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Green Mageen
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? *DELETED* [Re: Ezuma]
#23681942 - 09/27/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23681943 - 09/27/16 01:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: JohnnyCakes]
#23681946 - 09/27/16 01:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I still wonder whether my magic mushroom experiences opened up a previously locked door in my mind that makes it easier for me to experience the spiritual aspects of other substances. Sometimes it seems like this is the case. I also wonder whether it opened other doors in my mind related to spiritual powers.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? *DELETED* [Re: Green Mageen]
#23681964 - 09/27/16 01:39 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green Mageen said: Post deleted by Green Mageen<p>Reason for deletion: Uh boring post i made
and now i wonder what it said ha
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? *DELETED* [Re: Ezuma]
#23682050 - 09/27/16 02:43 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I did a .05 g dab and holy shit (self.Drugs)
submitted 2 years ago by MagiDidymusJames
I'm going to try and keep this brief because I actually have questions along with my trip.
I was at a party last night and the owner had announced that he had marijuana dabs and was offering free $1 hits. I've only done marijuana twice prior and figured that I couldn't get much higher than I was the first time. So I accepted and threw him $5 to get five times the dollar hit, which translated to 0.05 grams in my area. He used the titanium vaporizer that you heat up with a blowtorch and a metal stylus to hold the dab while I pulled out of a water pipe. It tasted like lemon pine sol smells and gave me a tickle in the back of my throat, but I didn't cough.
Now, when I'm high, I pace a lot back and forth and talk non stop. It was cramped in the room and I could feel myself coming up, so I shifted sideways from foot to foot like a grandfather clock. Everything was fine until I realized I didn't know how long it had been. I was still rocking side to side, and it had felt like it had been at least 6 hours. I asked my friend who sold it to me and he reported it had been about six or seven minutes. Although I was in disbelief, I asked how long it would last. He told me at least a couple of hours. At that point I absolutely flipped out. There was no way I could do this for five hours, no way. As I was contemplating suicide, I noticed that I was no longer myself, I was grownup Tommy from Rugrats. A person passed by that appeared to be Stu, but with orange hair. I was still in the room and rocking and felt like I was setting time for the universe. I was like a universal grandfather clock setting the eventual march toward heat death. The next few things that happened were a distinct blur of existentialism.
I sat on the mattress on the floor and realized that the room was starting to twist into some sort of odd, impossible shape. I laid down and asked my friend, J, who sold it to me, how long it had been. "forty minutes" he said, half smirking. I couldn't believe it. Since I had stopped shifting, my sense of time had left me. I didn't even know what time was at that point. Just as I closed my eyes, someone else in another universe woke up and shouted confirmation that he was now alive. His best friend was there and nodded in approval. The former character was in a hammock on the Avatar movie world, inside the tree of life. He was a mix of human, and robotic from the movie 'I, Robot'. It was a big day for him. He was of age and he partook in the customary, nameless drug that woke you up as if he were living in The Matrix before. It was only now that he truly lived. His best friend, just a little older than he, nodded in approval like a father would to a son who just started walking. I had now become that person. but I was not him. I had become a conscious entity in his universe and had injected myself into his temple to life and give life to this shell. At that point, we were one in the same. We could not exist without each other, but we were somehow completely separate. I opened my eyes and realized another friend had come into the room and was attempting to comfort me. I knew her name and who she was, but her face seemed unfamiliar. I couldn't recognize anything about her, but I knew her.
I closed my eyes again and the rest seemed like a blur. Every few minutes the reality my consciousness was inhabiting would disintegrate and change into a new one, perhaps a little closer to reality. At this point, I didn't even understand the concept of reality or of self. It was this far-fetched idea of singularity in an infinite array of universes. It was simply impossible, I decided. Reality disintegrated and I was thrust at light speed into another, where I was made of bars comprised completely of electronic energy. My being was simply comprised of bars that glowed red and pulsed with energy. It all melted before my eyes and I opened my eyes to enter a reality where I was in the cinematography stylings of the movie SuperBad. Everything had a brown, muted overtone. I was just a kid. maybe sixteen in age, and I looked it. I felt naive and got up from the bed. I stumbled into what appeared to be a highschool party in the house. As I set my hand down on the table, I realized that reality had changed, but I had accepted my residence in the prior reality. I looked up and saw J. He looked pleased and I exclaimed "I live in this reality?!". I wasn't sure which reality or universe I belonged in. I went back to the room and back to the bed. Universes flew past me as my consciousness inhabited different hosts; but, each time I knew it wasn't right. This happened so much that I encountered realities that were so similar to my own that I thought I wasn't high anymore. I was only disappointed when it would change in a flash.
