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Green Mageen
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Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT?
#23674319 - 09/24/16 03:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I just read through a fascinating book called "Sativa Psychonaut: Exploring the Deep Mind and Universe with Cannabis Sativa" by Kirk Packwood. The book claims Cannabis sativa can be as powerful of a visionary psychedelic as DMT, ayahuasca, and mushrooms. I've had a few experiences over the years that were pretty impressive, but people always told me cannabis is not a psychedelic, at least not in the visionary sense. Has anybody else had awesome visionary experiences with Cannabis sativa?
https://www.amazon.com/Sativa-Psychonaut-Exploring-Universe-Cannabis-ebook/dp/B01LYA63DR/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1474793939&sr=8-1&keywords=sativa+psychonaut
Edited by Green Mageen (09/27/16 03:03 AM)
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] 1
#23674379 - 09/24/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: psilocybinjunkie] 1
#23674396 - 09/24/16 03:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that was a fascinating reply.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] 1
#23674418 - 09/24/16 04:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I smoked DMT last night and was perceiving a hidden dimension behind me with entities and was worried an entity was going to fuck with my chair and pull me inside their world.
cant say ive ever experienced anything like that with weed
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SleepyE]
#23674458 - 09/24/16 04:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly, that is kind of my point and what was so interesting about this book. It says that people just aren't smoking cannabis right. People in the modern world have forgotten what people in the past always knew - Cannabis can be as potent as DMT when 'done right'. And I have seen a few hints that he might be right.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23674482 - 09/24/16 04:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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For example, watch this video - it's long buts it's great:
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen] 2
#23674515 - 09/24/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Green Mageen said: Well that was a fascinating reply.
I have smoked over 10 ounces of Sativa dom in the last year and it has never been even remotely close to any trip, or psychedelic experience i've ever had. Smoking weed while tripping on shrooms or something else though
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23674577 - 09/24/16 04:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Weed has put me in to states where I get certain kinds of CEVs. Not super prominent but they are there. If you really want to compare it to DMT, weed with an MAOI can be interesting. If you had no tolerance and took a high dose of your MAOI, I could see there being as much as some kind of entity contact. Consuming a weed tincture of some kind or even dabbing would probably help a lot with that. Weed and rue made for some fucking weird visuals, almost like salvia with the crazy repeating fractalizing kaleidoscope of random images with a flair of mirror symmetry. This is without the salvia confusion and it's very clear. I could 'feel' these funnels of air, as if it was a kind of radiating energy and I was heavily depersonalized.
A lot of people don't agree but I see weed as being slightly psychedelic.. but it also has other properties. Sedation, stimulation, low dose dissociative properties.. It's just weed. It might be hard to categorize but it's definitely an potent chemical of it's own kind that tends to be abused. Even alcohol can be a euphoric, introspective, and childlike experience, but so many do it far too often and in the wrong setting. I've compared that experience to a low dose of LSA before.
So weed might not be DMT, fuck I'm glad it's not I love weed. It certainly accompanies all my experiences in a good way though, and if I'm looking to put the mental effort in to making the most out of the right high while I have it, then it's there.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
#23674631 - 09/24/16 05:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey I love that glowing smiley-face thing.
The book says it's in the set and setting - and the key is to smoke a little bit of weed every day, like a few puffs only, over the course of a couple of weeks to build up spiritual vibrations. Then something about focusing on seed images behind closed eyelids.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23674640 - 09/24/16 05:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting. At least you recognize weed has some psychedelic properties. Most people don't.
If you look into the history of Cannabis use, there's a lot of evidence supporting the author's claims. Chinese Taoist sorcerers used to use Cannabis to summon the apparitions of demons and spirits to visible appearance. Much more I could list, but it would take forever. Very small amounts over weeks and the spiritual vibration builds up. Then the spirits of Cannabis (?) show up to introduce the user to the visionary spirit realms.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
#23674909 - 09/24/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
SleepyE said: I smoked DMT last night and was perceiving a hidden dimension behind me with entities and was worried an entity was going to fuck with my chair and pull me inside their world.
cant say ive ever experienced anything like that with weed 
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psilocybinjunkie said:

Well, you know though, psilocybinjunkie has always been the local rocket scientist. More nauseating than most, and pretentious about it. It's pretty sweet. Psilocybinjunkie!
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: fractalsybolism]
#23674914 - 09/24/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Annoying and confrontational for years, and everyone remembers the avatar.
He/she is pretty innocuous and hip though!
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: fractalsybolism]
#23675110 - 09/24/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Unfortunately when I smoke weed I develop psychotic symptoms and get some extent of brain damage from the "spread" of schizophrenia.
However...
When I was high I had the most visionary thoughts, beautiful day dreams and fantasies.
So good...
Wish I didn't get sick from it. Amazing stuff.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: beforethedawn]
#23675147 - 09/24/16 08:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Cool. That's what I'm talking about. I have had those kinds of experiences myself. Sometimes I would travel spirit worlds after smoking Cannabis, but it had to be a sativa-heavy strain.
Edited by Green Mageen (09/24/16 08:24 PM)
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23675184 - 09/24/16 08:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I ate some cookies last night witch was around 3.5 to 4 g AK47 and I had these weird sensations when I closed my eyes. Kinda like a tumbling feeling and I had somewhat CEVs I guess. It was like weird colored nets that were kinda swirling but it was super faint and would only last a couple seconds at a time. Tho cannabis has never produced anything close to a DMT trip for me at all. Let alone any psychedelic really.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23675197 - 09/24/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ah... interesting. Sounds like a psychedelic seed image. Next time that happens to you, focus your attention on those colored nets. Let them expand in your mind. You may be amazed at what happens next.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: SonicTitan]
#23675198 - 09/24/16 08:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't think it could induce such effects in terms of visuals but possibly similar states of mind.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Rollin.n.Strollin]
#23675351 - 09/24/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I ate 3 gram's of sticky bubble hash while withdrawing from opiates two years ago and had crazy psychedelic trip followed by ambulance ride and 11 days in psych ward. Been daily user for 25 years, but lost my mind after this trip. Too much of a good thing can be bad.
I was trying to knock myself out by cooking hash into oil and then made into hot chocolate and drinking it. Didn't work that way, THC can be pretty intense when eaten in large amounts but the paranoia and delusion can be a problem. I laughed halfway to hospital and tried to get the ambulance to go through McDonald's drive through to get food. I was halfway crazy from cold turkey opiate withdrawal also.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Headrush]
#23675401 - 09/24/16 10:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting. You could try the opposite approach. Smoke so little daily that you can't even feel any effects. This author says a couple of 'puffs' a night is enough. Keep that up for 2 or 3 weeks. You might start having psychedelic visual experiences behind closed eyes.
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Re: Can Cannabis Sativa be a powerful visionary psychedelic like DMT? [Re: Green Mageen]
#23675566 - 09/24/16 11:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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for me cannabis is very powerful ive had deep insights into reality on it, just like with LSD or mushrooms. But cannabis is never as visual.
btw i cant find the book. did google search.
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