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Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT?
    #23674319 - 09/24/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just read through a fascinating book called "Sativa Psychonaut: Exploring the Deep Mind and Universe with Cannabis Sativa" by Kirk Packwood. The book claims Cannabis sativa can be as powerful of a visionary psychedelic as DMT, ayahuasca, and mushrooms. I've had a few experiences over the years that were pretty impressive, but people always told me cannabis is not a psychedelic, at least not in the visionary sense. Has anybody else had awesome visionary experiences with Cannabis sativa?

https://www.amazon.com/Sativa-Psychonaut-Exploring-Universe-Cannabis-ebook/dp/B01LYA63DR/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474793939&sr=8-1&keywords=sativa+psychonaut


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] * 1
    #23674379 - 09/24/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: psilocybinjunkie] * 1
    #23674396 - 09/24/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well that was a fascinating reply.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] * 1
    #23674418 - 09/24/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I smoked DMT last night and was perceiving a hidden dimension behind me with entities and was worried an entity was going to fuck with my chair and pull me inside their world.

cant say ive ever experienced anything like that with weed :lol:


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SleepyE]
    #23674458 - 09/24/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly, that is kind of my point and what was so interesting about this book. It says that people just aren't smoking cannabis right. People in the modern world have forgotten what people in the past always knew - Cannabis can be as potent as DMT when 'done right'. And I have seen a few hints that he might be right.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23674482 - 09/24/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For example, watch this video - it's long buts it's great:


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] * 2
    #23674515 - 09/24/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well that was a fascinating reply.



I have smoked over 10 ounces of Sativa dom in the last year and it has never been even remotely close to any trip, or psychedelic experience i've ever had. Smoking weed while tripping on shrooms or something else though :awecid:


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23674577 - 09/24/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Weed has put me in to states where I get certain kinds of CEVs. Not super prominent but they are there. If you really want to compare it to DMT, weed with an MAOI can be interesting. If you had no tolerance and took a high dose of your MAOI, I could see there being as much as some kind of entity contact. Consuming a weed tincture of some kind or even dabbing would probably help a lot with that. Weed and rue made for some fucking weird visuals, almost like salvia with the crazy repeating fractalizing kaleidoscope of random images with a flair of mirror symmetry. This is without the salvia confusion and it's very clear. I could 'feel' these funnels of air, as if it was a kind of radiating energy and I was heavily depersonalized.

A lot of people don't agree but I see weed as being slightly psychedelic.. but it also has other properties. Sedation, stimulation, low dose dissociative properties.. It's just weed. It might be hard to categorize but it's definitely an potent chemical of it's own kind that tends to be abused. Even alcohol can be a euphoric, introspective, and childlike experience, but so many do it far too often and in the wrong setting. I've compared that experience to a low dose of LSA before.

So weed might not be DMT, fuck I'm glad it's not I love weed. It certainly accompanies all my experiences in a good way though, and if I'm looking to put the mental effort in to making the most out of the right high while I have it, then it's there.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #23674631 - 09/24/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hey I love that glowing smiley-face thing.

The book says it's in the set and setting - and the key is to smoke a little bit of weed every day, like a few puffs only, over the course of a couple of weeks to build up spiritual vibrations. Then something about focusing on seed images behind closed eyelids.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23674640 - 09/24/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting. At least you recognize weed has some psychedelic properties. Most people don't.

If you look into the history of Cannabis use, there's a lot of evidence supporting the author's claims. Chinese Taoist sorcerers used to use Cannabis to summon the apparitions of demons and spirits to visible appearance. Much more I could list, but it would take forever. Very small amounts over weeks and the spiritual vibration builds up. Then the spirits of Cannabis (?) show up to introduce the user to the visionary spirit realms.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #23674909 - 09/24/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

SleepyE said:
I smoked DMT last night and was perceiving a hidden dimension behind me with entities and was worried an entity was going to fuck with my chair and pull me inside their world.

cant say ive ever experienced anything like that with weed :lol:



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Well, you know though, psilocybinjunkie has always been the local rocket scientist.  More nauseating than most, and pretentious about it.  It's pretty sweet.  Psilocybinjunkie!


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23674914 - 09/24/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Annoying and confrontational for years, and everyone remembers the avatar.
 

He/she is pretty innocuous and hip though!


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23675110 - 09/24/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Unfortunately when I smoke weed I develop psychotic symptoms and get some extent of brain damage from the "spread" of schizophrenia.

However...

When I was high I had the most visionary thoughts, beautiful day dreams and fantasies.

So good...

