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My true, greater self
#23674453 - 09/24/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey everyone. I'm currently a Sophomore studying computer science. My main joy in taking shrooms is the connection to my true self. I feel alive and free like never before - I realize how stagnant, predictable my life is when sober. On shrooms, I am not nervous or afraid anymore; I go after what I want and no one, especially myself, is holding me back from getting it. Connecting with people is so much easier, I'm more cool and confident, my self-esteem is higher, my life is finally what I want it to be. I feel like a grown man.
All I do now is think about how to become this person all the time. How do I reach this mindset? Would opening my third eye help? I want to achieve this as soon as possible - so I don't keep wasting my college days.
Thanks all for reading and understanding.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: swimwithme]
#23674610 - 09/24/16 05:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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fortunately the experience is self limiting and if you are a clever person, you will catch on to that.
you build a life that supports special sessions and those sessions inform the life you build.
you cant stay in the groove but you can return frequently. It's a systems thing.
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I'm sorry. I'm having trouble understanding. What do you mean by self limiting? And special sessions?
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: swimwithme]
#23674746 - 09/24/16 05:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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ha ha you can't go more often than 4 days part way you can't go all the way more often than 90 days apart those are the special days on other days you have to be human
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I know exactly what you mean OP.
It is very much a higher self.
Perhaps it is who we are when the physical is no longer the focus - survival in this physical realm.
..as mushrooms take me to a sacred dimension or at least this real world without filters or survival circuits.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: swimwithme]
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I found meditation extremely helpful for figuring out what was stopping me getting back to that place in my sober life.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: viktor]
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viktor said: I found meditation extremely helpful for figuring out what was stopping me getting back to that place in my sober life.
meaning you go there sober without being stopped?
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My early experiences with seeing beyond were naturally generated as a consequence of schizophrenia.
It's certainly possible to experience the same high you get on a psychedelic without having taken a drug.
It's just very difficult and I have never encountered a reliable formula for getting there.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: swimwithme]
#23675553 - 09/24/16 11:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Psilocybin is an agonist that acts to stimulate and inhibit the sympathetic nervous system(fight or flight).
With that in mind if you want to achieve the same mindset you'll have to learn to mediate the impulses of you sympathetic nervous system by 'letting go' of your instinctive sensations. You'd have to stop listening to the impulses of your gut feelings and start processing experience with only the feelings of your heart and the thoughts in your mind.
Too often our gut instincts are misleading and can end up causing us unnecessary stress.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: sudly]
#23677326 - 09/25/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's gotta be a way to feel this cool and confident even without the mushrooms. When i'm tripping I'm consistently telling myself I am a man. A real man - strong but tender, confident not cocky. This is what being a grown man feels like. Once all the masks and never ending thought cycles are removed, you become your bare self. I remember on my most recent trip, I kept thinking about having a simpler life; less anxiety and problems so that you can truly be your limitless self.
What is it that makes me nervous around cool people, shy around hot girls, afraid to truly express myself to family? What does shrooms do that solves all of these problems for me?
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: swimwithme]
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What is it that makes me nervous around cool people, shy around hot girls, afraid to truly express myself to family? What does shrooms do that solves all of these problems for me?
What makes you nervous is an over stimulated sympathetic nervous system and fight or flight response. This is because in modern times the fight or flight response constantly misfires, e.g. getting nervous when walking through a crowded area.
The fight or flight response was used to warn of physical dangers, nowadays we do not face anywhere near as many physical dangers as we did when our ancestors were still hunter gatherers, so it's going off when there is no real physical danger.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: swimwithme]
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GABA is known to inhibit excitation and Phenibut may be a boon for you.
Suds bit lazy to look it up but my experience is flight/fight response anxiety followed by inhibition after ingesting Psycillycybe. Hows that work?
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: sudly]
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That's a very interesting perspective. Have you had any success with controlling your body's fight or flight response?
