOMERY. In all the time that we've existed, we've made little or no progress on getting lawmakers to talk about psychedelics, but when they threaten to ban your precious kratom then all of a sudden it's "OH GOD NO WE'VE ALL GOT TO BAND TOGETHER AND STOP THEM." For fuck sake.

Anyway, congratulations you crazy fucks :kingcrankey:

Keep it up and you might actually accomplish something.
:manofapproval:




If you look at the AKA Facebook page, which is largely what pushed this, you'll see that nearly everyone has like 10 autoimmune diseases. This ban is hitting a very desperate demographic.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: nooneman]
    #23678895 - 09/26/16 06:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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nooneman said:
I can't believe that you fuckers (and I mean that in the nicest way) managed to get lawmakers to write this, but in all of your time here, in the complete history of the shroomery, NONE of you have managed to get lawmakers to write or say anything about LSD or psilocybin.

For fuck sake, this is unbelievable.

This is the SHROOMERY. In all the time that we've existed, we've made little or no progress on getting lawmakers to talk about psychedelics, but when they threaten to ban your precious kratom then all of a sudden it's "OH GOD NO WE'VE ALL GOT TO BAND TOGETHER AND STOP THEM." For fuck sake.

Anyway, congratulations you crazy fucks :kingcrankey:

Keep it up and you might actually accomplish something.
:manofapproval:




Let me say that I'm not entirely sure if this is just for show, and also that I understand where you're coming from.

That being said this is an indication that change is possible and that your voice can be heard, which lends itself to the thought that perhaps one day those substances you mentioned May be reviewed an rescheduled down the line.

Science should be the medium which is used to weigh the potential risks or rewards of medicine, although I do believe that all drugs bar none should be decriminalized. That is topic for a different discussion


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: stzacrack]
    #23678957 - 09/26/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You gotta think what's in it for the Gov to keep it legal.  The answer is zip, nadda, nothing, zilch.  Anything they would take a major loss.  They need a people who are afraid and will pay anything to think they are safer and free.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
    #23679879 - 09/26/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If the DEA wanted to keep people safe from the harm of drugs, then they should promote Kratom, not ban it.

When 45 members of congress are telling the DEA that what they are doing is wrong, it shows you that the DEA are not looking out for the public.

With Kratom, I have no need to ever take Xanax ever again. Not only that, but a proper blend of specific Kratom strains, works comparably better than Xanax and I don't have the addiction issue that Xanax has. I have noticed that Hydrocodone worked well for my issues, but it got me "too high" and tolerance built up with every dose and the risk of addiction and even death and the horrific opposite effects as a result of quitting give me reason enough to know better than to try to use it to fix my problems.

When I discovered CBD, I realized that I don't need THC to help me. When I discovered Kratom, I realized I don't need CBD. Kratom makes me feel passionate about life and love what I am doing and motivated to do things. CBD is very useful, but Kratom is far more universally useful for me. With Kratom being banned, I will have to go back to CBD, which cost a lot more and doesn't make me feel passionate and motivated.

The DEA is really screwing up America by banning Kratom. Either they don't have a clue what they are doing by banning it, or they know EXACTLY what they are doing and only care about money, such as "How much money can I make while I am employed at the DEA?".

My life has always been complete hell, but when I discovered Kratom, my life has been going UP HILL. However, I have been an emotional wreck  since I heard about the ban of Kratom. The DEA is taking away my cure.

I feel like the DEA banning Kratom, MAY be helpful to show the world the corruption of the DEA, but I have my doubts. Nothing would make me happier than if the DEA banning Kratom, made the DEA fall apart and have everyone in the DEA be fired for abusing the public by purposefully lying, just to get more money.

The next visit to the doctor, I am going to share my story about how incredible Kratom has changed my life.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: guest1]
    #23680837 - 09/26/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's what I'm saying man... even 'high seekers' will tell you, "kratom is trash get some real drugs"..

But the thing is, kratom doesnt get you high, it alleviates the distortion that damaged nerves send off.. the nerve chaos.

No mexican drug lord is going to get shit bundling kratom.  Otherwise they would.. 

This is the defining line between getting "fucked up" and actual results from God given medicine to get you back to square one in regards to nerve damage etc.

