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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676550 - 09/25/16 11:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

For me a breakthrough on cannabis is the best sensation i had on it.

You feel one with everything and it kinda has the ffects from shrooms :wink:


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Trippedytrip]
    #23676560 - 09/25/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I know what you mean, and maybe it's because I've smoked weed on so many of my trips (almost all in fact), but sometimes I wonder if the psychedelics are magnifying the weed rather than the opposite which is often assumed as true.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23676569 - 09/25/16 12:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's pretty crazy. Has weed always effected you like that, or did it start doing that to you after a good amount of psychedelic use?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23676743 - 09/25/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What would you describe that experience like? Visually, and what exactly a breakthrough experience on cannabis entails. Does it feel soft and fuzzy to you at that point or does the weed have a nasty edge when you hit the spot? I'm genuinely curious.




It's usually very similar each time. First everything becomes brighter and more distinct, my ability to focus increases and I find myself fixating on visual objects for long periods of time. Colors begin to distort. Then time begins to slow down. If I close my eyes I see geometric two dimensional visuals.

I start to see symbolic objects in the place of the actual physical objects that surround me. So if I look at a chair, I might not see the chair as it actually is, but rather series of chairs with which I am very familiar, or which are particularly aesthetically pleasing. If I close my eyes I see beautiful three dimensional visuals of organic objects.

As time continues to slow, I find that my perception of my visual field is no longer continuous, but rather occurring in discrete fields, like a very slow frame rate in a video game. While this is happening the symbolic objects with which the real world objects around me have been replaced become more abstract. Rather than seeing another chair in place of the chair in front of me, I will see something that makes me feel the way the chair makes me feel. So if my feet are tired from standing, when I look at the chair I might see a patch of soft grass in the warm sun on a pleasant day.

At this point it is very difficult to function. I have no idea of the actual layout of my surroundings because I can't see them. My sense of space is so warped that I can't tell which direction is up or down, and I may find myself trying to walk into the ground, so I usually try to take a seat or lie down before this happens so I don't hurt myself.

Time slows almost to a stop and I am no longer aware of my external environment. If there is a difference between my open eye visuals and my closed eye visuals I am not aware of it because I can't tell if my eyes are open or closed. I begin to lose all sense of my body as my visuals intensify and it feels as if my consciousness is being transported through some usually unknown dimension to some other realm.

My consciousness takes on the form of a highly complex multidimensional being and makes contact with other similar beings in this other realm. Some of the beings feel familiar to me, but others are so vast and complex that they are frighteningly beyond my ability to comprehend them. My perception of time is so slow at this point that it feels like I spend decades or even centuries in this place before I slowly return to consensus reality by following this process in reverse, but over a longer period of time.

The entire process takes about three hours, with about a 5-10 minute come up, 30 minutes - 1 hour of peak, and about 2 hours or so of come down.

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That's pretty crazy. Has weed always effected you like that, or did it start doing that to you after a good amount of psychedelic use?




Yeah it's always been like that. Which made it very surprising and scary the first time I smoked weed.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23676835 - 09/25/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's amazing, I didn't think a person actually could go that deep with just weed. And you go that deep smoking just one bowl? Are the entities you encounter similar to DMT entities in any way?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23676840 - 09/25/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have a similar experience to Healing when you breakthrough OP?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23676881 - 09/25/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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That's amazing, I didn't think a person actually could go that deep with just weed. And you go that deep smoking just one bowl? Are the entities you encounter similar to DMT entities in any way?




I don't know. The only time I tried DMT it didn't work because of my medications.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
    #23676919 - 09/25/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I've had a threshold experience in synergy with meditation after ripping five consecutive bong rips of high grade Sativa. ..pineapple express to be exact.

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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23677316 - 09/25/16 04:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

so what kinda weed was this?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23677703 - 09/25/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well that was a fascinating reply.



When I started smoking weed, the walls kept moving and they never stopped.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: AstralAndrew]
    #23678156 - 09/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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I've had a threshold experience in synergy with meditation after ripping five consecutive bong rips of high grade Sativa. ..pineapple express to be exact.

Thread:https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20726876/page/5




This is an important point. It may be the case that meditation is a key unlocking the psychedelic potential of Cannabis. Maybe I meditate when I take Cannabis without realizing I am meditating - kind of a natural response kind of thing.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
    #23678169 - 09/25/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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First, it's not a theory. I already know it works as I do it regularly. So I am looking at this from a perspective that you just don't have. You're missing the whole point of my posts! The deeper meaning in them is there but you're not seeing it!

A brief study of the history of the spiritual use of Cannabis shows Cannabis was used to: 1) Summon spirits to visible appearance  2) Summon demons to visible appearance  3) Contact the dead (necromancy)  4) For shamanic journeys to the spirit realm.  (and I'm not talking about in combination with other drugs)

The previous two paragraphs are facts.

Every valid revolution in thought/practice is mocked before it's accepted. The really annoying thing is, it shouldn't even be a revolution. Cannabis is very spiritual but people in the modern world just don't even hardly understand how 'to do' spiritual anymore.
Cannabis users are so brainwashed by cannabis culture and what cannabis is supposed to be able to do and not do that they can't even see the immense psychedelic potential of the plant.

It's not the dose of the drug that activates the spiritual visions as much as it is the SPIRITS! That's why a smaller dose works way better than a larger dose.

Did you watch the video I linked to? The guy in the video is someone who knows what he's talking about. He's been working with ayahuasca in the amazon for years and he says Cannabis can serve the same purpose!

Did you read the book?

