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Being a white person
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Being white is hard these days. If your proud to be white you can be labeled a racist. If you like Donald trump you can be considered a racist . Am I suppose to feel guilt about what happened to black people in the past. I personally don't feel bad because i had nothing to do with it.the us is fucked up country man. If your white these days your a devil price of shit.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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it's impossible for other races to understand the daily struggles for a white male such as myself, they act like they know but they just don't get it man
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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I dunno, being white has worked out pretty good so far. I don't think i would trade even if it came with a much bigger dong. Not that i'm on top of the world, and not that i've never had the cops points guns at me, but on balance, being a white dude seems like an advantage in many respects. 
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Re: Being a white person [Re: ballsalsa]
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because it definitely is, except when applying for university scholarships then it definitely isn't
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#23672644 - 09/23/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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>>'your' in place of 'you're' Homie, you've got other things to worry about than melanin
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Re: Being a white person [Re: MkUltra117]
#23672650 - 09/23/16 11:29 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I never did understand being proud of one's SKIN color.
I understand being proud of one's ancestory and culture and country and the things one's "people" have done.
Me, I'm from the south and I'm white. I'm not proud of living in the south, or proud of being white. I am proud of my heritage and the some of the history of my ancestors. Not all of it is pretty. I am descended from the Hatfields. I'm not proud of the level of stupidity in that family feud but I do respect my distant family's hardcore sense of honor and family connection. But I'm also descended Pocahontas' father, cheif Powhatan. I am not just proud of my confederate ancestory shit, like alot of the redneck idiots in the south that like to wave the generic flag like they know anything about their own history, but I'm also proud of my native blood. I respect the depth and commitment and culture of those who have lived and died and ultimately helped make my life.
Both have bathed this country in blood. No more than any other people. Both ultimately did what they thought was right. And both had senses of honor, compassion, values, and a deep rooted sense of freedom - that is what I am proud of.
Tbh imho those who are ignorant of history and culture have superficial pride.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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Your grammar tells me you probably rode to school on the short bus, then most likely stopped going all together. Your opinion is valid, however. My brother in law believes that satan put dinosaur bones on the earth to test our faith. Should I have to apologize for his stupidity? No. Should I have to apologize for my ancestor's stupidity? No.
I have a German chemistry prof who feels the same way. German national pride is nearly non existent because of past events.
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That I find sad. My gf is German and I love her family's culture and she is proud of her heritage. But she talks about it less than I talk about what other people see as my inbred ancestors having a small hillbilly war over a pig. Which isn't often.
Race pride, like most everything else these days, is shallow and rides on stereotypes. No one pays attention or gives a shit what you are actually proud of.
Its like being proud of being gay. Being gay is a rediculous thing to be proud of. Coming out and personally facing severe bigotry and possibly feuds within your own family but still being open and happy with your sexuality is something to be proud of. But then so many people are so sensitive these days they tend to think that overcoming their fear of coming out when it's quite accepted now is something to be proud of.
Even people that acknowledge being proud of how far gay rights have come know little of the history behind it, how badly gay people were treated, or how hard people fought for it and how much they risked.
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Right? Do you know how much of our modern science we owe to the germans? Holy shit. The past 100 years have completely revolutionized and rewritten common ideas and foundations in chemistry/physics...thanks to mostly germans. And this was all pre-Hitler, mind you. Still, being proud of your german heritage is almost unheard of these days.
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If I was black and went to college or was hired for a job just because i'm black and not based on my merits I would feel mildly offended.
Affirmative action and "workplace diversity" are complete and utter bullshit and it's shocking and offensive these things are accepted parts of our modern society.
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Uh oh someone call the thought police. Those are unsafe ideas, buddy. Better check yourself before you trigger a meltdown.
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So giving people an advantage in getting a job or getting into college based solely on their race and not on their merits is a good idea?
I'm all for diversity but not at the expense of others.
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You can be tots white as snow and proud of it without being a racist tho, all you have to do is not be racist.
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The term "the most qualified person should get the job" was recently added to some bullshit list of "micro aggressions" that should be avoided. Apparently, its an insult to people who arent qualified to get the job, but feel they deserve the job because they arent cis white males and therefore live a life a constant repression.
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Is that real luvdemboomers ?
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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i seriously doubt it
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I can't stop watching that for some reason
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Ifishhigh said: Being white is hard these days.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Ifishhigh said: Being white is hard these days.

Being anybody is hard.
That being said, I'd say in many aspects being a minority is easier. Particularly as far as getting into college and getting and keeping a job goes.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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Ifishhigh said: I can't stop watching that for some reason
Its cause hes white.
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You can be tots white as snow and proud of it without being a racist tho, all you have to do is not be racist.
Turtletotem for president.
hey, that's a stature of arminius! He's perhaps the most badass german of antiquity. for an interesting recounting of his story, i suggest Sir Edward Creasy's "The Fifteen Decisive Battles of the World: From Marathon to Waterloo"
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Re: Being a white person [Re: ballsalsa]
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Try being happy to be you
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
#23673494 - 09/24/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ifishhigh said: Being white is hard these days. If your proud to be white you can be labeled a racist. If you like Donald trump you can be considered a racist . Am I suppose to feel guilt about what happened to black people in the past. I personally don't feel bad because i had nothing to do with it.the us is fucked up country man. If your white these days your a devil price of shit.
Does the devil get good rates on shit? What is the devil price of shit where you live?
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Nobody who is white should be complaining about being white. White people do not "have it hard these days". I'm white, and yes it is annoying that being white can hinder your ability to get into college or get a job. And it is upsetting when people assume you are privileged. However, white people in no way suffer more because of their skin color than minorities do. Racism still exists. Even in small ways. Minorities are much more likely to be targeted by police or stereotyped by every day people. Many of them grow up in an environment that tells them they have to be a certain type of person just because of their race. Like someone above me said, life is hard no matter your skin color. The world is becoming more and more monoracially minded, which is a good thing. My guess from your post is, you probably wish minorities would stop complaining about how hard it is to be minorities. Well guess what, if that's what you want then you can't complain about being white. Love who you are and other people are more likely to do the same
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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Ifishhigh said: Is that real luvdemboomers ?
