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Green Mageen
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Peyote Road]
#23675613 - 09/25/16 12:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm new here so I wasn't sure if I could put in a link. But here's a link: https://www.amazon.com/Sativa-Psychonaut-Exploring-Universe-Cannabis-ebook/dp/B01LYA63DR/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1474784058&sr=1-1&keywords=sativa+psychonaut
Otherwise, just search for it on Amazon.com
Yeah I've had some pretty deep insights with Cannabis also, even some visual experiences. It seems to be a matter of smoking it with the intent to raise your spiritual vibration and not smoking it for any immediate effects really like getting high. When it's smoked in really small amounts with spiritual intent sometimes that intent gets rewarded with visions.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23675668 - 09/25/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Both weed and mdma give me definite CEVs. However, they are just either cascades of simple geometric shapes or afterimages of things I just saw. They are not the complex thought scenery of psychedelics.
Actually I think every drug can be psychedelic to me because I'm on the spectrum and my brain makes Bufetenine.
Edited by PsychoKinesiS (09/25/16 12:52 AM)
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23675699 - 09/25/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never get visuals on weed, but I also barely get visuals on psychedelics generally, yet to try dmt though. My feeling is no, weed can never go as far as lsd, shrooms, or especially dmt from what I hear.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Ezuma]
#23675740 - 09/25/16 02:06 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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For me cannabis is a very powerful psychedelic. More powerful than mushrooms or LSD. I've had hundreds of breakthrough experiences on cannabis, just like someone could have on DMT.
But my brain is neuro-atypical, so effects like that are very uncommon.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
#23675748 - 09/25/16 02:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds a lot like me. What do you mean by your brain is neuro-atypical - how do you know? It seems like Cannabis effects me in ways it doesn't for a lot people, too. See how many people here don't think Cannabis is a psychedelic? For me it's easier to get psychedelic visions off weed than to get high off it.
Edited by Green Mageen (09/25/16 02:30 AM)
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23675751 - 09/25/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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DMT is something else even after eating 1000mg of THC shatter it does not come close for me.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Eggtimer]
#23675756 - 09/25/16 02:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Agreed. But one of the key points people are missing is that to get the visionary potential of Cannabis sativa it might work better to take the opposite approach. Smoke just a tiny bit of Cannabis every night, not enough to even feel anything. Make this a daily ritual. After a few weeks your spiritual vibration may rise high enough to start having the intense (yet still chill-relaxed) vision-trips.
Think of it this way. Cannabis sativa may have 2 sets of effects.
SET 1: All the traditional things people smoke Cannabis for. To get high. To relax. To have deep thoughts. Creativity. Energy. You get SET 1 effects by smoking a lot of Cannabis or eating it or whatever.
SET 2: Spiritual effects. When smoking for spiritual effects you do not expect or even necessarily want to feel anything physical - no immediate effects. Thus, you smoke very small amounts daily - like literally a puff or two. Keep this up for a few weeks and your spiritual power/vibration/connection rises to the point where you start to experience SET 2 effects. Full-fledged psychedelic visionary images of deep complexity, astral travel, universal travel, meeting with spirit beings... etc. I've experienced it myself. I know it can work.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23675829 - 09/25/16 04:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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You trolling bro? This theory is ridiculous. No one in here has broken through on MJ, at least not on the level of a DMT breakthrough. Sure cannabis is psychedelic, but I wouldn't call it spiritual. And taking a couple puffs every night would be an illogical approach. If anything, you'd want like a month+ sobriety followed by a catatonic dose. The cannabis coma would be pretty intense but still not comparable to a proper dmt breakthrough.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
#23675840 - 09/25/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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First, it's not a theory. I already know it works as I do it regularly. So I am looking at this from a perspective that you just don't have. You're missing the whole point of my posts! The deeper meaning in them is there but you're not seeing it!
A brief study of the history of the spiritual use of Cannabis shows Cannabis was used to: 1) Summon spirits to visible appearance 2) Summon demons to visible appearance 3) Contact the dead (necromancy) 4) For shamanic journeys to the spirit realm. (and I'm not talking about in combination with other drugs)
The previous two paragraphs are facts.
Every valid revolution in thought/practice is mocked before it's accepted. The really annoying thing is, it shouldn't even be a revolution. Cannabis is very spiritual but people in the modern world just don't even hardly understand how 'to do' spiritual anymore. Cannabis users are so brainwashed by cannabis culture and what cannabis is supposed to be able to do and not do that they can't even see the immense psychedelic potential of the plant.
It's not the dose of the drug that activates the spiritual visions as much as it is the SPIRITS! That's why a smaller dose works way better than a larger dose.
Did you watch the video I linked to? The guy in the video is someone who knows what he's talking about. He's been working with ayahuasca in the amazon for years and he says Cannabis can serve the same purpose!
Did you read the book?
Did you see the book by Alex Grey coming out in a couple of months called: Cannabis and Spirituality: An Explorer's Guide to an Ancient Plant Spirit Ally?
Did you see the previous poster say he has broken through on Cannabis (maybe he was trolling, I don't know, but it doesn't matter)?
It's not like I'm the only one saying this. But even if I was, one person is all it takes to speak the truth.
It's the spirits, my dudes/dudettes! This isn't science. It's shamanism.