Did you see the book by Alex Grey coming out in a couple of months called: Cannabis and Spirituality: An Explorer's Guide to an Ancient Plant Spirit Ally?

Did you see the previous poster say he has broken through on Cannabis (maybe he was trolling, I don't know, but it doesn't matter)?

It's not like I'm the only one saying this. But even if I was, one person is all it takes to speak the truth.

It's the spirits, my dudes/dudettes! This isn't science. It's shamanism.



You clearly haven't even tried DMT because if you had you wouldn't be arguing this theory. Why waste your time reading books and speculating when you can go try right now and see for yourself that they're not the same experience. I can understand the comparison between cannabis and ayahuasca, they're both motherly energies and drawn out experiences. But comparing vaporized cannabis to vaporized DMT is where I think you're totally wrong.




Well that's a more fair argument. Ayahuasca and Cannabis may be more similar than DMT and Cannabis. It's DMT-like in the types of entities which can be seen, though. I see a lot of extraterrestrials and extradimensional beings, for example.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
    #23678192 - 09/25/16 10:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Do you have a similar experience to Healing when you breakthrough OP?




I'm not sure what you mean by Healing. I do feel a little healed by the experiences though. For a couple of different reasons, I am not able to travel as much as I would like to. I was legitimately down about my lack of travel because I wanted to see the world. But then I started having visions with Cannabis (Cannabis sativa, specifically Grapefruit but have had luck with other Sativa heavy strains). Honestly, the trips to "SpiritLand" are more interesting to me than any but the most interesting of worldly locations. So I am no longer nearly so down about not being able to travel much.

I am also healed in the sense that I realize (once again) that I am a part of a much vaster universe with spiritual meaning and purpose. It helps to offset the negative aspects of materiality to some degree.



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Do you have a similar experience to Healing when you breakthrough OP?




Oh, sorry, you meant the poster Healing, not healing in general. Healing's experiences sound much more intense than mine. My experiences are heavy on the visions and low on the stress. I close my eyes and it's like spiritual/extraterrestrial movies start playing. They can last for hours. They're really cool, but there's little stress involved. Some visions are so amazing in their color and complexity. Sometimes I encounter what appear to be living spirits. They move around, look at me from different angles, etc. And they always look really, really awesome.

Interestingly, I get very light symptoms of paranoid Schizophrenia on occasion. Much less now than when I was younger. Healing mentioned Schizoaffective disorder.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23681732 - 09/26/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

After reading this thread I had powerful visionary experience on cannabis myself.

I listened to ayahuasca icaros after smoking hash and it felt like the spirit of ayahuasca (which I have never taken) came upon me. I felt its serpent energy slithering all over me and then I had kundalini awakening and powerful visionary experience. I regretted it, but maybe it was for the best.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Peyote Road]
    #23681802 - 09/26/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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After reading this thread I had powerful visionary experience on cannabis myself.

I listened to ayahuasca icaros after smoking hash and it felt like the spirit of ayahuasca (which I have never taken) came upon me. I felt its serpent energy slithering all over me and then I had kundalini awakening and powerful visionary experience. I regretted it, but maybe it was for the best.




Interesting. Sounds a lot like what Hamilton Souther was talking about in the video - that the spirits of Cannabis and ayahuasca work to open the same kind of shamanic space when done right. How come you regretted it?


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23681813 - 09/27/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

dang i wish I got those kind of effects... I'm usually disappointed by even psychedelics. I guess higher doses are in order


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23681832 - 09/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Absolutely! Just putting in my personal bit here, I experienced pronounce change in both my meditation and weed highs after taking shroomies for the first time. However, ever since then, when I smoke weed I see constant morphing visuals when I close my eyes and peoples auras when I look at them, which have actually made me feel fairly psychotic because these things can get very intense.
Just the other day I was taken into a journey laying down where I felt each cosmic leap from one thought to another as I directed my mind's energy, just after a couple fat vape bowls. Marijuana is pretty trippy


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23681918 - 09/27/16 01:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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dang i wish I got those kind of effects... I'm usually disappointed by even psychedelics. I guess higher doses are in order




I don't know your personal situation/mindset at all. But what I have found is that deep-seated social conditioning can be strong enough to literally block spirituality. Higher doses would probably help you have psychedelic experiences (be careful with your doses though), but if you're looking for spiritual experiences I have found less is more. The intent is important and even if you are feeling no effects at first you may be raising your spiritual vibration in a way you can't detect until at some point you have a breakthrough. I get my spiritual experiences off very little Cannabis. So little that I don't feel any immediate traditional kinds of effects.


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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
    #23681939 - 09/27/16 01:17 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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dang i wish I got those kind of effects... I'm usually disappointed by even psychedelics. I guess higher doses are in order




I don't know your personal situation/mindset at all. But what I have found is that deep-seated social conditioning can be strong enough to literally block spirituality. Higher doses would probably help you have psychedelic experiences (be careful with your doses though), but if you're looking for spiritual experiences I have found less is more. The intent is important and even if you are feeling no effects at first you may be raising your spiritual vibration in a way you can't detect until at some point you have a breakthrough. I get my spiritual experiences off very little Cannabis. So little that I don't feel any immediate traditional kinds of effects.




I'm not sure its even a lack of spiritual experiences per-say, I mean for me psychedelics are always mostly mental, and visuals take a back seat -even when I have them I often ignore them and focus on the thoughts- but when sober, its always the visuals and entities I long for

its strange since I'm a highly visual person (being an artist and such) who tends t think in visuals, so I would have expected to have crazy shit going on but alas


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