It's from some stupid movie, and the slide doesn't even move. Of course it's not real.
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Ifishhigh said: Being white is hard these days. If your proud to be white you can be labeled a racist. If you like Donald trump you can be considered a racist . Am I suppose to feel guilt about what happened to black people in the past. I personally don't feel bad because i had nothing to do with it.the us is fucked up country man. If your white these days your a devil price of shit.
Does the devil get good rates on shit? What is the devil price of shit where you live?
The devil has cornered the shit market. Apparently he is getting ready to pump and dump.
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I_was_the_walrus said: I have a German chemistry prof who feels the same way. German national pride is nearly non existent because of past events.
Haha, true. I was just reading about how JRR Tolkien thought that was one of the worst crimes of Hitler. Diminishing the amazing history of the Germanic people.
But anyway, being white has almost always been plus for me. Except that time I lived in a country that was 99% black. Or the time I lived in the city that was 58% mexican. That was a little iffy though. If I was on the mexican side of town, the side I lived on, then it was usually a minus.
But in every other situation I can only say that being white has been awesome and I'm glad I'm this color and not another color. Not because I'm racist, but because of all the other racists. Being in the majority is almost always better than the minority. People whining about being white just don't get it. Have you ever lived somewhere where you were the 3% minority? You should try it. It'll completely change your mind about it being hard to be white.
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Being anybody is hard.
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identity politics are annoying, but an unavoidable fallout of history I suppose. They won't be so annoying forever though, already the public's patience is going fast
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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Where I live there is a mexican guy, we both have lived here 10+ years. We always use to say hi and smile, you know, normal neighbor stuff, past few times I have seen him I smile and say hello, he just looks straight ahead and keeps walking.
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I've always seen it as more of a war on culture than anything else, but people tend to stereotype others based on their appearances and assume theyre part of that culture. War on culture is still bad, depending on the culture.., but being prejudice and acting on ur pre judgments with such hate or violence is much worse..
I try not to label myself, nor anyone else, as anything nowadays, kinda just trying to undo all the bullshit programming societies tend to impose.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Sanguin3]
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Sanguin3 said: It's not hard to be white lol. I've never once been called a racist because I've never given anyone a reason to and I don't hang out with minorities
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Shroomism]
#23675506 - 09/24/16 11:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Busted his racist cherry
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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All the evidence points to Africans having inferior intellect and being exceedingly violent and criminal. Africa is a uncivilized shithole. The Africans in the US display the same level of retardation as their African counterparts. Almost all whites are too cowardly to admit what's in plane sight. they don't want to upset the savages or appear "racist". The finger pointing and vilification of the police force needs to end. Blacks need to start taking responsibility for their actions. We all need to stop putting the idea out that they're the victims when they're the ones committing most of the crime.
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Love_spirit said: All the evidence points to Africans having inferior intellect and being exceedingly violent and criminal. Africa is a uncivilized shithole. The Africans in the US display the same level of retardation as their African counterparts. Almost all whites are too cowardly to admit what's in plane sight. they don't want to upset the savages or appear "racist". The finger pointing and vilification of the police force needs to end. Blacks need to start taking responsibility for their actions. We all need to stop putting the idea out that they're the victims when they're the ones committing most of the crime.
how do you explain intelligent blacks then, non violent blacks, or the correlation between poverty a lack of education and criminal behavior, and the correlation between -in the us- being black and being poor and/or poorly educated? Also if whites are inherently superior, why do the whites in these ghetto communities act as the blacks do, committing similar crimes, also contributing little to society etc, and what of rednecks and trailer trash?
really posting this sort of rubbish ought to be worthy of a ban imo
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I have to say I believe today politicians are using raciest/bias/prejudice, rhetoric against us to 'divide and concur'
Most seem to use the term raciest and prejudice interchangeably, which they are not.
Most times what is called racism is just prejudice.
theirs nothing inherently wrong with prejudice, it's a survival instinct that has served us well and continues to (not to down play the negative effects thow).
--- prejudice 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. 2. any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.
Is a crime any worse of a crime becouse of the reasons why it was committed ? ?
All this racism rhetoric is nothing but a attempt for society to self censor it's self, and it works. When we self censor we can not openly explore some of today's problems, or we risk major backlash.
We are different in many ways to pretend any different is lying to yourself, And we pass these traits on to the younger generation to further the issues.
Most of today's polices that try to mend the problems of racism/prejudiced have the exact opposite effect. Forced integration creates anger and hostility in most cases (not to mention they are mostly prejudiced themselves).
As long as their have ben people who identify differently racism/prejudice has existed and it will continue to exist. The only thing we can do is minimize the negative effects of it.
By the way im a white american of eastern europen decent, My family and people have a very long history enslavement in the US and abroad that most conveniently forget. Why is this ? ? Politics
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ezuma]
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in the pub it probably is, but then again, Pris might hand down a for "redneck" or "trailer trash" too
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Love_spirit said: All the evidence points to Africans having inferior intellect and being exceedingly violent and criminal. Africa is a uncivilized shithole. The Africans in the US display the same level of retardation as their African counterparts. Almost all whites are too cowardly to admit what's in plane sight. they don't want to upset the savages or appear "racist". The finger pointing and vilification of the police force needs to end. Blacks need to start taking responsibility for their actions. We all need to stop putting the idea out that they're the victims when they're the ones committing most of the crime.
I would agree with you if you substituted 'African American CULTURE' for Africans.
