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Invisiblemjshroomer
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What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem
    #2367543 - 02/22/04 01:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, this creep, whom I and my wife both contributed money to over the years has decided again to run for President of the USA.

Wlll last time the asshole caused Al Gore to lose the election and now the fucker comes back again to run as an independant. Obviously no party will support him or no party will throw their support his way.

I wonder if that fucker works for George Bush's family. He will most likely cause Bush to win re-election and that in itself makes Nadar the Biggest Asshole of the Century.

I despise this man and today mailed his campaign organization my thoughts on this shit.

What does everyone else think about this crap?

mj


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2367606 - 02/22/04 01:41 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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mjshroomer said:
I wonder if that fucker works for George Bush's family.
mj




Same thing crossed my mind. Looks like the powers at be are installing the outcome before the polls even open :thumbdown:.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2367609 - 02/22/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

In 2000 he was making a serious run, and he got his share of votes. Now he won't get so many votes cause people remember 2000. I have no idea what his motivation is. Maybe he thinks he's "cool". Maybe he drives to get off baby.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2367622 - 02/22/04 01:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

he wont be on the ballot in most states..only in states like ohio that the repoops need to win...


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2367669 - 02/22/04 02:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think anything that keeps the current crop of dems out of office is a good thing. GW isn't much better but the continuity of keeping liberals out of the office is important.

Go Ralph!


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2367863 - 02/22/04 02:46 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Go Ralph!




I bet you had your "go ralph nader" bumper sticker on your car weeks ago.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mabus]
    #2367889 - 02/22/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not a user of bumper stickers.

I tattooed it on my forehead.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2367894 - 02/22/04 02:53 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I didn't know he was running this year. I hope he doesn't mess things up too. I'd like to see Bush & co. go.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2368002 - 02/22/04 03:17 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'll be voting for Ralph Nader in November.

I think the concept that Nader cost Gore the election was manufactured by people who want to make sure a 3rd party never gets a foothold.

As long as everyone's turned off by voting 3rd party, we can keep our "two party" system.






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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mjshroomer]
    #2368246 - 02/22/04 04:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I think the people are so tired of Bush that they will realize that it is in every bodies best interest to not vote for Nader. I think that him running as an independent this time will slow down any band wagon that was started.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: Learyfan]
    #2368328 - 02/22/04 04:43 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

The nation's never going to wake up in high enough numbers to overcome our two-party system just by voting for a third-party candidate. Besides, to vote for a third-party candidate, you have to place principles above pragmatism.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: Learyfan]
    #2368372 - 02/22/04 04:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think the concept that Nader cost Gore the election was manufactured by people who want to make sure a 3rd party never gets a foothold. As long as everyone's turned off by voting 3rd party, we can keep our "two party" system.




I also think the argument that Nader lost the 2000 election for Gore is weak, but I do not understand Nader's motivations this time around nor will I support him.

In order for a 3rd party to emerge as a powerful player in American politics, they will need a massive grassroots movement or some sort of massive funding source. Otherwise, they would never raise to the level of the Democratic/Republican parties. If someone like Nader runs for president (the highest position in the land) without any grassroots movement or funding, they will not accomplish much. It seems like a futile exercise of ego, especially when you compare what 3rd electoral campaigns can accomplish in different avenues - local and state or Congressional office.

I do not understand why people will the least chance of winning and with the smallest amount of funding/support waste so much resource and energy running for one of the most unattainable offices in the world. Personally, I think it is simply ego-stroking masscarading as idealism.

I think if Ralph Nader actually desired to work for substancial and sustainable change, he would run for an office that he could at least have a chance to win. Why doesnt he run for a seat in Congress or a state Governor? Why does he continue to shoot for the impossible?

Sure, fuck the two-party stranglehold over the decision-making processes that occur in Washington DC. But at least have a winable and realistic plan that has a possibility of fruiting...Nader has nothing of the sort.

Working on campaigns that will never see victory will only lead to alienation and cynicism and apathy. Nader needs to take a clue from guerilla warefare and realize the importance of fighting winnable battles and building upon such successes.


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    #2368411 - 02/22/04 05:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: Learyfan]
    #2368414 - 02/22/04 05:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I think the concept that Nader cost Gore the election was manufactured by people who want to make sure a 3rd party never gets a foothold.




What third "party" is that? The Nader Party? Didnt the Green Party, the third party option in 2000, pretty much disown Ralph? I wont say a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush, because its not. Its more like a -1 for the dems.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: Xochitl]
    #2368415 - 02/22/04 05:07 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Sure, fuck the two-party stranglehold

Stop whinning, vote nader!


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: Learyfan]
    #2368427 - 02/22/04 05:12 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'll be voting for Ralph Nader in November.

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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mabus]
    #2368566 - 02/22/04 06:01 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Stop whinning, vote nader!




Whining and ego-stroking and sloganeering is all Nader and his following can accomplish without a plan based in reality. Without a plan, there is no victory. Without victory, a movement dies. A dead movement leads to alienation. Alienation leads to defection.

Nader does not have a plan.

Imagine if all of the Nader supporters (I was one) of 1996-2000 had concentrated more on grassroots local, state, and Congressional campaigns instead of "shooting for the stars" by running for the most unattainable office in the world, there would change and resistance and the growing foundation for a successful 3rd party presidential bid.

Because we all focused a majority of our energy on a presidential campaign, there is very little movement and foundation today.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: Xochitl]
    #2368639 - 02/22/04 06:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It all sounds like whinning to me. You have a chance to vote for a third party in Nov and you won't.
concentrated more on grassroots local, state, and Congressional campaigns
Thats even harder than nader winning 04. You can't stop a snake from biting you by stepping on it's tail. You go for the head.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: mabus]
    #2368755 - 02/22/04 07:09 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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Thats even harder than nader winning 04.




Winning state, local, and congressional seats is harder than winning presidency? You are dead wrong.

There are hundreds of 3rd party members in state and local school and government offices. When was the last 3rd party presidential candidate to win? I believe it was Theodore Roosevelt with his Bull Moose party in 1912.

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You can't stop a snake from biting you by stepping on it's tail. You go for the head.




Cute metaphor, but it has no basis in reality. Nader does not even have a chance at "going for the head." In fact, Nader is about 400 miles away from the snake. This is because he is too busy stroking his ego and wasting time/resource with running for president every four years. All he amounts to is spectacle politics.

And besides, if you are so passionate about "cutting the head off the snake," then you would not even bother with electoral politics in the first place. Rather, you'd be interested in direct action (i.e. militant labor strikes, economic sabotage, etc.) Voting for Nader is anything but revolutionary or dangerous to the powers that be - dont kid yourself.


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Re: What the Fuck is Ralph Nadar's Problem [Re: Xochitl]
    #2368905 - 02/22/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Nader didn't cost Gore the Presidency. The illegal Florida purge list did. If everyone who wanted to vote would have been allowed, Gore probably would have won Florida in excess of 10,000 votes.

And don't forget the fucker couldn't even carry his home state.

I also think it's worth mentioning that Nader knows that these presidential races are unwinnable. He's not in them to win. He's in them to do what he can to influence the discourse of the election. If he can use his publicity to at least make Kerry respond to the progressive issues Nader is raising, then he's done his job.

Nader has written that he's a long-distance runner, not a sprinter. The idea is that the strength of his movement and his issues builds up over time, not in one election year.

I, however, do agree that the Green Party and Nader would be well-served to focus on lower offices.


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