Wish I didn't get sick from it. Amazing stuff.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23675147 - 09/24/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Cool. That's what I'm talking about. I have had those kinds of experiences myself. Sometimes I would travel spirit worlds after smoking Cannabis, but it had to be a sativa-heavy strain.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23675184 - 09/24/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I ate some cookies last night witch was around 3.5 to 4 g AK47 and I had these weird sensations when I closed my eyes. Kinda like a tumbling feeling and I had somewhat CEVs I guess. It was like weird colored nets that were kinda swirling but it was super faint and would only last a couple seconds at a time. Tho cannabis has never produced anything close to a DMT trip for me at all. Let alone any psychedelic really.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23675197 - 09/24/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ah... interesting. Sounds like a psychedelic seed image. Next time that happens to you, focus your attention on those colored nets. Let them expand in your mind. You may be amazed at what happens next.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23675198 - 09/24/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't think it could induce such effects in terms of visuals but possibly similar states of mind.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
    #23675351 - 09/24/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I ate 3 gram's of sticky bubble hash while withdrawing from opiates two years ago and had crazy psychedelic trip followed by ambulance ride and 11 days in psych ward. Been daily user for 25 years, but lost my mind after this trip. Too much of a good thing can be bad.

I was trying to knock myself out by cooking hash into oil and then made into hot chocolate and drinking it. Didn't work that way, THC can be pretty intense when eaten in large amounts but the paranoia and delusion can be a problem. I laughed halfway to hospital and tried to get the ambulance to go through McDonald's drive through to get food. I was halfway crazy from cold turkey opiate withdrawal also.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Headrush]
    #23675401 - 09/24/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Interesting. You could try the opposite approach. Smoke so little daily that you can't even feel any effects. This author says a couple of 'puffs' a night is enough. Keep that up for 2 or 3 weeks. You might start having psychedelic visual experiences behind closed eyes.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23675566 - 09/24/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

for me cannabis is very powerful ive had deep insights into reality on it, just like with LSD or mushrooms. But cannabis is never as visual.

btw i cant find the book. did google search.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23675613 - 09/25/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm new here so I wasn't sure if I could put in a link. But here's a link:
https://www.amazon.com/Sativa-Psychonaut-Exploring-Universe-Cannabis-ebook/dp/B01LYA63DR/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1474784058&sr=1-1&keywords=sativa+psychonaut

Otherwise, just search for it on Amazon.com

Yeah I've had some pretty deep insights with Cannabis also, even some visual experiences. It seems to be a matter of smoking it with the intent to raise your spiritual vibration and not smoking it for any immediate effects really like getting high. When it's smoked in really small amounts with spiritual intent sometimes that intent gets rewarded with visions.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23675668 - 09/25/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Both weed and mdma give me definite CEVs. However, they are just either cascades of simple geometric shapes or afterimages of things I just saw. They are not the complex thought scenery of psychedelics.

Actually I think every drug can be psychedelic to me because I'm on the spectrum and my brain makes Bufetenine.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23675699 - 09/25/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I never get visuals on weed, but I also barely get visuals on psychedelics generally, yet to try dmt though. My feeling is no, weed can never go as far as lsd, shrooms, or especially dmt from what I hear.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23675740 - 09/25/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For me cannabis is a very powerful psychedelic. More powerful than mushrooms or LSD. I've had hundreds of breakthrough experiences on cannabis, just like someone could have on DMT.

But my brain is neuro-atypical, so effects like that are very uncommon.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23675748 - 09/25/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds a lot like me. What do you mean by your brain is neuro-atypical - how do you know?  It seems like Cannabis effects me in ways it doesn't for a lot people, too. See how many people here don't think Cannabis is a psychedelic? For me it's easier to get psychedelic visions off weed than to get high off it.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23675751 - 09/25/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DMT is something else even after eating 1000mg of THC shatter it does not come close for me.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23675756 - 09/25/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Agreed. But one of the key points people are missing is that to get the visionary potential of Cannabis sativa it might work better to take the opposite approach. Smoke just a tiny bit of Cannabis every night, not enough to even feel anything. Make this a daily ritual. After a few weeks your spiritual vibration may rise high enough to start having the intense (yet still chill-relaxed) vision-trips.

Think of it this way. Cannabis sativa may have 2 sets of effects.

SET 1: All the traditional things people smoke Cannabis for. To get high. To relax. To have deep thoughts. Creativity. Energy. You get SET 1 effects by smoking a lot of Cannabis or eating it or whatever.

SET 2: Spiritual effects. When smoking for spiritual effects you do not expect or even necessarily want to feel anything physical - no immediate effects. Thus, you smoke very small amounts daily - like literally a puff or two. Keep this up for a few weeks and your spiritual power/vibration/connection rises to the point where you start to experience SET 2 effects. Full-fledged psychedelic visionary images of deep complexity, astral travel, universal travel, meeting with spirit beings... etc. I've experienced it myself. I know it can work.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23675829 - 09/25/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You trolling bro? This theory is ridiculous. No one in here has broken through on MJ, at least not on the level of a DMT breakthrough. Sure cannabis is psychedelic, but I wouldn't call it spiritual. And taking a couple puffs every night would be an illogical approach. If anything, you'd want like a month+ sobriety followed by a catatonic dose. The cannabis coma would be pretty intense but still not comparable to a proper dmt breakthrough.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
    #23675840 - 09/25/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

First, it's not a theory. I already know it works as I do it regularly. So I am looking at this from a perspective that you just don't have. You're missing the whole point of my posts! The deeper meaning in them is there but you're not seeing it!

