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The root cause of our damaged hearts
    #23673136 - 09/24/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.asha.org/Practice-Portal/Clinical-Topics/Social-Communication-Disorders-in-School-Age-Children/

Worth a read.

Basically as I understand it, parents never learned how to really express their love and it's affected us all.

My parents went through the hippie generation and they still have puritanical conditionings.

It's just all fucked puritanical bullshit.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: yeah]
    #23673237 - 09/24/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the article goes wrong for me the minute it lists 'disorders' like 'ADHD' without mentioning ADHD is a complete fraud diagnosis. HOW can you listen to anyone pretending to tell you what is wrong when THEY accept the very toxic myths this culture puts out which screw children and adults the F up?


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: zzripz]
    #23673270 - 09/24/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Honestly I didn't really read the article but all I know is that communication disorder in families will cause mental illness.

Game playing. Hinting. Saying one thing and meaning another... the American Way pretty much

If you can't roll with candor then you don't make it.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: yeah]
    #23673341 - 09/24/16 09:15 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Another thing that I just realized is that my parents do not realize the difference between wrath and candor.

I mean, I'm gonna have to drill it in their heads... but I'm an empath so it isn't really good for me when they make me do it.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: yeah] * 1
    #23673411 - 09/24/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah said:
Honestly I didn't really read the article but all I know is that communication disorder in families will cause mental illness.

Game playing. Hinting. Saying one thing and meaning another... the American Way pretty much

If you can't roll with candor then you don't make it.




Although I know parents can destroy their kids, to really get to the roots we have to look directly down the line to what causes their abuse which in turn affects us etc etc etc

With me, I have recounted this story a lot. I had become very dulled to the natural world, and began being obsessed with cities. it was being turned onto LSD when 15 which flushed that evil blockage away. it wasn't a 'and he lived happily ever after' though--it's more complicated than that. But I am aware how those trips I had helped remove this block that had come between me and nature.
And I see this block everywhere now. How we are destroying the natural world. This is the epitome of insanity because all life depends on the web of life. We are nature.

But you look around any many are absorbed by the gadgetry of the technomatrix and oblivious to what is happening to the real world

So I feel the urgent need to look into that. not only because of my dramatic turnaround many years ago when 15 with the acid, but what I am learning since

How the fundamentalist, and mechanical mindsets treats nature and other species it treats other humans the same way. We become commodities to be exploited and profited from


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23673451 - 09/24/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

great hearts emerge from the muck,
shine as brightly as you can, and when accused of inadequate parenting just keep shining.

many kids expect the light within to be kindled by others.

that type of light is just tradition, ritual, and show, the real light requires an inner resolve which is not dependent on influence.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23673452 - 09/24/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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zzripz said:
the article goes wrong for me the minute it lists 'disorders' like 'ADHD' without mentioning ADHD is a complete fraud diagnosis. HOW can you listen to anyone pretending to tell you what is wrong when THEY accept the very toxic myths this culture puts out which screw children and adults the F up?




Are you simply talking about medication? There are some pretty good treatments for ADHD that don't revolve around that you know.

And I tend to agree with the idea that our culture is over-stimulating and shortening attention span. That bouncing from thing to thing with a tremendous lack of focus is unhealthy and a growing "disorder". I don't agree with medication as a solution however but it is a primary one. There are a lot of other approaches that have developed though and I don't think they developed around a myth so much as a real growing problem within our technological era.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #23674294 - 09/24/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you simply talking about medication? There are some pretty good treatments for ADHD that don't revolve around that you know.




No, I am meaning the very 'diagnosis' is hoax. So eg if I say I can treat your 'ADHD' with good nutrition instead of drugs, I am still then confirming a bogus label by using it!


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: zzripz] * 2
    #23674309 - 09/24/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

ADHD And other medical labels are just used as a tool so that we wouldnt understand the reality of an issue. Our "distraction" is what we are being distracted from. They want us focused on school work. When we are "distracted" by self awareness. We have been programmed to have an opinion. Desensitized


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: zzripz]
    #23675630 - 09/25/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you simply talking about medication? There are some pretty good treatments for ADHD that don't revolve around that you know.