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I agree that the issue of race is intentionally being used to divide the underclasses, and distract from a bigger issue which is class. Races after all, are essentially visibly identifiable classes, stereo typically, with blacks being considered y default part of the underclass, whereas whites get a bit more benefit of the doubt perhaps, but the difference between a poor black man and a poor white man aren't so great as many would like us to believe.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ezuma]
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And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Blacks are disproportionately poor due to slavery and then all the downtrodding leading up to the civil rights movement. There hasn't been enough time or resources to balance all that out yet. The great grandfathers of black people of today lived in a world where they were hated and distrusted and forced to live in those shitholes. Two generations isn't as much time as people think it is to move on out of social constructs alone. That's why ideas of racism and male dominance are still around. Obviously its. Not the glaring prejudices and bigotry of our grandfathers time, but small subtle remnants of that culture do still exist.
In much the same light, one generation is entirely about small biding recovery, still fighting for equal rights on more specific and local issues. So the grandparents of these people also likely dealt with alot of bullshit and racist fueled inequality. And it is their parents generation that had the legal playing field and outright prejudice was finally evened out. Many worked hard and moved out in these generations. But still in more than enough many could not overcome their living situations, personal lack of resources or their family's history and got stuck, in one way or another.
It will continue to improve. As long as this bullshit helpless victim mentality doesn't consume everyone. As it seems apt to.
Don't think love spirit's post is worthy of a ban, but I do find it a bit silly how the lack of education are the fuel behind both problems.
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true, and i suppose allowing all opinions to be expressed is really preferable since one can then openly counter and dismiss ideas which otherwise would simmer under the surface, and even seem to gain some validity due to censorship so ya I agree
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ezuma]
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I do know white business-owners and bosses who refuse to hire white people.
Instead they hire Mexicans, who work hard.
Poor white boy. Has to stay at home on the couch drinking beer all day . . .
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh]
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
They certainly are shitholes, but you get what you pay for. And poor neighborhoods pay very little in compared to other area's. Much of the money their district gets is from state funds. State funds stolen from other area's. And what they do have is often horribly mis-managed by their district Wealth re-distribution BS.
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Not what I said, or implied, but I can't argue with a lot of the points. It is rather rare that middle-class would do their shopping in the ghetto. And considering large numbers of the residents being on food stamps... Yeah there is very little money circulation in the areas in general which limits jobs and limits pay. Fewer people have cars and often fewer people feel safe in such places waiting for a bus. I imagine its difficult just to scrap up the cash just to go outside the area and apply for jobs. And with most applications being online these days, that's another bus trip to the library. I'd personally not want to be getting home after dark in the ghetto.
Dunno about measurable difference in the hardships of color, but it sure as fuck is hard to be poor.
Before anyone jumps on me, I know alot of low income neighborhoods are relatively safe, or safe enough to use public transportation, and even poor people often have cars and smartphones. Again the point is that considerably more in the lower class have none or few of these things we tend to take for granted.
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And with most applications being online these days, that's another bus trip to the library.
Most of the homeless people I see have smart phones.
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I was rather under privileged and temporarily homeless at one point in my life. I can only imagine how difficult and how much time it would have taken if my family didn't intervene and help pull me back up to my feet.
Honestly I'd have probably committed suicide or have gone down the tube with drug addiction and theft. Starving and being stuck when most of the world assumes you get handed things in life for being lazy, no matter how hard you actually work, really fucks with a persons psyche after a while. It has always frustrated me to no end that a persons merit in life is determined by their ability to work for money.
And the government doesn't help when they just simply throw money at people under certain incomes.
Only churches do that. And even then you have to follow what is recognized by the church.
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And with most applications being online these days, that's another bus trip to the library.
Most of the homeless people I see have smart phones.
Indeed I've seen alot of homeless with smartphones these days, compared to what it used to be. Though I do also think this is a regional thing. As a HOMELESS person, if you don't have a smartphone then you may as well have nothing. Most of the places in the country do not have payphones anymore and homeless people tend not to be treated all that nicely when asking to use someone's phone. And good luck getting a job without a number. Or even an ambulance.
Impoverished people who have housing (especially government housing) though is a bit different. They often have landlines instead. There is little incentive to carry around something that costs more and is cconsiderably more likely to be lost or stolen than the alternatives if you don't NEED it.
But you're right in general a surprising number of poor people have smartphones. And that alone gives them a load of resources they wouldn't otherwise have. For that reason, unless I am mistaken, there are programs and charities that give out prepaid smartphones.
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These days huh? So you measure how easy it is to be a race not by other racial groups difficulties but by the past of how easy white people used to have it.
So what were the good ole days?
The years where blacks were supposed to STFU and not complain? War on drugs era? Pre civil rights era? Lynching era? Jim Crow era? Back in the days of slavery?
What were the golden days for being white and why was it so?
Why was it so?
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
Unfortunately, this points out big problems. Schools do need to be better in America. I've often thought how kids should get more individual focus. As far as the minority children go, it's a shame when they don't take school seriously, something that happens a lot. This certaintly isn't always the case, as many minority students show to be exceptionally hard working. However, many do not. I don't think it's the kids faults. Part of it lies on the parents to push their kids to work hard for their education, something that can literally take them anywhere in life. School becomes a free meal for many children when they aren't motivated and are influenced by their peers and culture to focus on other things.
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
Oh, well, i suppose 2 anecdotes about white folks who did not enjoy teaching at schools with high percentage minorities is enough evidence to prove that blacks are mentally and culturally inferior to whites...wait, no it isn't.
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
Actually that does have something to do with money. Smaller classes / higher teacher to student ratio equals more individualized attention. Which provides a higher chance of a sense of care from the teacher to the student and therefore more incentive to learn. It's hard to care about yourself when you feel no one cares about you. And the condition of many of these schools sends a pretty clear message - if merit of a person is based on money then no one who really matters cares about you as a poor person in a poverty stricken community.
Furthermore, what incentive do teachers and administration have to do a better job? I remember reading, last year I think, Detroit teachers went on strike because the city did not have the funds to pay them. We live in a society where every sense of social standing is largely determined by money.
