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TedTheHighlighter
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: healing]
#23679990 - 09/26/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Chitin wouldn't make sense to be the cause of stomach problems with magic mushrooms because chitin is also just as present in non-psychoactive mushies.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: TedTheHighlighter]
#23680051 - 09/26/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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TedTheHighlighter said: Chitin wouldn't make sense to be the cause of stomach problems with magic mushrooms because chitin is also just as present in non-psychoactive mushies.
That's also true. it's not very common for people to have such a reaction to chitin.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: healing]
#23680519 - 09/26/16 05:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Here's what I think happened, you read this part, "Raw mushrooms contain small amounts of toxins, including some compounds that are considered carcinogens. These are destroyed by cooking them thoroughly." and assumed that they were talking about chitin.
Actually, I was reading this...
http://www.psms.org/edibility.php
"The cell walls of mushrooms are constructed with chitin (ki-tin), the same material from which crab shells are constructed. This makes it easy to understand that all mushrooms can tend to be hard to digest. Cooking mushrooms helps break down the chitin and makes them easier to digest."
http://everythingmushrooms.com/a-few-reasons-to-cook-the-mushrooms-you-eat/ The cell walls of mushrooms can be difficult to digest, they might even give you a tummy ache, or more severe intestinal distress if eaten raw. Mushroom cell walls contain chitin, the same polysaccharide that makes the hard outer shells of insects and crabs. Chitin and other components of the cell wall can be made more digestible by cooking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_mushroom
Cell walls of mushrooms contain chitin, which is not easily digestible by humans. Cooking will help break down the chitin making cell contents and nutrients available.
Of course, I'm just hunting on the internet, and we know that EVERYTHING you read on the internet is true.
By the way, I tripped today with by making a mushroom tea with some lemon. The shrooms boiled for about a minute and then steeped for another 10 minutes. I only drank the tea and didn't eat the shrooms. I still got a bit of a stomach ache, but my trip was about what I expected (in other words, I don't think the heat resulted in loss of potency).
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Bernard] 1
#23680600 - 09/26/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bernard said: Here's what I think happened, you read this part, "Raw mushrooms contain small amounts of toxins, including some compounds that are considered carcinogens. These are destroyed by cooking them thoroughly." and assumed that they were talking about chitin.
Actually, I was reading this...
http://www.psms.org/edibility.php
"The cell walls of mushrooms are constructed with chitin (ki-tin), the same material from which crab shells are constructed. This makes it easy to understand that all mushrooms can tend to be hard to digest. Cooking mushrooms helps break down the chitin and makes them easier to digest."
http://everythingmushrooms.com/a-few-reasons-to-cook-the-mushrooms-you-eat/ The cell walls of mushrooms can be difficult to digest, they might even give you a tummy ache, or more severe intestinal distress if eaten raw. Mushroom cell walls contain chitin, the same polysaccharide that makes the hard outer shells of insects and crabs. Chitin and other components of the cell wall can be made more digestible by cooking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_mushroom
Cell walls of mushrooms contain chitin, which is not easily digestible by humans. Cooking will help break down the chitin making cell contents and nutrients available.
Of course, I'm just hunting on the internet, and we know that EVERYTHING you read on the internet is true.
By the way, I tripped today with by making a mushroom tea with some lemon. The shrooms boiled for about a minute and then steeped for another 10 minutes. I only drank the tea and didn't eat the shrooms. I still got a bit of a stomach ache, but my trip was about what I expected (in other words, I don't think the heat resulted in loss of potency).
I think what they mean by break down chitin is not that it degrades the chemical structure of chitin into other chemicals, but rather that the structures which are composed of chitin are broken into smaller pieces by the lysing of the cells. That would allow the nutrients inside the cell to become available, and does not require the degradation of chitin.
What I would suggest, since you still experienced some stomach discomfort when you did not ingest any chitin, is that you try ingesting several drops of lemon essential oil shortly before you dose your tea. It keeps the psilocin and psilocybin from agonizing the 5-ht3 receptors in your digestive tract. Those are the receptors which are responsible for nausea and vomiting, so there's a good chance it could help.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: healing]
#23680924 - 09/26/16 07:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I added some fresh lemon juice to the tea mix, but next time I'll take your suggestion with some lemon before I dose.
It's really a bummer - the stomach issues and all. Generally, I have a pretty strong stomach, but this stuff tends to really put me in a bad way.
I do have some Pan Cam growing right now. I've heard that it's a little easier, but again we know that EVERYTHING we read on the internet is true. 
Thanks, healing, for the tip.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Bernard] 1
#23681031 - 09/26/16 07:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Bernard said: I added some fresh lemon juice to the tea mix, but next time I'll take your suggestion with some lemon before I dose.
It's really a bummer - the stomach issues and all. Generally, I have a pretty strong stomach, but this stuff tends to really put me in a bad way.
I do have some Pan Cam growing right now. I've heard that it's a little easier, but again we know that EVERYTHING we read on the internet is true. 
Thanks, healing, for the tip.