A brief study of the history of the spiritual use of Cannabis shows Cannabis was used to: 1) Summon spirits to visible appearance  2) Summon demons to visible appearance  3) Contact the dead (necromancy)  4) For shamanic journeys to the spirit realm.  (and I'm not talking about in combination with other drugs)

The previous two paragraphs are facts.

Every valid revolution in thought/practice is mocked before it's accepted. The really annoying thing is, it shouldn't even be a revolution. Cannabis is very spiritual but people in the modern world just don't even hardly understand how 'to do' spiritual anymore.
Cannabis users are so brainwashed by cannabis culture and what cannabis is supposed to be able to do and not do that they can't even see the immense psychedelic potential of the plant.

It's not the dose of the drug that activates the spiritual visions as much as it is the SPIRITS! That's why a smaller dose works way better than a larger dose.

Did you watch the video I linked to? The guy in the video is someone who knows what he's talking about. He's been working with ayahuasca in the amazon for years and he says Cannabis can serve the same purpose!

Did you read the book?

Did you see the book by Alex Grey coming out in a couple of months called: Cannabis and Spirituality: An Explorer's Guide to an Ancient Plant Spirit Ally?

Did you see the previous poster say he has broken through on Cannabis (maybe he was trolling, I don't know, but it doesn't matter)?

It's not like I'm the only one saying this. But even if I was, one person is all it takes to speak the truth.

It's the spirits, my dudes/dudettes! This isn't science. It's shamanism.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23675868 - 09/25/16 05:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Whenever I smoke weed or dabs I get brought to a very shroom like headspace and will start to have pretty weird flashbacks. With a few trippy quirks specifically just to THC as well. Sometimes I have some small visual hallucinations too, but it's never anything super noticeable. Marijuana is definitely a psychedelic, and  it can get decently intense sometimes (especially at night) but there's no way it could ever give you as intense of an experience by itself as the substances you listed. I didn't even start being able to actually "trip" on it until after I tried mushrooms. It's almost like the mushrooms unlocked some sort of secret door in my brain. All it would do before was just relax me and make me hungry. I find it pretty interesting.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23675932 - 09/25/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've been smoking over 15 years and I've had very prominent closed eye visuals a few times.
Once or twice when I first started, but the most intense occasions were in the past few years after a week or two tolerance break. That relapse can send you into hyperspace.
It's intense though and there are easier ways of getting to the same place. It's like entering a marathon wearing hiking boots. Why do that when you can get some free Pumas (mushrooms)?

Just to add, the very most intense time was from smoking Amnesia Haze after a week break. This is a sativa heavy hybrid.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Psilocypher]
    #23675981 - 09/25/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

smoking hindu kush I've noticed can get you some faint CEVs going

first time I smoke it I swore I was hearing noises that weren't there as well.. quite strange for an indica


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: cube talk]
    #23676025 - 09/25/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was quite trippy always from haze .

Try out Chocolope Strain


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    #23676042 - 09/25/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

chocolope is to fucking good


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SonicTitan]
    #23676057 - 09/25/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nice that you met Chocolope!

In spain we have some of the good strains :wink:

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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] * 1
    #23676058 - 09/25/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

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First, it's not a theory. I already know it works as I do it regularly. So I am looking at this from a perspective that you just don't have. You're missing the whole point of my posts! The deeper meaning in them is there but you're not seeing it!

A brief study of the history of the spiritual use of Cannabis shows Cannabis was used to: 1) Summon spirits to visible appearance  2) Summon demons to visible appearance  3) Contact the dead (necromancy)  4) For shamanic journeys to the spirit realm.  (and I'm not talking about in combination with other drugs)

The previous two paragraphs are facts.

Every valid revolution in thought/practice is mocked before it's accepted. The really annoying thing is, it shouldn't even be a revolution. Cannabis is very spiritual but people in the modern world just don't even hardly understand how 'to do' spiritual anymore.
Cannabis users are so brainwashed by cannabis culture and what cannabis is supposed to be able to do and not do that they can't even see the immense psychedelic potential of the plant.

It's not the dose of the drug that activates the spiritual visions as much as it is the SPIRITS! That's why a smaller dose works way better than a larger dose.

Did you watch the video I linked to? The guy in the video is someone who knows what he's talking about. He's been working with ayahuasca in the amazon for years and he says Cannabis can serve the same purpose!

Did you read the book?

Did you see the book by Alex Grey coming out in a couple of months called: Cannabis and Spirituality: An Explorer's Guide to an Ancient Plant Spirit Ally?

Did you see the previous poster say he has broken through on Cannabis (maybe he was trolling, I don't know, but it doesn't matter)?

It's not like I'm the only one saying this. But even if I was, one person is all it takes to speak the truth.

It's the spirits, my dudes/dudettes! This isn't science. It's shamanism.



