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Re: Being a white person [Re: Asante]
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Cornell West stated that "rap is a modern day minstrel show". I think he is right mostly.
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071209175648AAJQfEw
Look at soulja boy, flava flav, and even Flavor of love. They just reinforce blackface archetypes. Its obvious that there is an alternative to these shows or artists, but they dont sell nearly as much. Little brother had a music video about this, and BET wouldnt play it cuz it was "too intelligent for our audience".
In a supply and demand business like the music industry, what is repeatedly shown is what is known to sell. Record labels would not put out a product if they were not confident that it would make a profit. While many choose to blame network executives and heads of media, I feel that the fault lies on the consumer. While 75% of hip hop music consumers are white, that means that there is still a substantial amount of minorities who buy into these images. The market for modern day minstrelsy apparently has appeal to all audiences, regardless of race. If these records did not sell as well as they did or TV shows bring as much ratings, these portrayals would not be as prevalent as they are. In the past, the blame fell upon those in a position of authority but the real question is why we choose to support these stereotypes by buying into them.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Ifishhigh] 1
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You can thank the race baiter in chief and the kill whitey mainstream media. It would be 10x worse if you were a cop. College campuses are breeding grounds for anti white sentiment as well.
State University of New York at Binghamton offers 'Stop White People' course to resident advisors
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3757063/State-University-New-York-Binghampton-offering-Stop-White-People-course-resident-advisors.html
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CookieCrumbs said: And many public schools in poor communities are severely under funded shitholes.
Here's two stories about public schools in minority communities, it has NOTHING to do with money.
My buddy had a co-worker at his insurance company, he is a brilliant math genius and left his job to teach high school math at a large high school with a high minority population. This guy lasted a whole two weeks at the job, all he got was insults and ridicule from the black students, nobody was there to learn.
A friend of my family (26 year old woman with 2 graduate degrees) just took a teaching job at a middle school with a high minority population. She has only been on the job for 3 weeks and she's also ready to quit. All she gets is shit from all of the students and the administration because she has standards, they truly resent a white woman trying to get things done the proper way, they don't want any standards.
She was also trying to report abuse that a student said was happening in their home life, the administration told her to mind her own business and her job was to teach.
When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
Wow, really dude? So you're saying it's the kids fault? Yeah, let's blame children for the racial divide in our country, real smart
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All I know is I hate my whiteness and my parents for forcing me to be white. I cry myself to sleep every night and drown in a puddle of white tears...why oh why was I born this way
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Re: Being a white person [Re: Niffla]
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Re: Being a white person [Re: SonicTitan]
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Re: Being a white person [Re: ballsalsa]
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CookieCrumbs said: So it's probably not the right way to phrase it. But rather they don't understand why they should learn. If you believe you have no hope to go anywhere in life, that all your hope is going to be in looking cool and acting hard, then they often have incentive to do the opposite. It's hard to be self motivated, especially when most of the people you grow up with are dejected, and insincere motivation tends to only build up resentment for authorities and educators.
I do agree that "thug life" has a glorification problem in poor communities. But that's extended beyond the poor. Even growing up in the lower middle class I saw alot of that mentality. I'd always enjoyed learning and challenging myself, my biggest problem in school was that it had eventually lost all it's challenge because they school insisted on holding my hand and walking me through with all the other kids that didn't want to learn. Even for people who are motivated and do want to learn it's very hard not to get sucked up into that lifestyle when you're around it all day every day. Which is where individualized learning would go a long way. It's about more than just throwing nice things at them, its about being sincere about helping them and challenging and engaging them. American education as a whole has a problem with this. The way things are taught and learned, it feels like generic regurgitating garbage. So these kids feel they have a choice between developing street smarts, which will definitely serve them, or meaningless fact memorization, which they definitely don't feel will ever serve them (and lets be honest most higher level math, a majority of history, and complex literature/composition skills are something most of us very rarely use.)
They already resent authority. All they often see school as is working hard and sucking up to authority so that they can grow up and suck up to authority. Tbh that doesn't give me alot of incentive to work hard either. And the way American education functions now, that's basically all it really is.
"They already resent authority"
That's the problem, these children do NOT respect their teachers and they have horrible attitudes even at very young ages, that's the fault of their parents, not authoritative figures in the school systems.
"Tbh that doesn't give me a lot of incentive to work hard either"
Stop the excuses, everybody needs to learn to respect a certain degree of authority, it's called acting civilized.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: qman]
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CookieCrumbs said: So it's probably not the right way to phrase it. But rather they don't understand why they should learn. If you believe you have no hope to go anywhere in life, that all your hope is going to be in looking cool and acting hard, then they often have incentive to do the opposite. It's hard to be self motivated, especially when most of the people you grow up with are dejected, and insincere motivation tends to only build up resentment for authorities and educators.
I do agree that "thug life" has a glorification problem in poor communities. But that's extended beyond the poor. Even growing up in the lower middle class I saw alot of that mentality. I'd always enjoyed learning and challenging myself, my biggest problem in school was that it had eventually lost all it's challenge because they school insisted on holding my hand and walking me through with all the other kids that didn't want to learn. Even for people who are motivated and do want to learn it's very hard not to get sucked up into that lifestyle when you're around it all day every day. Which is where individualized learning would go a long way. It's about more than just throwing nice things at them, its about being sincere about helping them and challenging and engaging them. American education as a whole has a problem with this. The way things are taught and learned, it feels like generic regurgitating garbage. So these kids feel they have a choice between developing street smarts, which will definitely serve them, or meaningless fact memorization, which they definitely don't feel will ever serve them (and lets be honest most higher level math, a majority of history, and complex literature/composition skills are something most of us very rarely use.)