Edited by Green Mageen (09/25/16 04:36 AM)
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23675868 - 09/25/16 05:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whenever I smoke weed or dabs I get brought to a very shroom like headspace and will start to have pretty weird flashbacks. With a few trippy quirks specifically just to THC as well. Sometimes I have some small visual hallucinations too, but it's never anything super noticeable. Marijuana is definitely a psychedelic, and it can get decently intense sometimes (especially at night) but there's no way it could ever give you as intense of an experience by itself as the substances you listed. I didn't even start being able to actually "trip" on it until after I tried mushrooms. It's almost like the mushrooms unlocked some sort of secret door in my brain. All it would do before was just relax me and make me hungry. I find it pretty interesting.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: UniverseOfTheMind8]
#23675932 - 09/25/16 06:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've been smoking over 15 years and I've had very prominent closed eye visuals a few times. Once or twice when I first started, but the most intense occasions were in the past few years after a week or two tolerance break. That relapse can send you into hyperspace. It's intense though and there are easier ways of getting to the same place. It's like entering a marathon wearing hiking boots. Why do that when you can get some free Pumas (mushrooms)?
Just to add, the very most intense time was from smoking Amnesia Haze after a week break. This is a sativa heavy hybrid.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Psilocypher]
#23675981 - 09/25/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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smoking hindu kush I've noticed can get you some faint CEVs going
first time I smoke it I swore I was hearing noises that weren't there as well.. quite strange for an indica
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: cube talk]
#23676025 - 09/25/16 07:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was quite trippy always from haze .
Try out Chocolope Strain
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Trippedytrip]
#23676042 - 09/25/16 08:10 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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chocolope is to fucking good
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23676057 - 09/25/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Nice that you met Chocolope!
In spain we have some of the good strains
You must try "Jack el Frutero" or " Channel"
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] 1
#23676058 - 09/25/16 08:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green Mageen said: First, it's not a theory. I already know it works as I do it regularly. So I am looking at this from a perspective that you just don't have. You're missing the whole point of my posts! The deeper meaning in them is there but you're not seeing it!
A brief study of the history of the spiritual use of Cannabis shows Cannabis was used to: 1) Summon spirits to visible appearance 2) Summon demons to visible appearance 3) Contact the dead (necromancy) 4) For shamanic journeys to the spirit realm. (and I'm not talking about in combination with other drugs)
The previous two paragraphs are facts.
Every valid revolution in thought/practice is mocked before it's accepted. The really annoying thing is, it shouldn't even be a revolution. Cannabis is very spiritual but people in the modern world just don't even hardly understand how 'to do' spiritual anymore. Cannabis users are so brainwashed by cannabis culture and what cannabis is supposed to be able to do and not do that they can't even see the immense psychedelic potential of the plant.
It's not the dose of the drug that activates the spiritual visions as much as it is the SPIRITS! That's why a smaller dose works way better than a larger dose.
Did you watch the video I linked to? The guy in the video is someone who knows what he's talking about. He's been working with ayahuasca in the amazon for years and he says Cannabis can serve the same purpose!
Did you read the book?
Did you see the book by Alex Grey coming out in a couple of months called: Cannabis and Spirituality: An Explorer's Guide to an Ancient Plant Spirit Ally?
Did you see the previous poster say he has broken through on Cannabis (maybe he was trolling, I don't know, but it doesn't matter)?
It's not like I'm the only one saying this. But even if I was, one person is all it takes to speak the truth.
It's the spirits, my dudes/dudettes! This isn't science. It's shamanism.
You clearly haven't even tried DMT because if you had you wouldn't be arguing this theory. Why waste your time reading books and speculating when you can go try right now and see for yourself that they're not the same experience. I can understand the comparison between cannabis and ayahuasca, they're both motherly energies and drawn out experiences. But comparing vaporized cannabis to vaporized DMT is where I think you're totally wrong.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23676105 - 09/25/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green Mageen said: Ah... interesting. Sounds like a psychedelic seed image. Next time that happens to you, focus your attention on those colored nets. Let them expand in your mind. You may be amazed at what happens next.
Its nothing that introspective or attention grabbing. I've eaten a ton of weed and never experience psychedelic effects.. I guess I should have mentioned I was also on MDMA up until the afternoon of that day. That probably played a part in that, but even then I wouldnt really say it was a real psychedelic visual. I'm sure being sober and laying down in the dark could produce the same thing. The most "visual" experience I had from weed was when I greened out one time and everything turned really bright and blurry and everything felt like it was spinning hard. I really dont think THC or CBD can produce anything close to a DMT trip. Maybe if it was an extreme pure concentrate of THC in a raw form.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23676521 - 09/25/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green Mageen said: Sounds a lot like me. What do you mean by your brain is neuro-atypical - how do you know? It seems like Cannabis effects me in ways it doesn't for a lot people, too. See how many people here don't think Cannabis is a psychedelic? For me it's easier to get psychedelic visions off weed than to get high off it.
I have schizoaffective disorder, which is a genetic medical condition that effects my neurological function.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Icon]
#23676534 - 09/25/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Icon said: You trolling bro? This theory is ridiculous. No one in here has broken through on MJ, at least not on the level of a DMT breakthrough. Sure cannabis is psychedelic, but I wouldn't call it spiritual. And taking a couple puffs every night would be an illogical approach. If anything, you'd want like a month+ sobriety followed by a catatonic dose. The cannabis coma would be pretty intense but still not comparable to a proper dmt breakthrough.
I've broken through on weed hundreds of times. I have to be very careful with my cannabis intake, because it's so intense for me, and the dosage curve is so steep. Smoking a few hits is comparable to taking a few grams of mushrooms, smoking an entire bowl is a guarantee that I will travel to an alternate dimension and make contact with entities.
It's just a matter of brain chemistry. Every brain is a little different, and some very few of them are able to get effects like that from cannabis.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: healing]
#23676543 - 09/25/16 11:56 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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What would you describe that experience like? Visually, and what exactly a breakthrough experience on cannabis entails. Does it feel soft and fuzzy to you at that point or does the weed have a nasty edge when you hit the spot? I'm genuinely curious.
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