You clearly haven't even tried DMT because if you had you wouldn't be arguing this theory. Why waste your time reading books and speculating when you can go try right now and see for yourself that they're not the same experience. I can understand the comparison between cannabis and ayahuasca, they're both motherly energies and drawn out experiences. But comparing vaporized cannabis to vaporized DMT is where I think you're totally wrong.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23676105 - 09/25/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Ah... interesting. Sounds like a psychedelic seed image. Next time that happens to you, focus your attention on those colored nets. Let them expand in your mind. You may be amazed at what happens next.



Its nothing that introspective or attention grabbing. I've eaten a ton of weed and never experience psychedelic effects.. I guess I should have mentioned I was also on MDMA up until the afternoon of that day. That probably played a part in that, but even then I wouldnt really say it was a real psychedelic visual. I'm sure being sober and laying down in the dark could produce the same thing.
The most "visual" experience I had from weed was when I greened out one time and everything turned really bright and blurry and everything felt like it was spinning hard.
I really dont think THC or CBD can produce anything close to a DMT trip. Maybe if it was an extreme pure concentrate of THC in a raw form.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23676521 - 09/25/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sounds a lot like me. What do you mean by your brain is neuro-atypical - how do you know?  It seems like Cannabis effects me in ways it doesn't for a lot people, too. See how many people here don't think Cannabis is a psychedelic? For me it's easier to get psychedelic visions off weed than to get high off it.




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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
    #23676534 - 09/25/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You trolling bro? This theory is ridiculous. No one in here has broken through on MJ, at least not on the level of a DMT breakthrough. Sure cannabis is psychedelic, but I wouldn't call it spiritual. And taking a couple puffs every night would be an illogical approach. If anything, you'd want like a month+ sobriety followed by a catatonic dose. The cannabis coma would be pretty intense but still not comparable to a proper dmt breakthrough.




I've broken through on weed hundreds of times. I have to be very careful with my cannabis intake, because it's so intense for me, and the dosage curve is so steep. Smoking a few hits is comparable to taking a few grams of mushrooms, smoking an entire bowl is a guarantee that I will travel to an alternate dimension and make contact with entities.

It's just a matter of brain chemistry. Every brain is a little different, and some very few of them are able to get effects like that from cannabis.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23676543 - 09/25/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What would you describe that experience like? Visually, and what exactly a breakthrough experience on cannabis entails. Does it feel soft and fuzzy to you at that point or does the weed have a nasty edge when you hit the spot? I'm genuinely curious.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676550 - 09/25/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For me a breakthrough on cannabis is the best sensation i had on it.

You feel one with everything and it kinda has the ffects from shrooms :wink:


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23676560 - 09/25/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I know what you mean, and maybe it's because I've smoked weed on so many of my trips (almost all in fact), but sometimes I wonder if the psychedelics are magnifying the weed rather than the opposite which is often assumed as true.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23676569 - 09/25/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty crazy. Has weed always effected you like that, or did it start doing that to you after a good amount of psychedelic use?


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    #23676743 - 09/25/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What would you describe that experience like? Visually, and what exactly a breakthrough experience on cannabis entails. Does it feel soft and fuzzy to you at that point or does the weed have a nasty edge when you hit the spot? I'm genuinely curious.




It's usually very similar each time. First everything becomes brighter and more distinct, my ability to focus increases and I find myself fixating on visual objects for long periods of time. Colors begin to distort. Then time begins to slow down. If I close my eyes I see geometric two dimensional visuals.

I start to see symbolic objects in the place of the actual physical objects that surround me. So if I look at a chair, I might not see the chair as it actually is, but rather series of chairs with which I am very familiar, or which are particularly aesthetically pleasing. If I close my eyes I see beautiful three dimensional visuals of organic objects.

As time continues to slow, I find that my perception of my visual field is no longer continuous, but rather occurring in discrete fields, like a very slow frame rate in a video game. While this is happening the symbolic objects with which the real world objects around me have been replaced become more abstract. Rather than seeing another chair in place of the chair in front of me, I will see something that makes me feel the way the chair makes me feel. So if my feet are tired from standing, when I look at the chair I might see a patch of soft grass in the warm sun on a pleasant day.

At this point it is very difficult to function. I have no idea of the actual layout of my surroundings because I can't see them. My sense of space is so warped that I can't tell which direction is up or down, and I may find myself trying to walk into the ground, so I usually try to take a seat or lie down before this happens so I don't hurt myself.

Time slows almost to a stop and I am no longer aware of my external environment. If there is a difference between my open eye visuals and my closed eye visuals I am not aware of it because I can't tell if my eyes are open or closed. I begin to lose all sense of my body as my visuals intensify and it feels as if my consciousness is being transported through some usually unknown dimension to some other realm.

My consciousness takes on the form of a highly complex multidimensional being and makes contact with other similar beings in this other realm. Some of the beings feel familiar to me, but others are so vast and complex that they are frighteningly beyond my ability to comprehend them. My perception of time is so slow at this point that it feels like I spend decades or even centuries in this place before I slowly return to consensus reality by following this process in reverse, but over a longer period of time.