My medicine cabinet is nature.  And I will be damned if ANYONE born on this earth will get between me and my god given pharmacy that is the forest.  It's all there....FOR, FREE!! Take care of the earth and it will take care of you.  God bless.

Fuck buildings, parking lots, processed food and anything that has you monetarily "profit" off your fellow human for the sake of cheating them.



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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: nooneman]
    #23681324 - 09/26/16 09:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

nooneman said:
I can't believe that you fuckers (and I mean that in the nicest way) managed to get lawmakers to write this, but in all of your time here, in the complete history of the shroomery, NONE of you have managed to get lawmakers to write or say anything about LSD or psilocybin.

For fuck sake, this is unbelievable.

This is the SHROOMERY. In all the time that we've existed, we've made little or no progress on getting lawmakers to talk about psychedelics, but when they threaten to ban your precious kratom then all of a sudden it's "OH GOD NO WE'VE ALL GOT TO BAND TOGETHER AND STOP THEM." For fuck sake.

Anyway, congratulations you crazy fucks :kingcrankey:

Keep it up and you might actually accomplish something.
:manofapproval:



Ummm, maps? Mdma research? Lsd research for cluster headaches? Lsd shrooms and all that shit actually have enough user base for a pretty consistent black market to stay im effect. Look out how far weed legalization has come. These drugs can actually be produced in large scale quantities vs kratom trees being fucking  assholes that don't grow outside of their homeland.

Kratom also has the benefit of being low key enough that it really hasn't had much of the smear campaign.

You think acid should be legal? Doesn't that stuff store in your back/make you permanently trip/ jump off buildings?

You defend acid which everyone has been scared of since birth, and suddenly people think your campaigning for self inflicted brain damage. Kratom is just some tea that people drink to the average person. It won't be long though before kratom becomes the new heroin or fentanyl analog once the mainstream media actually starts reporting it(more like local news stations etc.)


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: guest1]
    #23681341 - 09/26/16 09:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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guest1 said:
If the DEA wanted to keep people safe from the harm of drugs, then they should promote Kratom, not ban it.

When 45 members of congress are telling the DEA that what they are doing is wrong, it shows you that the DEA are not looking out for the public.

With Kratom, I have no need to ever take Xanax ever again. Not only that, but a proper blend of specific Kratom strains, works comparably better than Xanax and I don't have the addiction issue that Xanax has. I have noticed that Hydrocodone worked well for my issues, but it got me "too high" and tolerance built up with every dose and the risk of addiction and even death and the horrific opposite effects as a result of quitting give me reason enough to know better than to try to use it to fix my problems.

When I discovered CBD, I realized that I don't need THC to help me. When I discovered Kratom, I realized I don't need CBD. Kratom makes me feel passionate about life and love what I am doing and motivated to do things. CBD is very useful, but Kratom is far more universally useful for me. With Kratom being banned, I will have to go back to CBD, which cost a lot more and doesn't make me feel passionate and motivated.

The DEA is really screwing up America by banning Kratom. Either they don't have a clue what they are doing by banning it, or they know EXACTLY what they are doing and only care about money, such as "How much money can I make while I am employed at the DEA?".

My life has always been complete hell, but when I discovered Kratom, my life has been going UP HILL. However, I have been an emotional wreck  since I heard about the ban of Kratom. The DEA is taking away my cure.

I feel like the DEA banning Kratom, MAY be helpful to show the world the corruption of the DEA, but I have my doubts. Nothing would make me happier than if the DEA banning Kratom, made the DEA fall apart and have everyone in the DEA be fired for abusing the public by purposefully lying, just to get more money.

The next visit to the doctor, I am going to share my story about how incredible Kratom has changed my life.



I wouldn't tell my doctor about it. All that'll do is turn you into one of those "junkies that use that heroin bath salt stuff".

Sad but that's about all it will do.  Better to tell politicians and any authority figures who aren't scribbling down judgements in your medical record.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23681368 - 09/26/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It won't be long though before kratom becomes the new heroin or fentanyl analog once the mainstream media actually starts reporting it(more like local news stations etc.)





You probably just missed it becouse articles have been coming out like that for awhile :sad: it was them working up to the ban no doubt.