As a teacher who at a school in poor structural condition, severely limited resources, students with no incentive to learn and less to respect their environment, students who often can't provide their own materials and a school system that does not, parents constantly antagonizing them (as is common in most public schools these days), and a public funding system that gives them the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel and are promised only that even after the barrel has been wiped clean.... Do you really think that has absolutely nothing to do with money?
Money goes a long way in improving people's attitudes and willingness to participate and put effort into their work. Because our society is designed around that. Money is incentive. Hire more teachers and pay them more and fix just the infrastructure of these schools and provide pens and paper free of charge and I can almost guarantee you statistics on minority education would drastically improve in less than a decade.
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But we can't have that. Our society and our economic model requires a lower class with the upper class we have. High school diplomas don't mean what they used to. If the rate of high school drop outs were the same in the lower class as the middle class then inflation would reflect that. Instead of bringing the lower class up to the middle class you'd be bringing the middle class down to the lower class.
Limited number of jobs means that if almost all people have a certain level of education then employers would pay the lowest wages they could at what would be a standard education. In fact, thanks to Obama's no child left behind shit this is already happening. And we are seeing a very similar trend in the bachelor's degree job market. Minimum wage is an arbitrary number that doesn't actually mean all that much. Consumerism has prices that people can afford to pay. If everyone can afford to pay more then everything will cost more. That's exactly why a 15 dollar minimum wage is so rediculous. Even bumping it up to 10 would seriously hurt the middle class.
We honestly need an entire economic overhaul if anything is ever going to really change for the better.
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What's is the devil's price of shit in American dollars honkey racist?
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CookieCrumbs said: But we can't have that. Our society and our economic model requires a lower class with the upper class we have. High school diplomas don't mean what they used to. If the rate of high school drop outs were the same in the lower class as the middle class then inflation would reflect that. Instead of bringing the lower class up to the middle class you'd be bringing the middle class down to the lower class.
Limited number of jobs means that if almost all people have a certain level of education then employers would pay the lowest wages they could at what would be a standard education. In fact, thanks to Obama's no child left behind shit this is already happening. And we are seeing a very similar trend in the bachelor's degree job market. Minimum wage is an arbitrary number that doesn't actually mean all that much. Consumerism has prices that people can afford to pay. If everyone can afford to pay more then everything will cost more. That's exactly why a 15 dollar minimum wage is so rediculous. Even bumping it up to 10 would seriously hurt the middle class.
We honestly need an entire economic overhaul if anything is ever going to really change for the better.
I am sure it was Bush's "no child left behind" shit, not Obama's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Child_Left_Behind_Act
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They should add micro aggressions to the recent list of some bullshit. The concept of a microaggression wasn't invented and taken seriously till like 2013. Before that the concept was so absurd it literally didn't exist. But now you're using "cis" to describe a normal male. We no longer have anything to discuss Sooooo crazy.
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
Unfortunately, this points out big problems. Schools do need to be better in America. I've often thought how kids should get more individual focus. As far as the minority children go, it's a shame when they don't take school seriously, something that happens a lot. This certaintly isn't always the case, as many minority students show to be exceptionally hard working. However, many do not. I don't think it's the kids faults. Part of it lies on the parents to push their kids to work hard for their education, something that can literally take them anywhere in life. School becomes a free meal for many children when they aren't motivated and are influenced by their peers and culture to focus on other things.
"I don't think it's the kids fault"
Their parents really suck and as a result the kids end up sucking. Even at a young age, these kids end up as damaged goods.
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
Actually that does have something to do with money. Smaller classes / higher teacher to student ratio equals more individualized attention. Which provides a higher chance of a sense of care from the teacher to the student and therefore more incentive to learn. It's hard to care about yourself when you feel no one cares about you. And the condition of many of these schools sends a pretty clear message - if merit of a person is based on money then no one who really matters cares about you as a poor person in a poverty stricken community.
Furthermore, what incentive do teachers and administration have to do a better job? I remember reading, last year I think, Detroit teachers went on strike because the city did not have the funds to pay them. We live in a society where every sense of social standing is largely determined by money.
As a teacher who at a school in poor structural condition, severely limited resources, students with no incentive to learn and less to respect their environment, students who often can't provide their own materials and a school system that does not, parents constantly antagonizing them (as is common in most public schools these days), and a public funding system that gives them the scrapings from the bottom of the barrel and are promised only that even after the barrel has been wiped clean.... Do you really think that has absolutely nothing to do with money?
Money goes a long way in improving people's attitudes and willingness to participate and put effort into their work. Because our society is designed around that. Money is incentive. Hire more teachers and pay them more and fix just the infrastructure of these schools and provide pens and paper free of charge and I can almost guarantee you statistics on minority education would drastically improve in less than a decade.
There's a charter school in a city not far from where I live, it has the best school with the best teachers, computers, school uniforms, ect.
The school is also full of Hispanic and black children, they might have to close the school because the children can NOT pass the basic state tests. The money did NOT make any difference, this situation is a perfect example.
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Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
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Being anybody is hard.

yup. That being said, I have never not been white(obviously)...so I have like..no frame of reference, and I can't pretend I do. As South Park so eloquently stated on racism "I don't get it". I don't understand what it feels like to navigate the world as a black person, and I understand that they are coming out of decades, no, centuries of disdvantage and it's not a binary thing(white=oppressor black= victim/good) either, it's a very complex and complicated history - I abhor the recent wave of social justice and political correctness because I feel like it infantilizes minorities, women, discourages real discussion, and is overall more racist and sexist than not and I think people as a whole deserve better than what it brings to the table, but I'm not gonna immediately swing to the other side of the fence and deny that black people don't face obstacles and racism that white people don't.