The entire process takes about three hours, with about a 5-10 minute come up, 30 minutes - 1 hour of peak, and about 2 hours or so of come down.

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That's pretty crazy. Has weed always effected you like that, or did it start doing that to you after a good amount of psychedelic use?




Yeah it's always been like that. Which made it very surprising and scary the first time I smoked weed.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23676835 - 09/25/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's amazing, I didn't think a person actually could go that deep with just weed. And you go that deep smoking just one bowl? Are the entities you encounter similar to DMT entities in any way?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23676840 - 09/25/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have a similar experience to Healing when you breakthrough OP?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23676881 - 09/25/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That's amazing, I didn't think a person actually could go that deep with just weed. And you go that deep smoking just one bowl? Are the entities you encounter similar to DMT entities in any way?




I don't know. The only time I tried DMT it didn't work because of my medications.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23676919 - 09/25/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've had a threshold experience in synergy with meditation after ripping five consecutive bong rips of high grade Sativa. ..pineapple express to be exact.

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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23677316 - 09/25/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

so what kinda weed was this?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23677703 - 09/25/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well that was a fascinating reply.



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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23678156 - 09/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had a threshold experience in synergy with meditation after ripping five consecutive bong rips of high grade Sativa. ..pineapple express to be exact.

Thread:https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20726876/page/5




This is an important point. It may be the case that meditation is a key unlocking the psychedelic potential of Cannabis. Maybe I meditate when I take Cannabis without realizing I am meditating - kind of a natural response kind of thing.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
    #23678169 - 09/25/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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First, it's not a theory. I already know it works as I do it regularly. So I am looking at this from a perspective that you just don't have. You're missing the whole point of my posts! The deeper meaning in them is there but you're not seeing it!

A brief study of the history of the spiritual use of Cannabis shows Cannabis was used to: 1) Summon spirits to visible appearance  2) Summon demons to visible appearance  3) Contact the dead (necromancy)  4) For shamanic journeys to the spirit realm.  (and I'm not talking about in combination with other drugs)

The previous two paragraphs are facts.

Every valid revolution in thought/practice is mocked before it's accepted. The really annoying thing is, it shouldn't even be a revolution. Cannabis is very spiritual but people in the modern world just don't even hardly understand how 'to do' spiritual anymore.
Cannabis users are so brainwashed by cannabis culture and what cannabis is supposed to be able to do and not do that they can't even see the immense psychedelic potential of the plant.

It's not the dose of the drug that activates the spiritual visions as much as it is the SPIRITS! That's why a smaller dose works way better than a larger dose.

Did you watch the video I linked to? The guy in the video is someone who knows what he's talking about. He's been working with ayahuasca in the amazon for years and he says Cannabis can serve the same purpose!

Did you read the book?

Did you see the book by Alex Grey coming out in a couple of months called: Cannabis and Spirituality: An Explorer's Guide to an Ancient Plant Spirit Ally?

Did you see the previous poster say he has broken through on Cannabis (maybe he was trolling, I don't know, but it doesn't matter)?

It's not like I'm the only one saying this. But even if I was, one person is all it takes to speak the truth.

It's the spirits, my dudes/dudettes! This isn't science. It's shamanism.



You clearly haven't even tried DMT because if you had you wouldn't be arguing this theory. Why waste your time reading books and speculating when you can go try right now and see for yourself that they're not the same experience. I can understand the comparison between cannabis and ayahuasca, they're both motherly energies and drawn out experiences. But comparing vaporized cannabis to vaporized DMT is where I think you're totally wrong.




Well that's a more fair argument. Ayahuasca and Cannabis may be more similar than DMT and Cannabis. It's DMT-like in the types of entities which can be seen, though. I see a lot of extraterrestrials and extradimensional beings, for example.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23678192 - 09/25/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you have a similar experience to Healing when you breakthrough OP?




I'm not sure what you mean by Healing. I do feel a little healed by the experiences though. For a couple of different reasons, I am not able to travel as much as I would like to. I was legitimately down about my lack of travel because I wanted to see the world. But then I started having visions with Cannabis (Cannabis sativa, specifically Grapefruit but have had luck with other Sativa heavy strains). Honestly, the trips to "SpiritLand" are more interesting to me than any but the most interesting of worldly locations. So I am no longer nearly so down about not being able to travel much.

I am also healed in the sense that I realize (once again) that I am a part of a much vaster universe with spiritual meaning and purpose. It helps to offset the negative aspects of materiality to some degree.



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Do you have a similar experience to Healing when you breakthrough OP?




Oh, sorry, you meant the poster Healing, not healing in general. Healing's experiences sound much more intense than mine. My experiences are heavy on the visions and low on the stress. I close my eyes and it's like spiritual/extraterrestrial movies start playing. They can last for hours. They're really cool, but there's little stress involved. Some visions are so amazing in their color and complexity. Sometimes I encounter what appear to be living spirits. They move around, look at me from different angles, etc. And they always look really, really awesome.