I remember at least a couple "new gas station heroin your kids might be doing" BS articles from awhile ago. Or ones lumping Kratom in with RC's... :nonono:


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23681866 - 09/27/16 12:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I hope the delay doesn't mean that they're looking for more legitimate reasons to ban it. I think that's what "delay" means sometimes.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: CLIT]
    #23682490 - 09/27/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So dozens of congressmen have asked the DEA not to immediately ban kratom.  The DEA's response will be very telling.  Who really has more sway in the federal government?  Elected congressmen who are supposed to represent the will of the people or the entrenched bureaucracy?

For years now people have been arguing that the federal government is no longer controlled by the visible apparatus of our democratic republic, but rather by unelected officials of the "deep state" or "deep government" who actual pull all the strings behind the scenes regardless of what Congress or the President say and do.  If the DEA says fuck you to all these congressmen it just seems to confirm this idea.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Grey Fox] * 1
    #23682522 - 09/27/16 08:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's odd that the DEA can make something criminal yet cannot make something legal.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23682795 - 09/27/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If the DEA says fuck you to all these congressmen it just seems to confirm this idea.




Perhaps, but their are rules, laws, and regulations that govern the way drugs are scheduled. Should those laws be reversed based on the signatures of congress?  Maybe, maybe not.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: badchad] * 1
    #23683647 - 09/27/16 04:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Walk outside and look around...  take your time and look.

The only thing that needs to be made illegal are the select few who based off whatever 'perception' they have being the "berlin wall" that decides the life of millions.

If you dont like garlic, dont eat any fucking garlic, no need to attempt to banish it from the earth and condemn any soul that chooses to ingest garlic.


One thing these govt folks cant accept, is that one day the training wheels come off.  One day, the baby no longer needs daddys hand to help walk.  One day the eagle leaves the nest, and takes flight.. 

If something is of harm, teach the child not to touch poision ivy, teach him not to poke a wolverine with a 2ft stick.. 

I desire mercy, not sacrifice.  I desire education, not condemnation.

The "primatives" understood/understand this.  Why can't all these better than everyone genetic geniuses that make up this toxic cancer causing "utopia" called "the modern world"..

....ya'll are going to kill the earth.. like cancer.  Eat, consume, glutton, destroy, move on to the next group of people with less effective weapons of violence and repeat..right? 

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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: Amanita86]
    #23683660 - 09/27/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Also @ noone man... you tellin me nobody is on the frontline in regards to lsd, psylocybin, etc, etc, etc?

You are out of your mind..  however if you look, the kratom ban is going on now, and this thread is based on the kratom ban, so one would think the majority of posts are going to be in regards to kratom.  Yea?

Learn some facts..


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: musiclover420]
    #23687892 - 09/28/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I fully agree with that but personally I feel like some things like say Fentanyl and its analogues should be heavily regulated and restricted.

Some things just have such high potential for abuse and very limited legitimate use that I wouldn't want them 100 "legal" really.

They should be available for research and their legitimate uses though.



Fent analogues need to be considered biohazardous chemical weapons if they aren't in possession to someone licensed to carry them.

Ok, well then someone gets caught with cut heroin, so this idea doesn't work. But seriously that's what fent analogues are.

Didn't russia use carfentanyl to knock everyone out in a hostage situation?

Fent analogues have no responsible use for the average citizen. I do supprt every drug being legal, but i agree that fent analogues are way to fucking much to pick up at the "hypothetical walgreens" where you should be able to grab a bottle of L tabs and high quality kratom with a pack of northern lights.:rofl:


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23688021 - 09/28/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I keep seeing people saying you don't get high on kratom. It might sound better to 'the man' to say that but I've certainly gotten 'high' off it.


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Re: Lawmakers ask DEA to delay Kratom ban [Re: lurkmode]
    #23688041 - 09/28/16 07:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Fent analogues need to be considered biohazardous chemical weapons




Yeah exactly, that is essentially what they are sadly. The law could make it illegal to posses them in a pure form, that way people couldn't get in trouble for cut heroin. In fact if heroin was legal people could have their dope tested for fent and analogues prior to using it. That is proper drug control, prohibition clearly has not done the trick.


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I keep seeing people saying you don't get high on kratom. It might sound better to 'the man' to say that but I've certainly gotten 'high' off it.




"High" is subjective. I would consider caffiene and sugar to cause mild "highs" but to many people those are the last things that drugs bring to mind.

Kratom is definitely psychoactive but the blend of effects are so well rounded its not like your doing a strong stimulant or sedative/ narcotic.


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