On another note, I don't think my life is hard at all though, not compared to other folks out there in the world. I think we are at a unique time in our history where for us particularly(first world nations) life is, as a whole, quite easy - there is nothing but abundance, and while some people here that I run into are going through what to me are unimaginable hardships....we are at a time in human history where we have so many resources at our fingertips, and we shouldn't take it forgranted because personally, I think our children and grandchildren will struggle immensely on this earth when the implications of climate change and the resulting global unrest begin to become more apparent to the average consumer in industrialized nations.
I cannot discount a person's struggle with societal prejudice due to skin color either, because I know it is there but I don't know nor can I pretend to know what it's like to live in anyone's skin but my own.
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When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
This is a disturbing reality. I experienced this in MS, 3 y.o.'s and up listening to "my neck, my back, lick my pussy and my crack" while grandma (who looked in her 50's) was doing to hump/fuck dance.
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So it's probably not the right way to phrase it. But rather they don't understand why they should learn. If you believe you have no hope to go anywhere in life, that all your hope is going to be in looking cool and acting hard, then they often have incentive to do the opposite. It's hard to be self motivated, especially when most of the people you grow up with are dejected, and insincere motivation tends to only build up resentment for authorities and educators.
I do agree that "thug life" has a glorification problem in poor communities. But that's extended beyond the poor. Even growing up in the lower middle class I saw alot of that mentality. I'd always enjoyed learning and challenging myself, my biggest problem in school was that it had eventually lost all it's challenge because they school insisted on holding my hand and walking me through with all the other kids that didn't want to learn. Even for people who are motivated and do want to learn it's very hard not to get sucked up into that lifestyle when you're around it all day every day. Which is where individualized learning would go a long way. It's about more than just throwing nice things at them, its about being sincere about helping them and challenging and engaging them. American education as a whole has a problem with this. The way things are taught and learned, it feels like generic regurgitating garbage. So these kids feel they have a choice between developing street smarts, which will definitely serve them, or meaningless fact memorization, which they definitely don't feel will ever serve them (and lets be honest most higher level math, a majority of history, and complex literature/composition skills are something most of us very rarely use.)
They already resent authority. All they often see school as is working hard and sucking up to authority so that they can grow up and suck up to authority. Tbh that doesn't give me alot of incentive to work hard either. And the way American education functions now, that's basically all it really is.
There's another thread where I addressed some of this. Something about how can so educated people be so stupid. That's why. Education is meant to be a ladder you climb to kiss up to people above you so you can kiss up more and slowly climb your way up to them, but most likely will never reach them anyway.
At the very bottom you see alot of the contradictions in the ideals other people live by. Pretty much nothing in our system works the way we like to think it works. Degradation of society as a whole is happening.
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I would also add that the "bucket of crabs" theory is prevalent within some or most of the communities that are "poor".
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Asante]
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Ifishhigh said: Being white is hard these days.
These days huh? So you measure how easy it is to be a race not by other racial groups difficulties but by the past of how easy white people used to have it.
So what were the good ole days?
The years where blacks were supposed to STFU and not complain? War on drugs era? Pre civil rights era? Lynching era? Jim Crow era? Back in the days of slavery?
What were the golden days for being white and why was it so?
Why was it so?
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tyrannicalrex said: I would also add that the "bucket of crabs" theory is prevalent within some or most of the communities that are "poor".
Thats very true. The poor are holding themselves down or the elite would be done for.
Its one of the mechanisms that made slavery work. Very apparent in much of hiphop today.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Asante]
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Cornell West stated that "rap is a modern day minstrel show". I think he is right mostly.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071209175648AAJQfEw
Look at soulja boy, flava flav, and even Flavor of love. They just reinforce blackface archetypes. Its obvious that there is an alternative to these shows or artists, but they dont sell nearly as much. Little brother had a music video about this, and BET wouldnt play it cuz it was "too intelligent for our audience".
In a supply and demand business like the music industry, what is repeatedly shown is what is known to sell. Record labels would not put out a product if they were not confident that it would make a profit. While many choose to blame network executives and heads of media, I feel that the fault lies on the consumer. While 75% of hip hop music consumers are white, that means that there is still a substantial amount of minorities who buy into these images. The market for modern day minstrelsy apparently has appeal to all audiences, regardless of race. If these records did not sell as well as they did or TV shows bring as much ratings, these portrayals would not be as prevalent as they are. In the past, the blame fell upon those in a position of authority but the real question is why we choose to support these stereotypes by buying into them.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh] 1
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You can thank the race baiter in chief and the kill whitey mainstream media. It would be 10x worse if you were a cop. College campuses are breeding grounds for anti white sentiment as well.
State University of New York at Binghamton offers 'Stop White People' course to resident advisors
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
Wow, really dude? So you're saying it's the kids fault? Yeah, let's blame children for the racial divide in our country, real smart
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Niffla]
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Re: Being a white person [Re: SonicTitan]
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Re: Being a white person [Re: ballsalsa]
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CookieCrumbs said: So it's probably not the right way to phrase it. But rather they don't understand why they should learn. If you believe you have no hope to go anywhere in life, that all your hope is going to be in looking cool and acting hard, then they often have incentive to do the opposite. It's hard to be self motivated, especially when most of the people you grow up with are dejected, and insincere motivation tends to only build up resentment for authorities and educators.
I do agree that "thug life" has a glorification problem in poor communities. But that's extended beyond the poor. Even growing up in the lower middle class I saw alot of that mentality. I'd always enjoyed learning and challenging myself, my biggest problem in school was that it had eventually lost all it's challenge because they school insisted on holding my hand and walking me through with all the other kids that didn't want to learn. Even for people who are motivated and do want to learn it's very hard not to get sucked up into that lifestyle when you're around it all day every day. Which is where individualized learning would go a long way. It's about more than just throwing nice things at them, its about being sincere about helping them and challenging and engaging them. American education as a whole has a problem with this. The way things are taught and learned, it feels like generic regurgitating garbage. So these kids feel they have a choice between developing street smarts, which will definitely serve them, or meaningless fact memorization, which they definitely don't feel will ever serve them (and lets be honest most higher level math, a majority of history, and complex literature/composition skills are something most of us very rarely use.)