I eventually fell asleep and woke up not as high. before, I thought I was at least an [8]; but, that paled in comparison to what I had just experienced. Now, that looked like a [3], tops. This was more like an [1100].
So, has this, or anything similar, happened to anyone else? I never knew weed could be so powerful. Can anyone explain this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/1w2ydg/so_i_did_a_05_g_dab_and_holy_shit/
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? *DELETED* [Re: Ezuma]
#23682065 - 09/27/16 02:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green Mageen said: Post deleted by Green Mageen<p>Reason for deletion: Uh boring post i made
and now i wonder what it said ha
I basically just said to approach it from a spiritual perspective and smoke a tiny amount over the course of many nights just to get into contact with the plant spirit. I also said it took me 20 or so years to realize Cannabis was a psychedelic because i didn't approach it from a spiritual perspective. But I had already kind of said that so I deleted the post.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23682066 - 09/27/16 02:55 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Have you ever done dmt? No way cannabis could ever even come close. I love weed and smoke a lot. Dmt is like a fucking rocket ship to the psychedelic state. Weed maybe just scratches the surface, if you have no tolerance/first time smoking.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? *DELETED* [Re: endogenous]
#23682067 - 09/27/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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So I did a .05 g dab and holy shit (self.Drugs)
submitted 2 years ago by MagiDidymusJames
I'm going to try and keep this brief because I actually have questions along with my trip.
I was at a party last night and the owner had announced that he had marijuana dabs and was offering free $1 hits. I've only done marijuana twice prior and figured that I couldn't get much higher than I was the first time. So I accepted and threw him $5 to get five times the dollar hit, which translated to 0.05 grams in my area. He used the titanium vaporizer that you heat up with a blowtorch and a metal stylus to hold the dab while I pulled out of a water pipe. It tasted like lemon pine sol smells and gave me a tickle in the back of my throat, but I didn't cough.
... I eventually fell asleep and woke up not as high. before, I thought I was at least an [8]; but, that paled in comparison to what I had just experienced. Now, that looked like a [3], tops. This was more like an [1100].
So, has this, or anything similar, happened to anyone else? I never knew weed could be so powerful. Can anyone explain this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/1w2ydg/so_i_did_a_05_g_dab_and_holy_shit/
Cool report. Much more powerful than my experiences. I prefer my style cause I remain in control and can snap out of the visions at any time.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23682071 - 09/27/16 02:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tuhdoww said: Have you ever done dmt? No way cannabis could ever even come close. I love weed and smoke a lot. Dmt is like a fucking rocket ship to the psychedelic state. Weed maybe just scratches the surface, if you have no tolerance/first time smoking.
Eh, missing my point I think. You don't have to have a low tolerance. And you'd be surprised at what you can see in a weed vision. It was more impressive to me than mushrooms in a visionary sense, at least. It's about connecting with the spirits. When you connect with the spirits, you see really cool stuff. Definitely not as intense as DMT, but you see the same kind of stuff. But i don't like the super-intensity. It scares the bleep out of me.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23682087 - 09/27/16 03:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Visions as in visuals? Or as in a vision, like a vision quest type thing where you're actually having a vision, like a dmt flash?
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Tuhdoww]
#23682159 - 09/27/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tuhdoww said: Visions as in visuals? Or as in a vision, like a vision quest type thing where you're actually having a vision, like a dmt flash?
Visions as in movies of the spirit world playing on the back of the eyelids. Occasionally an actual spirit being that moves around sometimes and looks back at you. I'm not talking about geometic shapes or colors, I mean full fledged in-color awesome visions of spirit things.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23682209 - 09/27/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow that's nuts. I see how dmt would scare the bahjeezus out of you if you get that from bud.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23685572 - 09/28/16 06:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tuhdoww said: Visions as in visuals? Or as in a vision, like a vision quest type thing where you're actually having a vision, like a dmt flash?