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: Jaegar]
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fear is unprepared awareness. it is better to act than re act. fear causes physical effects. part of ordered awareness is learning to identify the effect and its cause. it is then possible to ameliorate the dis ease.
the mind must be trained to intercept the fear response. teach yourself everytime you are afraid, feel the symptoms building physically. know your triggers, such as a barking dog. when a dog barks, turn the fear signal off, re absorb the physical response as fast as possible, control your breathing. become supra aware of what is happening, you are learning an important lesson.
as you gain control of your awareness, your response to a fear can be confined to the mind. there it can further be broken down and eventually dissolved. fear left in the body causes physical dis ease.
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you cannot prepare for unexpected things, but you can practice falling and getting up again.
a fear reaction is too fast to control, or to intercept, but when you are in it's thrall you can begin again to get your footing and continue by beginning again each time you fall or are knocked off your path.
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absolutely false
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a fear reaction is too fast to control, or to intercept
absolutely false
these are your opinions, not facts
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some facts can become opinion, when you know what you are talking about.
who has conquered fear in the moment?
some have performed aggressive and heroic acts in spite of fear, or while afraid, but when fear kicks in the chemistry and mental reflex is really something that does not un start.
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if you expect something then it is not unexpected, that is very simple.
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my claims are from experience
yours are also
many have conquered fear
you have not
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well when was the last time you were afraid?
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it has been a long time, brother. in this life, i have been mostly fear free, which nearly killed me several times. many of my fear free friends did check out rather early.
i have learned to be concerned, then to act.
last fear i can remember is not wanting to disappoint my mother. she had expectations for me that i knew i would not meet. eventually, she kicked me out of her life. we both moved on, and my fear was dead.
we have gunfire around here often. the initial reaction is a break in awareness, then a physical wave of energy, the muscles tensing to flee. cloudy thoughts and shaky hands set in. as the shots continue, dread emerges from the belly, the fear of death.
i experience all the cues for the above, but none of the symptoms. the mind can be trained in this way very easily. fear is a type of awareness, which must be clarified. fear of death is most of the problem. when fear is rightly seen as erroneous, it can be transmuted. it is possible to use the mind to stop the physical feelings of fear. much training must be done. do you have something better to do?
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: viktor]
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viktor said: My early experiences with seeing beyond were naturally generated as a consequence of schizophrenia.
I know what you mean.
Ive always been skeptical of claims that you can achieve similar states of consciousness through things such as transcendental meditation. I wont be ignorant enough to believe its impossible but if it were im sure all of us psychonauts would be putting in the time to achieve such rewards.
That being said i am MUCH more confident in the idea that schizophrenia can generate very similar states.
In my own psychosis episode which lasted a few months, i remember i was 100% sober for a few days and woke up in the middle of the night in a full on level 2(almost level 3)mushroom trip. I was pretty shocked that something like that is possible. But it makes sense cuz apparently scientists looked at the urine of schizophrenics and it was significantly higher in bufotenin levels.
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nothing exists said: it has been a long time, brother. in this life, i have been mostly fear free, which nearly killed me several times. many of my fear free friends did check out rather early.
i have learned to be concerned, then to act.
last fear i can remember is not wanting to disappoint my mother. she had expectations for me that i knew i would not meet. eventually, she kicked me out of her life. we both moved on, and my fear was dead.
we have gunfire around here often. the initial reaction is a break in awareness, then a physical wave of energy, the muscles tensing to flee. cloudy thoughts and shaky hands set in. as the shots continue, dread emerges from the belly, the fear of death.
i experience all the cues for the above, but none of the symptoms. the mind can be trained in this way very easily. fear is a type of awareness, which must be clarified. fear of death is most of the problem. when fear is rightly seen as erroneous, it can be transmuted. it is possible to use the mind to stop the physical feelings of fear. much training must be done. do you have something better to do?
I guess you had a lot of fear to deal with, and you have become how you are. I never had that much of a problem with it.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: viktor]
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viktor said: My early experiences with seeing beyond were naturally generated as a consequence of schizophrenia.
It's certainly possible to experience the same high you get on a psychedelic without having taken a drug.
It's just very difficult and I have never encountered a reliable formula for getting there.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: swimwithme]
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swimwithme said: That's a very interesting perspective. Have you had any success with controlling your body's fight or flight response?