They already resent authority. All they often see school as is working hard and sucking up to authority so that they can grow up and suck up to authority. Tbh that doesn't give me alot of incentive to work hard either. And the way American education functions now, that's basically all it really is.
"They already resent authority"
That's the problem, these children do NOT respect their teachers and they have horrible attitudes even at very young ages, that's the fault of their parents, not authoritative figures in the school systems.
"Tbh that doesn't give me a lot of incentive to work hard either"
Stop the excuses, everybody needs to learn to respect a certain degree of authority, it's called acting civilized.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: qman]
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CookieCrumbs said: So it's probably not the right way to phrase it. But rather they don't understand why they should learn. If you believe you have no hope to go anywhere in life, that all your hope is going to be in looking cool and acting hard, then they often have incentive to do the opposite. It's hard to be self motivated, especially when most of the people you grow up with are dejected, and insincere motivation tends to only build up resentment for authorities and educators.
I do agree that "thug life" has a glorification problem in poor communities. But that's extended beyond the poor. Even growing up in the lower middle class I saw alot of that mentality. I'd always enjoyed learning and challenging myself, my biggest problem in school was that it had eventually lost all it's challenge because they school insisted on holding my hand and walking me through with all the other kids that didn't want to learn. Even for people who are motivated and do want to learn it's very hard not to get sucked up into that lifestyle when you're around it all day every day. Which is where individualized learning would go a long way. It's about more than just throwing nice things at them, its about being sincere about helping them and challenging and engaging them. American education as a whole has a problem with this. The way things are taught and learned, it feels like generic regurgitating garbage. So these kids feel they have a choice between developing street smarts, which will definitely serve them, or meaningless fact memorization, which they definitely don't feel will ever serve them (and lets be honest most higher level math, a majority of history, and complex literature/composition skills are something most of us very rarely use.)
They already resent authority. All they often see school as is working hard and sucking up to authority so that they can grow up and suck up to authority. Tbh that doesn't give me alot of incentive to work hard either. And the way American education functions now, that's basically all it really is.
"They already resent authority"
That's the problem, these children do NOT respect their teachers and they have horrible attitudes even at very young ages, that's the fault of their parents, not authoritative figures in the school systems.
"Tbh that doesn't give me a lot of incentive to work hard either"
Stop the excuses, everybody needs to learn to respect a certain degree of authority, it's called acting civilized.
...and an adult/thinking/feeling/rational human being.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: qman]
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I'm just saying that's the way they think and from their pov they don't have much reason to think any different. They often don't know any better and those that do often fall under peer pressure.
The best thing would be to break up these communities. Put the crabs in other buckets, so to speak. Not all at once, but piece by piece place these kids in better schools, giving them better role models, better opportunity, and more concrete incentives. These kids are in environments that fuel these mentalities. The only logical thing to do would be to change their environment.
The parents often have a hard time doing this on their own, for reasons previously discussed. Government intervention of some sort seems to be the only real answer to fixing that cycle.
Unless you can think of a better idea? You seem to just want to complain about the problem. Complaining about how people act instead of taking legitimate action to correct their behavior tends to just build more resentment.
Its really not much better than our criminal justice system. You put a petty thief in prison and all you do is place them in a bucket of criminals with no real education and restrict their opportunities yet further, which in turn gives them more incentive to misbehave instead of making things bettter. They're often made worse.
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to be fair, busing has been happening for decades. There are proponents and detractors of the practice, and they probably both have good points.
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When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
Wow, really dude? So you're saying it's the kids fault? Yeah, let's blame children for the racial divide in our country, real smart
"Wow really dude?"
I blamed the parents and their shitty cultural values for teaching their children to glorify shitty behavior with the shitty music they listen to. Are you saying a 4 year old chooses to listen to trash ass music?
Being poor is every incentive to learn in order to bring yourself out of poverty. Racial divide? There are more total white people living in poverty than any other group. And guess what? I was talking about white people as well in regards to shitty values by letting children listen to garbage ass music.
It is a societal sickness and it is everywhere. I was at Dave & Busters in a Chicago suburb and there was 40" TV sets at ground level playing Nicki Minaj half naked shaking her ass. Shit's fucked.
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When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
Wow, really dude? So you're saying it's the kids fault? Yeah, let's blame children for the racial divide in our country, real smart
"Wow really dude?"
I blamed the parents and their shitty cultural values for teaching their children to glorify shitty behavior with the shitty music they listen to. Are you saying a 4 year old chooses to listen to trash ass music?
Being poor is every incentive to learn in order to bring yourself out of poverty. Racial divide? There are more total white people living in poverty than any other group. And guess what? I was talking about white people as well in regards to shitty values by letting children listen to garbage ass music.
It is a societal sickness and it is everywhere. I was at Dave & Busters in a Chicago suburb and there was 40" TV sets at ground level playing Nicki Minaj half naked shaking her ass. Shit's fucked.
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white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: ballsalsa]
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akira_akuma said: white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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akira_akuma said: white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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akira_akuma said: white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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to the last two posters:
wtf are you talking about. my sentiments portrayed in my post, i don't ultimately live by those sentiments, like i don't live my life with that view on the world day by day, looking at everyone as if those sentiments above are really applied to everyone in broad strokes. i am using this thing guys...it's called language. it's really tough to understand with your memes and your new fangled ways but...really, the sentiments above do not actually reflect anything but general overview of the hypocrisy and stupidity of this topic, and/or any topic regarding some of the revolving door idiocy in the media and within public discourse, of recent late.
so get clue you two. make a point. don't just give me your memes. it makes no sense. butthurt? WHAT butthurt? am i ok? Yes, i'm ok. i made a post on the internet, calling everyone who takes part in identity politics, stupid, because that's how i particularly feel about it. i think it's stupid. you got a problem with that? that's your butthurt, sweet cheeks. not mine.
also, i'd love to see either of you address what i said, i mean, using words. not memes, or acting baffled, and being unable to address the words within that post...the words that address an actual point. i mean, you guys can make a point, about what i said, right? about the forefathers? about how people will act as if they can't be held responsible for what their forefathers wrought, yet expect foreigners to hold up to a higher standard in that regard when entering into the discourse of their host nation?