Visions as in movies of the spirit world playing on the back of the eyelids. Occasionally an actual spirit being that moves around sometimes and looks back at you. I'm not talking about geometic shapes or colors, I mean full fledged in-color awesome visions of spirit things.
Maybe you should make a report on your experience and leave it at that? Cause you must know 99% of cannabis users do not get those effects, at least not regularly. The vagueness of your descriptions still leave me with doubt. "Awesome visions of spirit things"... what made it spiritual? What made it awesome? Cannabis is a great tool for practicing awareness and even visionary mindsets, but I still disagree that it's a spiritual tool.
The depth of a DMT breakthrough is existential. The visions can be extremely specific and relevant to your life. You may see friends, family, memories in perfect clarity. You may see your entire life flash before your eyes in a single realization of what brought you to that moment. You may see the branching paths of your personality that are healthy or dying. You learn a lot about yourself through such an intense experience.
I know you're special, but cannabis visuals don't come close to that level of personal spirituality. At least, you haven't described them to yet.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
#23685725 - 09/28/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I really can't smoke bud without CBD.
THC for me is really psychotic, I can trip out hard "mentally" without visuals, but things can start to seem ultra deep and foreign. But shrooms and other psychedelics I handle fine. I think it has to do with the fight or flight response...
But with CBD, THC is lovely 
I recently smoked a 16% THC 16% CBD hasch in Amsterdam, that was nice
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: M1NDW4R] 1
#23686375 - 09/28/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Canabis for me produces tactile and auditory hallucinations and especially when combined with psychedelics no other experience I have ever experienced has ever been responsible for such dangerous psychotic reactions.
No other substance has ever induced an experience of such terror as compared to a certain cannabis and LSD experience I once had.
Compared to DMT though Cannabis is not in the same league, even despite DMT being paradoxically much safer and more forgiving psychologically. Dont let this lead you to believe DMT cannot scare the living shit from out of you, its just that DMT is not nearly as potentially psychotic.
I think no other substance is quite as able as cannabis to mimic or induce an experience tantamount or identical to that of paranoid psychosis or schizophrenia. Due to the potency of weed these days many many people have had similar experiences with cannabis.
Then again it doesn't seem to effect everyone in this manner, but certainly eat an eighth of good resin and although you wont go to hyperspace you may well think you are going to die/have a panic attack.
Comparing canabis to a psychedelic dosent make much sense though as they are not the same type of drugs and although canabis is 'mind manifesting' and fits the dictionary's definition of psychedelic empirical experience will teach you that it does not belong within the same family of substances such as LSD mushrooms and DMT.
Its a very powerful substance though.....
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: wolf8312]
#23686705 - 09/28/16 01:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nobody can say any one substance is out of the realm of another for any one person that is not themselves. They can however rationally deduct if weed gives you experiences anywhere close to dmt, that you should probably be weary of the breakthroughs caused by dmt.
I've had two of the experiences you're talking about that I mentioned in an earlier thread but this was two out of thousands of experiences smoking weed. It may be easier to explain these as a brain chemistry fluke maybe in conjunction with a lot of meditation which was taking place around these two times. I would never define weed by these two experiences though as it is not the regular for me or almost anyone else. Remember the chemicals that make you break through are there to begin with. There's no drug as powerful as your own brain.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: AstralAndrew]
#23688942 - 09/28/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes you could say that psychedelics are like keys that unlock chemicals that are already there, but I still believe it would be basically impossible to get to hyperspace with something like cannabis or just the power of ones own mind. Havent had enough experience or success with meditation to know for sure but I would still say its irrelevant to what we are talking about here. The vast majority of the universe cannot get to hyperspace with cannabis!
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23694472 - 09/30/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Marijuana can DEFINITELY be an intense psychedelic. Even Mckenna who regularly smoked DMT and did high doses of shrooms considered weed to have immense psychedelic properties.
I remember McKenna mentioning that to truly experience everything that weed has to offer, one should smoke copious amounts of it in a dark room.
Strong sativa strains have taken me as deep into my own mind as LSD or shrooms. Especially edibles. I feel more functional on a few tabs of acid than on strong sativa brownies.
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