Interestingly, I get very light symptoms of paranoid Schizophrenia on occasion. Much less now than when I was younger. Healing mentioned Schizoaffective disorder.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23681732 - 09/26/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

After reading this thread I had powerful visionary experience on cannabis myself.

I listened to ayahuasca icaros after smoking hash and it felt like the spirit of ayahuasca (which I have never taken) came upon me. I felt its serpent energy slithering all over me and then I had kundalini awakening and powerful visionary experience. I regretted it, but maybe it was for the best.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23681802 - 09/26/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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After reading this thread I had powerful visionary experience on cannabis myself.

I listened to ayahuasca icaros after smoking hash and it felt like the spirit of ayahuasca (which I have never taken) came upon me. I felt its serpent energy slithering all over me and then I had kundalini awakening and powerful visionary experience. I regretted it, but maybe it was for the best.




Interesting. Sounds a lot like what Hamilton Souther was talking about in the video - that the spirits of Cannabis and ayahuasca work to open the same kind of shamanic space when done right. How come you regretted it?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23681813 - 09/27/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

dang i wish I got those kind of effects... I'm usually disappointed by even psychedelics. I guess higher doses are in order


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23681832 - 09/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Absolutely! Just putting in my personal bit here, I experienced pronounce change in both my meditation and weed highs after taking shroomies for the first time. However, ever since then, when I smoke weed I see constant morphing visuals when I close my eyes and peoples auras when I look at them, which have actually made me feel fairly psychotic because these things can get very intense.
Just the other day I was taken into a journey laying down where I felt each cosmic leap from one thought to another as I directed my mind's energy, just after a couple fat vape bowls. Marijuana is pretty trippy


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23681918 - 09/27/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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dang i wish I got those kind of effects... I'm usually disappointed by even psychedelics. I guess higher doses are in order




I don't know your personal situation/mindset at all. But what I have found is that deep-seated social conditioning can be strong enough to literally block spirituality. Higher doses would probably help you have psychedelic experiences (be careful with your doses though), but if you're looking for spiritual experiences I have found less is more. The intent is important and even if you are feeling no effects at first you may be raising your spiritual vibration in a way you can't detect until at some point you have a breakthrough. I get my spiritual experiences off very little Cannabis. So little that I don't feel any immediate traditional kinds of effects.


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dang i wish I got those kind of effects... I'm usually disappointed by even psychedelics. I guess higher doses are in order




I don't know your personal situation/mindset at all. But what I have found is that deep-seated social conditioning can be strong enough to literally block spirituality. Higher doses would probably help you have psychedelic experiences (be careful with your doses though), but if you're looking for spiritual experiences I have found less is more. The intent is important and even if you are feeling no effects at first you may be raising your spiritual vibration in a way you can't detect until at some point you have a breakthrough. I get my spiritual experiences off very little Cannabis. So little that I don't feel any immediate traditional kinds of effects.




I'm not sure its even a lack of spiritual experiences per-say, I mean for me psychedelics are always mostly mental, and visuals take a back seat -even when I have them I often ignore them and focus on the thoughts- but when sober, its always the visuals and entities I long for

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    #23681946 - 09/27/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I still wonder whether my magic mushroom experiences opened up a previously locked door in my mind that makes it easier for me to experience the spiritual aspects of other substances. Sometimes it seems like this is the case. I also wonder whether it opened other doors in my mind related to spiritual powers.


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I was at a party last night and the owner had announced that he had marijuana dabs and was offering free $1 hits. I've only done marijuana twice prior and figured that I couldn't get much higher than I was the first time. So I accepted and threw him $5 to get five times the dollar hit, which translated to 0.05 grams in my area. He used the titanium vaporizer that you heat up with a blowtorch and a metal stylus to hold the dab while I pulled out of a water pipe. It tasted like lemon pine sol smells and gave me a tickle in the back of my throat, but I didn't cough.

Now, when I'm high, I pace a lot back and forth and talk non stop. It was cramped in the room and I could feel myself coming up, so I shifted sideways from foot to foot like a grandfather clock. Everything was fine until I realized I didn't know how long it had been. I was still rocking side to side, and it had felt like it had been at least 6 hours. I asked my friend who sold it to me and he reported it had been about six or seven minutes. Although I was in disbelief, I asked how long it would last. He told me at least a couple of hours. At that point I absolutely flipped out. There was no way I could do this for five hours, no way. As I was contemplating suicide, I noticed that I was no longer myself, I was grownup Tommy from Rugrats. A person passed by that appeared to be Stu, but with orange hair. I was still in the room and rocking and felt like I was setting time for the universe. I was like a universal grandfather clock setting the eventual march toward heat death. The next few things that happened were a distinct blur of existentialism.