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sometimes you gotta wonder how much drool adds up behind your common shroomery poster's keyboard.
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wtf are you talking about. my sentiments portrayed in my post, i don't ultimately live by those sentiments, like i don't live my life with that view on the world day by day, looking at everyone as if those sentiments above are really applied to everyone in broad strokes. i am using this thing guys...it's called language. it's really tough to understand with your memes and your new fangled ways but...really, the sentiments above do not actually reflect anything but general overview of the hypocrisy and stupidity of this topic, and/or any topic regarding some of the revolving door idiocy in the media and within public discourse, of recent late.
so get clue you two. make a point. don't just give me your memes. it makes no sense. butthurt? WHAT butthurt? am i ok? Yes, i'm ok. i made a post on the internet, calling everyone who takes part in identity politics, stupid, because that's how i particularly feel about it. i think it's stupid. you got a problem with that? that's your butthurt, sweet cheeks. not mine.
also, i'd love to see either of you address what i said, i mean, using words. not memes, or acting baffled, and being unable to address the words within that post...the words that address an actual point. i mean, you guys can make a point, about what i said, right? about the forefathers? about how people will act as if they can't be held responsible for what their forefathers wrought, yet expect foreigners to hold up to a higher standard in that regard when entering into the discourse of their host nation?
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You wrote fucking stupid 3 times and stupid 2 times. I saw the butt hurt flow so I posed the appropriate meme. That is all.
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like i said, i don't talk in "meme". i talk in WORDS. fascinating though.
i suppose it's also butthurt to bitch about "muh whiteness is being denigrated upon and wronged by the media!"
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Akira was butthrt cuz another peeps were butthrt about some stupid shit that they shouldn't have even been butthrt about, right akuma?.. Matata
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you're both destined to be the president of the United States. keep up the good memes.
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i just posted something on the internet. as far as i'm concerned, no harm, no foul. if people want to be constantly butthurt about identity politics, and complain that it is a bunch of bullshit, yet then turn around and cry about their "white social alienation" due to the media and academia (which is complete hyperbolic nonsense), more amusement for me.
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On the contrary, being white is one of the hardest things I've ever achieved in life. Right up there with remembering to breath when I wake up. Why are you trying to take my achievements away from me?
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PatrickKn said: On the contrary, being white is one of the hardest things I've ever achieved in life. Right up there with remembering to breath when I wake up. Why are you trying to take my achievements away from me?
white pride! they don't know our struggles I even have to put sunscreen on sometimes, and wearing yellow is always questionable
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Don't forget those "flesh colored bandages" that are never flesh colored..
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Shroomslip]
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is this another meme i'm not aware of?
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Shroomslip]
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I got a great band name Flesh Cap Yamaka/flesh yamaka/flesh colored yamaka. I may have posted this before.
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lets put it this way:
My ancestors came to this country and butchered the natives, took their homes and independence. They soon made this place their own, started bringing in slaves from Africa, and yea the Africans were selling their own people, but that's only cuz there was a demand for them. So what happens next?, time goes by and the African slaves start to gain a little independence, big mistaky little jakey, so like many years later I am born, I've got it made it, my family has fought in many wars, I guess u could say I gotta a little pull in the system, an upper hand if u may, I own land, my relatives own land, why wouldn't we?, my ancestors killed for this shit, and I'm just suppose to like give it back?, I didn't do anything, take it up with the dead mister.
So now I'm fucked, thanks to u ancestors, thanks for not taking care of ur own karma and leaving me with the dept..
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Re: Being a white person [Re: zZZz]
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all i was saying was: you expect a foreigners forefather's historical actions (that is to say, your "races" forefather's, better yet) to be taken into account, considering political discourse, then also put your forefather's historical actions into account as well.
or settle it, and leave that shit out of the present discourse, if history plays no real role, and is merely providing an anecdotal rationale, based on emotions above all else, then leave that obvious bullshittery out of the discourse.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: zZZz]
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God Emperor of Dune (Dune Chronicles, #4)
I know the evil of my ancestors because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction? because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction?
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I agree for the most part.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: PatrickKn] 1
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PatrickKn said:
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God Emperor of Dune (Dune Chronicles, #4)
I know the evil of my ancestors because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction? because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction?
would be relevant if that was actually happening. no one is conquering whiteness...not even in America is this remotely happening.
nor in Germany or Sweden. (awaits glorious response. it's ok, i know they will arrive soon, then i can say how it basically is in Germany and Sweden.)
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I'm boycotting this thread.

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Re: Being a white person [Re: Asante]
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i like being a white middle class male in america. this is about as good as it gets. only thing better would be if i was a rich white male in America
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Re: Being a white person [Re: yourboybob]
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I'll let Louis CK and Peter Tosh do the talking.
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PatrickKn said:
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God Emperor of Dune (Dune Chronicles, #4)
I know the evil of my ancestors because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction? because I am those people. The balance is delicate in the extreme. I know that few of you who read my words have ever thought about your ancestors this way. It has not occurred to you that your ancestors were survivors and that the survival itself sometimes involved savage decisions, a kind of wanton brutality which civilized humankind works very hard to suppress. What price will you pay for that suppression? Will you accept your own extinction?
would be relevant if that was actually happening. no one is conquering whiteness...not even in America is this remotely happening.
nor in Germany or Sweden. (awaits glorious response. it's ok, i know they will arrive soon, then i can say how it basically is in Germany and Sweden.)