They already resent authority. All they often see school as is working hard and sucking up to authority so that they can grow up and suck up to authority. Tbh that doesn't give me alot of incentive to work hard either. And the way American education functions now, that's basically all it really is.
"They already resent authority"
That's the problem, these children do NOT respect their teachers and they have horrible attitudes even at very young ages, that's the fault of their parents, not authoritative figures in the school systems.
"Tbh that doesn't give me a lot of incentive to work hard either"
Stop the excuses, everybody needs to learn to respect a certain degree of authority, it's called acting civilized.
...and an adult/thinking/feeling/rational human being.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: qman]
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I'm just saying that's the way they think and from their pov they don't have much reason to think any different. They often don't know any better and those that do often fall under peer pressure.
The best thing would be to break up these communities. Put the crabs in other buckets, so to speak. Not all at once, but piece by piece place these kids in better schools, giving them better role models, better opportunity, and more concrete incentives. These kids are in environments that fuel these mentalities. The only logical thing to do would be to change their environment.
The parents often have a hard time doing this on their own, for reasons previously discussed. Government intervention of some sort seems to be the only real answer to fixing that cycle.
Unless you can think of a better idea? You seem to just want to complain about the problem. Complaining about how people act instead of taking legitimate action to correct their behavior tends to just build more resentment.
Its really not much better than our criminal justice system. You put a petty thief in prison and all you do is place them in a bucket of criminals with no real education and restrict their opportunities yet further, which in turn gives them more incentive to misbehave instead of making things bettter. They're often made worse.
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to be fair, busing has been happening for decades. There are proponents and detractors of the practice, and they probably both have good points.
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When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
Wow, really dude? So you're saying it's the kids fault? Yeah, let's blame children for the racial divide in our country, real smart
"Wow really dude?"
I blamed the parents and their shitty cultural values for teaching their children to glorify shitty behavior with the shitty music they listen to. Are you saying a 4 year old chooses to listen to trash ass music?
Being poor is every incentive to learn in order to bring yourself out of poverty. Racial divide? There are more total white people living in poverty than any other group. And guess what? I was talking about white people as well in regards to shitty values by letting children listen to garbage ass music.
It is a societal sickness and it is everywhere. I was at Dave & Busters in a Chicago suburb and there was 40" TV sets at ground level playing Nicki Minaj half naked shaking her ass. Shit's fucked.
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When people claim that students that live in poverty have "no incentive to learn" they sound like a fool. Living in poverty is the highest incentive to learn- in order to bring oneself out of poverty. Stop making excuses for shitty cultural values. It isn't necessarily about race, but culture certainly plays a role. If the parents aren't teaching the children anything while playing music that glorifies violence and drug use then what the fuck do you think is going to happen? You learn your ABC's through song, what do you think the 4 year old who memorizes the lyrics to Jeezy songs is learning?
Wow, really dude? So you're saying it's the kids fault? Yeah, let's blame children for the racial divide in our country, real smart
"Wow really dude?"
I blamed the parents and their shitty cultural values for teaching their children to glorify shitty behavior with the shitty music they listen to. Are you saying a 4 year old chooses to listen to trash ass music?
Being poor is every incentive to learn in order to bring yourself out of poverty. Racial divide? There are more total white people living in poverty than any other group. And guess what? I was talking about white people as well in regards to shitty values by letting children listen to garbage ass music.
It is a societal sickness and it is everywhere. I was at Dave & Busters in a Chicago suburb and there was 40" TV sets at ground level playing Nicki Minaj half naked shaking her ass. Shit's fucked.
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white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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Re: Being a white person [Re: ballsalsa]
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akira_akuma said: white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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akira_akuma said: white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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akira_akuma said: white people are fucking stupid. black people are fucking stupid. America is fucking stupid. people whom are nationalists, who are the offspring of colonialists, whom weren't a part of history, and are in the post-modern society which doesn't take responsibility for their forefather's decisions, whom complain about foreigners and their forefather's historical precedence as "barbaric", all without a sense of irony...are stupid. 'white devil' preachers, whom forget "they" sold the slaves...are stupid.
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to the last two posters:
wtf are you talking about. my sentiments portrayed in my post, i don't ultimately live by those sentiments, like i don't live my life with that view on the world day by day, looking at everyone as if those sentiments above are really applied to everyone in broad strokes. i am using this thing guys...it's called language. it's really tough to understand with your memes and your new fangled ways but...really, the sentiments above do not actually reflect anything but general overview of the hypocrisy and stupidity of this topic, and/or any topic regarding some of the revolving door idiocy in the media and within public discourse, of recent late.
so get clue you two. make a point. don't just give me your memes. it makes no sense. butthurt? WHAT butthurt? am i ok? Yes, i'm ok. i made a post on the internet, calling everyone who takes part in identity politics, stupid, because that's how i particularly feel about it. i think it's stupid. you got a problem with that? that's your butthurt, sweet cheeks. not mine.
also, i'd love to see either of you address what i said, i mean, using words. not memes, or acting baffled, and being unable to address the words within that post...the words that address an actual point. i mean, you guys can make a point, about what i said, right? about the forefathers? about how people will act as if they can't be held responsible for what their forefathers wrought, yet expect foreigners to hold up to a higher standard in that regard when entering into the discourse of their host nation?
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