Yeah, but it has to be lemon essential oil, not just like eating a lemon. There's a chemical in small concentrations in the oil found in the peel of the lemon called beta-pinene that does the actual antagonism of the 5-ht3 receptors. But the only way to get enough of it into your system is to first do a cold press extraction, and it doesn't make sense to do it yourself when you can just buy the oil at a health store.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23681277 - 09/26/16 08:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i find that fresh shrooms blended into a smoothie are best. Havent tried cooking them, but ive eaten them fresh, and they still taste nasty to me.
Dried is where there is least amount of bad flavors.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23681641 - 09/26/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe try eating them with a small piece of hersheys chocolate. You know how you can break off little rectangles out of a whole bar. I think magic mushrooms are eaten raw most of the time because most people don't really give a shit about it tasting like horse crap. You stomach that nasty little fungi because the objective is to get high. While with gourmet mushrooms you're eating them because they taste good in butter & pasta & all that other jazz...
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#23681643 - 09/26/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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telling it as it is! damn.
Well said man
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 1
#23681701 - 09/26/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks man. OJ works well too.
This is random but for the longest time I didn't know what your profile pic was because I couldn't zoom in on it and I thought it was a chimpanzee's hand semi closed. Do this... Turn your hand to the side. Take your thumb and touch the middle of your pointer finger or the 'middle phalanx'. Now lay the middle of your thumb against your middle finger's 'proximal phalanx'. Don't attempt if stoned.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Bigfeely123]
#23681798 - 09/26/16 11:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i saw a tek awhile ago about deep frying shrooms you might wanna give it a try.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: superbarnie]
#23681828 - 09/27/16 12:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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dried, ground, and powdered. Put in capsules, chocolate, tea, pbj sand, etc...I get stomach issues as well eating them. Grinding them makes the discomfort minimal to none. I read somewhere that the material is really tough and the feeling in your stomach trying to digest them makes one sick. Dried and ground FTW!
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
#23682136 - 09/27/16 03:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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FrozenHappiness said: Culinary mushrooms should be cooked because their moist surfaces are a breeding ground for bacteria, so they are a potential vector for food poisoning. Making tea out of psychoactive species lessen stomach issues related to digestion of the chitin in the mushroom's cell wall. However, there is a pharmacological reason psychoactive species cause nausea as well. Psilocybin effects the serotonin receptors in the gut. These effects slow down intestinal peristalsis which can increase the likelihood of stomach issues if there is too much partially digested food in the intestines. That is why it is recommended to fast from 2-6 hours (depending on the individual) before dosing. Even when dosing on an empty stomach there is no guarantee that your experience will be nausea free. Psilocybin's interactions with the gut's serotonin receptors alone can cause uncomfortable stomach sensations -- most notably the anxious, butterfly feeling during the come-up, and sometimes outright nausea throughout the trip.
Taking something that also has an affinity for the serotonin receptors in the gut prior to dosing (like ginger or lemon balm) can mitigate some of these pharmacological effects, but it won't eliminate all of them. Part of the mushroom experience is dealing with weird body stuff. Buy the ticket. Take the ride.
If this is true, then I'll get sick every time no matter what method I use unless I also take something that will affect gut receptors like lemon or ginger. No?
I don't like getting sick. But the real problem is that I'm throwing up some of my dose. I'll never get to "break through" or a higher level by puking up half my dose. I didn't start all of this to "get high". I'm shooting for something bigger.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Bernard]
#23682225 - 09/27/16 05:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Maybe try snorting the shrooms or perhaps shooting them up? This could eliminate the stomach problems. (Jokes)
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: TedTheHighlighter]
#23682237 - 09/27/16 05:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Eat rice with ginger and rosemary 6-8 hours before dosing. Eat nothing else, drink water.
Make a tea with ginger in it and add mushrooms. Steep, enjoy.
This is personally how I get through anything over an eighth. Eating more than an eighth gets a little hard on my stomach as well. Be warned though, lemon in your tea will shorten the trip and intensify it.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: nuentoter]
#23682331 - 09/27/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know, you probably could sautee some cubes with a bit of butter, oil, spices and serve them with some mashed potatoes. Doesn't sound bad to me, and if you keep the heat low it shouldn't be too hard on potency. Just try it and report back.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: nuentoter]
#23682666 - 09/27/16 09:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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nuentoter said: Eat rice with ginger and rosemary 6-8 hours before dosing. Eat nothing else, drink water.
Make a tea with ginger in it and add mushrooms. Steep, enjoy.
This is personally how I get through anything over an eighth. Eating more than an eighth gets a little hard on my stomach as well. Be warned though, lemon in your tea will shorten the trip and intensify it.
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: tyrannicalrex]
#23709551 - 10/05/16 10:56 AM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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So here's an idea....
Many of us clone or isolate or grow mono cultures in an attempt to grow a mushroom that is
more potent bigger faster prettier etc.
Did anyone ever try to clone a mushroom that was easier on the stomach? Did anyone ever notice a batch of mushrooms that caused more or less naseau?
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Re: Why is it the norm to eat 'magic' mushrooms raw when all gourmet species need to be cooked? [Re: Bernard]
#23711857 - 10/05/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Just brew tea with lemon and ginger. Super easy on the stomach. I stopped having problems with bodyload after I switched to tea. Now if anything my body feels great. Zero stomach issues.
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