It was relevant to what zzz was saying and I remembered the quote as I had just read it recently. Not everything is an argument for or against whatever you're arguing.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: PatrickKn]
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what i said wasn't really an argument.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Asante]
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Ifishhigh said: Being white is hard these days.
These days huh? So you measure how easy it is to be a race not by other racial groups difficulties but by the past of how easy white people used to have it.
So what were the good ole days?
The years where blacks were supposed to STFU and not complain? War on drugs era? Pre civil rights era? Lynching era? Jim Crow era? Back in the days of slavery?
What were the golden days for being white and why was it so?
Why was it so?
Doggerland days was best days for whites.
On an unrelated topic:
THE FUCKING RICH BASTARDS THAT CONTROLL OUR DEMOCRACIES ARE PITTING BLACK AGAINST WHITE TO DIVIDE THE WORKING CLASSES!
And they have been at it for a very long time, too. Look back at our history! It used to be that Europeans did not think of Africans as inferiour, lesser beings. It changed around the time serfdom got replaced by slavery.
GOD DAMN open your eyes you bloody racist idiots, we're all being played by the diabolical hands of very wealthy and very powerful people. Us working class & middle class folks MUST stand together against the real enemy or else there won't be a middle class anymore, and Asian-style sweatshops will become the norm here. Thus sayeth the Turtletotem.
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Funny you say that Turtletotem, my father is of the haplotype that lived on doggerland 10.000 years ago hunting mammoths.
My father is whiter than most here, my mother had some Kenya and India in the mix.
A sailor by heart he has the thoroughbred european expansive genes. I grew up sailing on my summer holidays, it was awesome.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: lets put it this way:
My ancestors came to this country and butchered the natives, took their homes and independence. They soon made this place their own, started bringing in slaves from Africa, and yea the Africans were selling their own people, but that's only cuz there was a demand for them. So what happens next?, time goes by and the African slaves start to gain a little independence, big mistaky little jakey, so like many years later I am born, I've got it made it, my family has fought in many wars, I guess u could say I gotta a little pull in the system, an upper hand if u may, I own land, my relatives own land, why wouldn't we?, my ancestors killed for this shit, and I'm just suppose to like give it back?, I didn't do anything, take it up with the dead mister.
So now I'm fucked, thanks to u ancestors, thanks for not taking care of ur own karma and leaving me with the dept..
So your ancestors were the early WASP settlers?
"I own land...my ancestors killed for this shit?"
So the land you currently own today was never paid for, you got it for free? I find that hard to believe.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Asante]
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Asante said: Funny you say that Turtletotem, my father is of the haplotype that lived on doggerland 10.000 years ago hunting mammoths.
My father is whiter than most here, my mother had some Kenya and India in the mix.
A sailor by heart he has the thoroughbred european expansive genes. I grew up sailing on my summer holidays, it was awesome.
I have a beard, I can come along!
That is pretty cool, Asante. I got doggerland genes as well, our ancestors hunted rabbits together I bet!
My family is also filled with wanderers and sailors, maybe it's our heritage?
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Turtletotem said:
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Asante said:
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Ifishhigh said: Being white is hard these days.
These days huh? So you measure how easy it is to be a race not by other racial groups difficulties but by the past of how easy white people used to have it.
So what were the good ole days?
The years where blacks were supposed to STFU and not complain? War on drugs era? Pre civil rights era? Lynching era? Jim Crow era? Back in the days of slavery?
What were the golden days for being white and why was it so?
Why was it so?
Doggerland days was best days for whites.
On an unrelated topic:
THE FUCKING RICH BASTARDS THAT CONTROLL OUR DEMOCRACIES ARE PITTING BLACK AGAINST WHITE TO DIVIDE THE WORKING CLASSES!
And they have been at it for a very long time, too. Look back at our history! It used to be that Europeans did not think of Africans as inferiour, lesser beings. It changed around the time serfdom got replaced by slavery.
GOD DAMN open your eyes you bloody racist idiots, we're all being played by the diabolical hands of very wealthy and very powerful people. Us working class & middle class folks MUST stand together against the real enemy or else there won't be a middle class anymore, and Asian-style sweatshops will become the norm here. Thus sayeth the Turtletotem.
"ARE PITTING BLACK AGAINST WHITE"
That's one of the main reasons why they PUT Obama into office, mission accomplished.
"open your eyes you bloody racist idiots"
You have to give the retards in BLM's a little break, they don't know they're being played as pawns, maybe one day they will wake up.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: qman]
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"ARE PITTING BLACK AGAINST WHITE"
That's one of the main reasons why they PUT Obama into office, mission accomplished.
"open your eyes you bloody racist idiots"
You have to give the retards in BLM's a little break, they don't know they're being played as pawns, maybe one day they will wake up.
Actually, I think we might be in agreement? There's bloody racist idiots with all sorts of skin colours. If the them just manipulated us whiteys to be racist, it wouldn't work very well, now would it?
Shake your brother's hand, and march onward to a better future for all of us and our children! Just telling it like it is, only for real.
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When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
Wow, really dude? So you're saying it's the kids fault? Yeah, let's blame children for the racial divide in our country, real smart
"Wow really dude?"
I blamed the parents and their shitty cultural values for teaching their children to glorify shitty behavior with the shitty music they listen to. Are you saying a 4 year old chooses to listen to trash ass music?
Being poor is every incentive to learn in order to bring yourself out of poverty. Racial divide? There are more total white people living in poverty than any other group. And guess what? I was talking about white people as well in regards to shitty values by letting children listen to garbage ass music.
It is a societal sickness and it is everywhere. I was at Dave & Busters in a Chicago suburb and there was 40" TV sets at ground level playing Nicki Minaj half naked shaking her ass. Shit's fucked.
I guess I misunderstood what you meant. It sounded to me like blame should be put on children when the idea of that would be nonsense. While I wouldn't blame "shitty music" to be the only problem among the youth, I would say that some current music is a negative influence on society.
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