With psilocybin it's easy for a few hours, without drugs the best you can do is learn to selectively ignore some physical sensations and to override them with rationale thought which is easier said than done.
Usually it's the experience of ego death that teaches you how to inhibit your instincts. The only difference is that I would personally call 'ego death' 'sympathetic nervous system inhibition' or 'fight or flight inhibition.'
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: Usually it's the experience of ego death that teaches you how to inhibit your instincts. The only difference is that I would personally call 'ego death' 'sympathetic nervous system inhibition' or 'fight or flight inhibition.'
Not sure how ED experience teaches inhibition of instincts (is this equated to fear, equated to conditioning or what?). Such an experience, at best, indicates that a way of being exists that transcends the ordinary.
Also ED is cognitive while sympathetic nervous system is autonomic, and not engaged with human "circuitry" for learning. (Are you trying to construct a kind of logic around detachment?)
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: sudly]
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The only thing separating the you that you currently act as, from the you you envision during trips, is choice. Hard choices that decide, I want to be THIS easy. Shrooms show the path, but the individual must make the choice.
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ED experience doesn't just teach inhibition of instincts, it is the inhibition of instincts.
I don't know why people call it 'ego death' because it should be called 'ID death' in relation to Freudian terminology.
It's the sympathetic subsection of the autonomic nervous system because the parasympathetic nervous system regulates dietary activities like digestion while the sympathetic nervous system regulates the fight or flight response.
'Ego death' is a very broad term because most people have a different sense of self. Something we all share is instincts and a human nervous system so the physiological explanation of 'ID death' and the inhibition of the sympathetic nervous system from a psilocybin agonist sounds better IMO.
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Re: My true, greater self [Re: SleepyE]
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viktor said: My early experiences with seeing beyond were naturally generated as a consequence of schizophrenia.
I know what you mean.
Ive always been skeptical of claims that you can achieve similar states of consciousness through things such as transcendental meditation. I wont be ignorant enough to believe its impossible but if it were im sure all of us psychonauts would be putting in the time to achieve such rewards.
That being said i am MUCH more confident in the idea that schizophrenia can generate very similar states.
The reason why I never had a bad trip was because I was well familiar with far worse states through having schizophrenia.
Even when a trip went bad, I still laughed.
Being schizophrenic is like an ego death experience because it can be so hellishly painful that one is forced to let go or die.
If you've ever been through that, then a trip is sheer bliss.
To my mind, schizophrenia and a psychedelic trip are almost the same thing.
In both cases, one sees beyond and one's current conditioning/programming is shattered.
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sudly said: ED experience doesn't just teach inhibition of instincts, it is the inhibition of instincts.
I don't know why people call it 'ego death' because it should be called 'ID death' in relation to Freudian terminology.
It's the sympathetic subsection of the autonomic nervous system because the parasympathetic nervous system regulates dietary activities like digestion while the sympathetic nervous system regulates the fight or flight response.
'Ego death' is a very broad term because most people have a different sense of self. Something we all share is instincts and a human nervous system so the physiological explanation of 'ID death' and the inhibition of the sympathetic nervous system from a psilocybin agonist sounds better IMO.
- so basically you are agreeing that your other statement about ED teaching is not true
- you want to redefine the term ED
- and you presume that mention of parasympathetic relating to smooth muscle coordination validates your statements about sympathetic nervous system (being trainable).
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redgreenvines said: I guess you had a lot of fear to deal with, and you have become how you are. I never had that much of a problem with it.
i guess you dont have very good reading comprehension.
luckily, you seem fine living in fear
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fear is a very strong motivator, bullies often establish dominance by pushing their solution free samples - no problem!
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indeed, i will step out of your way, since your posts in this thread have been so helpful. continue, psychonaut
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The reason why I never had a bad trip was because I was well familiar with far worse states through having schizophrenia.
Even when a trip went bad, I still laughed.
Being schizophrenic is like an ego death experience because it can be so hellishly painful that one is forced to let go or die.