No, I am meaning the very 'diagnosis' is hoax. So eg if I say I can treat your 'ADHD' with good nutrition instead of drugs, I am still then confirming a bogus label by using it!



that's just MORE bogus. treat it with "good nutrition".

fucking absurd. you gonna cure cancer too?


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: bigdoodie] * 2
    #23675636 - 09/25/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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ADHD And other medical labels are just used as a tool so that we wouldnt understand the reality of an issue. Our "distraction" is what we are being distracted from. They want us focused on school work. When we are "distracted" by self awareness. We have been programmed to have an opinion. Desensitized



ADHD people have super anti-bullshit powers, and can see past the meaninglessness of it all, and thus are proclaimed deficient in attention...or they're just lacking attention because this world demands too much of people's attention with distraction being condemned as frivolous.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: yeah]
    #23675667 - 09/25/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Honestly I didn't really read the article but all I know is that communication disorder in families will cause mental illness.




Unstable parents who lack parenting skills don't cause "mental illness" in their kids.

"mental illness" implies a biological disease - a malfunction of physiological processes


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
    #23675816 - 09/25/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ah


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23675899 - 09/25/16 05:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Are you simply talking about medication? There are some pretty good treatments for ADHD that don't revolve around that you know.




No, I am meaning the very 'diagnosis' is hoax. So eg if I say I can treat your 'ADHD' with good nutrition instead of drugs, I am still then confirming a bogus label by using it!




All labels are bogus in a way.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: Kickle]
    #23676148 - 09/25/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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zzripz said:
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Are you simply talking about medication? There are some pretty good treatments for ADHD that don't revolve around that you know.




No, I am meaning the very 'diagnosis' is hoax. So eg if I say I can treat your 'ADHD' with good nutrition instead of drugs, I am still then confirming a bogus label by using it!




All labels are bogus in a way.




well sell by dates labels, and GM free are very useful


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: zzripz] * 1
    #23676281 - 09/25/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

those ones not really for me but others yes

goes to show a label is as only good or bad as the person who is interpreting it I guess


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: yeah]
    #23692770 - 09/30/16 12:38 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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. . . all I know is that communication disorder in families will cause mental illness.




Parental behavior can adversely effect a child's development, to such as degree as to cause neurosis

Neurosis (rage, depression, anxiety, etc) is not a biological defect ("mental illness")

Parents often put huge pressures on children. Sometimes exerting smothering love and/or intimidation.

Parents sometimes instill great fear in their children and demand constant devotion.

Sometimes a child is forced to take sides in a battle between parents.

Some parents cultivate an environment of tyranny and glorification.

In such environments, children become insecure, apprehensive, isolated and resentful.

These kids don't develop normal self-respect and balanced mental health.


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    #23693333 - 09/30/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I was one of them.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: yeah]
    #23695475 - 09/30/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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I was one of them.




Yeah, me too.


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Re: The root cause of our damaged hearts [Re: RJ Tubs 202] * 2
    #23695542 - 09/30/16 09:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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yeah said:

. . . all I know is that communication disorder in families will cause mental illness.




Parental behavior can adversely effect a child's development, to such as degree as to cause neurosis

Neurosis (rage, depression, anxiety, etc) is not a biological defect ("mental illness")

Parents often put huge pressures on children. Sometimes exerting smothering love and/or intimidation.

Parents sometimes instill great fear in their children and demand constant devotion.

Sometimes a child is forced to take sides in a battle between parents.

Some parents cultivate an environment of tyranny and glorification.

In such environments, children become insecure, apprehensive, isolated and resentful.

These kids don't develop normal self-respect and balanced mental health.






Narcissism is the major player in my family, with parents putting their needs first before their children's needs, which has stunted the growth of many people in my family, and is a cycle I will not repeat, I will die before I become like them.

But much of what you said RJ, is spot on for narcissistic parents.

If you're interested in reading about first hand accounts from people abused by narcissism, check out this subreddit.


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