I sat on the mattress on the floor and realized that the room was starting to twist into some sort of odd, impossible shape. I laid down and asked my friend, J, who sold it to me, how long it had been. "forty minutes" he said, half smirking. I couldn't believe it. Since I had stopped shifting, my sense of time had left me. I didn't even know what time was at that point. Just as I closed my eyes, someone else in another universe woke up and shouted confirmation that he was now alive. His best friend was there and nodded in approval. The former character was in a hammock on the Avatar movie world, inside the tree of life. He was a mix of human, and robotic from the movie 'I, Robot'. It was a big day for him. He was of age and he partook in the customary, nameless drug that woke you up as if he were living in The Matrix before. It was only now that he truly lived. His best friend, just a little older than he, nodded in approval like a father would to a son who just started walking. I had now become that person. but I was not him. I had become a conscious entity in his universe and had injected myself into his temple to life and give life to this shell. At that point, we were one in the same. We could not exist without each other, but we were somehow completely separate. I opened my eyes and realized another friend had come into the room and was attempting to comfort me. I knew her name and who she was, but her face seemed unfamiliar. I couldn't recognize anything about her, but I knew her.

I closed my eyes again and the rest seemed like a blur. Every few minutes the reality my consciousness was inhabiting would disintegrate and change into a new one, perhaps a little closer to reality. At this point, I didn't even understand the concept of reality or of self. It was this far-fetched idea of singularity in an infinite array of universes. It was simply impossible, I decided. Reality disintegrated and I was thrust at light speed into another, where I was made of bars comprised completely of electronic energy. My being was simply comprised of bars that glowed red and pulsed with energy. It all melted before my eyes and I opened my eyes to enter a reality where I was in the cinematography stylings of the movie SuperBad. Everything had a brown, muted overtone. I was just a kid. maybe sixteen in age, and I looked it. I felt naive and got up from the bed. I stumbled into what appeared to be a highschool party in the house. As I set my hand down on the table, I realized that reality had changed, but I had accepted my residence in the prior reality. I looked up and saw J. He looked pleased and I exclaimed "I live in this reality?!". I wasn't sure which reality or universe I belonged in. I went back to the room and back to the bed. Universes flew past me as my consciousness inhabited different hosts; but, each time I knew it wasn't right. This happened so much that I encountered realities that were so similar to my own that I thought I wasn't high anymore. I was only disappointed when it would change in a flash.

I eventually fell asleep and woke up not as high. before, I thought I was at least an [8]; but, that paled in comparison to what I had just experienced. Now, that looked like a [3], tops. This was more like an [1100].

So, has this, or anything similar, happened to anyone else? I never knew weed could be so powerful. Can anyone explain this?




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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? *DELETED* [Re: Ezuma]
    #23682065 - 09/27/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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and now i wonder what it said ha





I basically just said to approach it from a spiritual perspective and smoke a tiny amount over the course of many nights just to get into contact with the plant spirit. I also said it took me 20 or so years to realize Cannabis was a psychedelic because i didn't approach it from a spiritual perspective. But I had already kind of said that so I deleted the post.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23682066 - 09/27/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever done dmt? No way cannabis could ever even come close.
I love weed and smoke a lot. Dmt is like a fucking rocket ship to the psychedelic state. Weed maybe just scratches the surface, if you have no tolerance/first time smoking.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? *DELETED* [Re: endogenous]
    #23682067 - 09/27/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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So I did a .05 g dab and holy shit (self.Drugs)

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I'm going to try and keep this brief because I actually have questions along with my trip.

I was at a party last night and the owner had announced that he had marijuana dabs and was offering free $1 hits. I've only done marijuana twice prior and figured that I couldn't get much higher than I was the first time. So I accepted and threw him $5 to get five times the dollar hit, which translated to 0.05 grams in my area. He used the titanium vaporizer that you heat up with a blowtorch and a metal stylus to hold the dab while I pulled out of a water pipe. It tasted like lemon pine sol smells and gave me a tickle in the back of my throat, but I didn't cough.

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I eventually fell asleep and woke up not as high. before, I thought I was at least an [8]; but, that paled in comparison to what I had just experienced. Now, that looked like a [3], tops. This was more like an [1100].

So, has this, or anything similar, happened to anyone else? I never knew weed could be so powerful. Can anyone explain this?




https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/1w2ydg/so_i_did_a_05_g_dab_and_holy_shit/




Cool report. Much more powerful than my experiences. I prefer my style cause I remain in control and can snap out of the visions at any time.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23682071 - 09/27/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Have you ever done dmt? No way cannabis could ever even come close.
I love weed and smoke a lot. Dmt is like a fucking rocket ship to the psychedelic state. Weed maybe just scratches the surface, if you have no tolerance/first time smoking.