If you've ever been through that, then a trip is sheer bliss.
To my mind, schizophrenia and a psychedelic trip are almost the same thing.
In both cases, one sees beyond and one's current conditioning/programming is shattered.
I think the process of learning to let go of control in psychedelic ego death experiences could be valuable for paranoid schizophrenics. Perhaps changing their paranoia into pronoia
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Until I tripped I didn't know it was possible to not be paranoid.
My mind was permanently in a state of heightened fear and I didn't even know.
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The feeling that I'm spite of personal feeling, you Will be OK, is very revealing and reassuring.
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Yeah it was like God told me that it would all be okay. I still had all the same fears and anxieties, it was just that underneath it all I knew it would be okay.
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I wouldn't knock yourself down and give this notion to God. It came from you, inside you understand this idea, whether embrace it or not in your daily life though, that is much different. If you normally do not, it is natural that this feeling seems to come from somewhere than you. It doesn't, it comes from a part of you that just doesn't get a very big voice in your day to day. Consciously change that and things may change.
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viktor try realising the Self if you haven't, it's very good for mental health, and there isn't much else to do if your brain is compromised.
The Self is realised by simply becoming one with the process of being, by putting your best foot forward and being what you are without hesitation.
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- so basically you are agreeing that your other statement about ED teaching is not true
- you want to redefine the term ED
- and you presume that mention of parasympathetic relating to smooth muscle coordination validates your statements about sympathetic nervous system (being trainable).
I think the experience of ED is the inhibition of instincts and the experience can have lessons taken from it.
I want to better define 'ED' to 'IDD' because the term 'ED' is broad and not physiologically specific.
The parasympathetic nervous system is for digestion and I was defining it from the sympathetic.
What I think validates my point is that psilocybin is an agonist that can act to both stimulate or inhibit the response ability of the sympathetic nervous system.
I think with any ED experience an individual can become more aware of and have more control over how to manage their impulses by memorising the sensations they've experienced.
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ok sudly, sympathetic nervous system is not defined by parasympathetic, it is related to amplifying responses like amphetamine does, in fact that whole class of drugs are called sympathomimetic.
psilocybin does not depress the sympathetic nervous system, in fact all the tryptamines and lysergics have some sympathomimetic behavior, all of the psychedelics are just a wee bit speedy.
I agree the term Ego Loss is too broad, indiscriminately applied to dosage, to specific sensations, or to the extreme state of inebriation "amnesia".
I think it is more of an intellectual feed back loop with supporting body sensation that resonates beneficial attitude and selflessness. You only have to be moderately stoned to engage this, you don't even need to be stoned on drugs. The drug culture has created and perverted the interpretation over the last 50 years or so.
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The sympathetic nervous system is defined from the parasympathetic section and I'm not disagreeing that it is related to amplifying responses in fact I'm saying the sympathetic nervous system is responsible for the fight or flight response.

I'm saying that psilocybin is related to amplifying/inhibiting the responses of the sympathetic nervous system.
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But I am God! So I have myself to thank and to blame.
Re: beforethedawn, I think a lot about Taoism, and how that way of thinking promotes moving when it's time to move, and staying still when it's time to stay still. I find it very helpful.
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sudly said: The sympathetic nervous system is defined from the parasympathetic section and I'm not disagreeing that it is related to amplifying responses in fact I'm saying the sympathetic nervous system is responsible for the fight or flight response.

I'm saying that psilocybin is related to amplifying/inhibiting the responses of the sympathetic nervous system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sympathomimetic_drug
the tryptamines and lysergimides are slightly sympathomimetic, the phenethylamines (cactus, 2ci etc.) are more so, however they are highly psychedelic which means that the rising and falling of phenomena in the mind are enhanced with slower fading which encourages sustained reverberence and feedback looping. along with some sympathomimetic push, this can quickly escalate to fear - but that is not a necessary response: sympathomimetic feelings include euphoria, which is a whole different direction of responding to waves of sustained sensations and ideas.
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Edited by redgreenvines (10/04/16 02:18 PM)
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