Eh, missing my point I think. You don't have to have a low tolerance. And you'd be surprised at what you can see in a weed vision. It was more impressive to me than mushrooms in a visionary sense, at least. It's about connecting with the spirits. When you connect with the spirits, you see really cool stuff. Definitely not as intense as DMT, but you see the same kind of stuff. But i don't like the super-intensity. It scares the bleep out of me.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23682087 - 09/27/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Visions as in visuals? Or as in a vision, like a vision quest type thing where you're actually having a vision, like a dmt flash?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Tuhdoww]
    #23682159 - 09/27/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Visions as in visuals? Or as in a vision, like a vision quest type thing where you're actually having a vision, like a dmt flash?




Visions as in movies of the spirit world playing on the back of the eyelids. Occasionally an actual spirit being that moves around sometimes and looks back at you. I'm not talking about geometic shapes or colors, I mean full fledged in-color awesome visions of spirit things.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23682209 - 09/27/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow that's nuts. I see how dmt would scare the bahjeezus out of you if you get that from bud.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23685572 - 09/28/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Visions as in visuals? Or as in a vision, like a vision quest type thing where you're actually having a vision, like a dmt flash?




Visions as in movies of the spirit world playing on the back of the eyelids. Occasionally an actual spirit being that moves around sometimes and looks back at you. I'm not talking about geometic shapes or colors, I mean full fledged in-color awesome visions of spirit things.



Maybe you should make a report on your experience and leave it at that? Cause you must know 99% of cannabis users do not get those effects, at least not regularly. The vagueness of your descriptions still leave me with doubt. "Awesome visions of spirit things"... what made it spiritual? What made it awesome? Cannabis is a great tool for practicing awareness and even visionary mindsets, but I still disagree that it's a spiritual tool.

The depth of a DMT breakthrough is existential. The visions can be extremely specific and relevant to your life. You may see friends, family, memories in perfect clarity. You may see your entire life flash before your eyes in a single realization of what brought you to that moment. You may see the branching paths of your personality that are healthy or dying. You learn a lot about yourself through such an intense experience.

I know you're special, but cannabis visuals don't come close to that level of personal spirituality. At least, you haven't described them to yet.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
    #23685725 - 09/28/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I really can't smoke bud without CBD.

THC for me is really psychotic, I can trip out hard "mentally" without visuals, but things can start to seem ultra deep and foreign. But shrooms and other psychedelics I handle fine. I think it has to do with the fight or flight response...

But with CBD, THC is lovely :laugh:

I recently smoked a 16% THC 16% CBD hasch in Amsterdam, that was nice :smile:


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: M1NDW4R] * 1
    #23686375 - 09/28/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Canabis for me produces tactile and auditory hallucinations and especially when combined with psychedelics no other experience I have ever experienced has ever been responsible for such dangerous psychotic reactions.

No other substance has ever induced an experience of such terror as compared to a certain cannabis and LSD experience I once had.

Compared to DMT though Cannabis is not in the same league, even despite DMT being paradoxically much safer and more forgiving psychologically. Dont let this lead you to believe DMT cannot scare the living shit from out of you, its just that DMT is not nearly as potentially psychotic.   

I think no other substance is quite as able as cannabis to mimic or induce an experience tantamount or identical to that of paranoid psychosis or schizophrenia. Due to the potency of weed these days many many people have had similar experiences with cannabis.

Then again it doesn't seem to effect everyone in this manner, but certainly eat an eighth of good resin and although you wont go to hyperspace you may well think you are going to die/have a panic attack.

Comparing canabis to a psychedelic dosent make much sense though as they are not the same type of drugs and although canabis is 'mind manifesting' and fits the dictionary's definition of psychedelic empirical experience will teach you that it does not belong within the same family of substances such as LSD mushrooms and DMT.

Its a very powerful substance though.....


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: wolf8312]
    #23686705 - 09/28/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nobody can say any one substance is out of the realm of another for any one person that is not themselves. They can however rationally deduct if weed gives you experiences anywhere close to dmt, that you should probably be weary of the breakthroughs caused by dmt.

I've had two of the experiences you're talking about that I mentioned in an earlier thread but this was two out of thousands of experiences smoking weed. It may be easier to explain these as a brain chemistry fluke maybe in conjunction with a lot of meditation which was taking place around these two times. I would never define weed by these two experiences though as it is not the regular for me or almost anyone else. Remember the chemicals that make you break through are there to begin with. There's no drug as powerful as your own brain.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23688942 - 09/28/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes you could say that psychedelics are like keys that unlock chemicals that are already there, but I still believe it would be basically impossible to get to hyperspace with something like cannabis or just the power of ones own mind. Havent had enough experience or success with meditation to know for sure but I would still say its irrelevant to what we are talking about here. The vast majority of the universe cannot get to hyperspace with cannabis!


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23694472 - 09/30/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Marijuana can DEFINITELY be an intense psychedelic. Even Mckenna who regularly smoked DMT and did high doses of shrooms considered weed to have immense psychedelic properties.

I remember McKenna mentioning that to truly experience everything that weed has to offer, one should smoke copious amounts of it in a dark room.

Strong sativa strains have taken me as deep into my own mind as LSD or shrooms. Especially edibles. I feel more functional on a few tabs of acid than on strong sativa brownies.


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