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People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru
    #23672489 - 09/23/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really fucked up stuff, i'm on my phone can someone copy-pasta for me?

http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-dark-side-of-ayahuasca-20130215


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23672510 - 09/23/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The Dark Side of Ayahuasca
By  Kelly Hearn

Credit: Eitan Abramovich / Getty Images
Kyle Nolan spent the summer of 2011 talking up a documentary called 'Stepping Into the Fire,' about the mind-expanding potential of ayahuasca. The film tells the story of a hard-driving derivatives trader and ex-Marine named Roberto Velez, who, in his words, turned his back on the "greed, power, and vice" of Wall Street after taking ayahuasca with a Peruvian shaman. The film is a slick promotion for the hallucinogenic tea that's widely embraced as a spirit cure, and for the Shimbre Shamanic Center, the ayahuasca lodge Velez built for his guru, a potbellied medicine man called Master Mancoluto. The film's message is that we Westerners have lost our way and that the ayahuasca brew (which is illegal in the United States because it contains the psychedelic compound DMT) can set us straight.

ALSO: Why Ayahuasca Is Still Having a Moment
Last August, 18-year-old Nolan left his California home and boarded a plane to the Amazon for a 10-day, $1,200 stay at Shimbre in Peru's Amazon basin with Mancoluto – who is pitched in Shimbre's promotional materials as a man to help ayahuasca recruits "open their minds to deeper realities, develop their intuitive capabilities, and unlock untapped potential." But when Nolan – who was neither "flaky" nor "unreliable," says his father, Sean – didn't show up on his return flight home, his mother, Ingeborg Oswald, and his triplet sister, Marion, went to Peru to find him. Initially, Mancoluto, whose real name is José Pineda Vargas, told them Kyle had packed his bags and walked off without a word. The shaman even joined Oswald on television pleading for help in finding her son, but the police in Peru remained suspicious. Under pressure, Mancoluto admitted that Nolan had died after an ayahuasca session and that his body had been buried at the edge of the property. The official cause of death has not yet been determined.

Pilgrims like Nolan are flocking to the Amazon in search of ayahuasca, either to expand their spiritual horizons or to cure alcoholism, depression, and even cancer, but what many of them find is a nightmare. Still, the airport in Iquitos is buzzing with ayahuasca tourism. Vans from shamanic lodges pick up psychedelic pilgrims from around the world, while taxi drivers peddle access to Indian medicine men. "It reminds me of how they sell cocaine and marijuana in Amsterdam," one local said. "Here, it's shamans and ayahuasca."


RELATED: An Expert Guide Through an Ayahuasca Ritual


Devotees talk about ayahuasca's cathartic and life-changing power, but there is a dark side to the tourism boom as well. With money rolling in and lodges popping up across Peru's sprawling Amazon, a new breed of shaman has emerged – and not all of them can be trusted with the powerful drug. Deaths like Nolan's are uncommon, but reports of molestation, rape, and negligence at the hands of predatory and inept shamans are not. In the past few years alone, a young German woman was allegedly raped and beaten by two men who had administered ayahuasca to her, two French citizens died while staying at ayahuasca lodges, and stories persist about unwanted sexual advances and people losing their marbles after being given overly potent doses. The age of ayahuasca as purely a medicinal, consciousness-raising pursuit seems like a quaint and distant past.A powerful psychedelic, DMT is a natural compound found throughout the plant kingdom and in mammals (including humans). Scientists don't know why it's so prevalent in the world, but studies suggest a role in natural dreaming. DMT doesn't work if swallowed alone, thanks to an enzyme in the gastrointestinal system that breaks it down. In a feat of prehistoric chemistry, Amazonian shamans fixed that by boiling two plants together – the ayahuasca vine and a DMT-containing shrub called chacruna – which shuts down the enzyme and allows the DMT to slip through the gut into the bloodstream.

Ayahuasca almost always induces vomiting before the hallucinogenic odyssey begins. It can be both horrifying and strangely blissful. One devotee described an ayahuasca trip as "psychotherapy on steroids." But for all the root's spiritual and therapeutic benefits, the ayahuasca boom is as wild and unmanageable as the jungle itself. One unofficial stat floating around Iquitos says the number of arriving pilgrims has grown fivefold in two years. Roger Rumrrill, a journalist who has written 25 books on the Amazon region, including several on shamanism, told me there's "a corresponding boom in charlatans – in fake shamans, who are targeting foreigners."

Few experts blame the concoction itself. Alan Shoemaker, who organizes an annual shamanism conference in Iquitos, says, "Ayahuasca is one of the sacred power plants and is completely nonaddictive, has been used for literally thousands of years for healing and divination purposes . . . and dying from overdose is virtually impossible."

Still, no one monitors the medicine men, their claims, or their credentials. No one is making sure they screen patients for, say, heart problems, although ayahuasca is known to boost pulse rates and blood pressure. (When French citizen Celine René Margarite Briset died from a heart attack after taking ayahuasca in the Amazonian city of Yurimaguas in 2011, it was reported she had a preexisting heart condition.) And though many prospective ayahuasca-takers – people likely to have been prescribed antidepressants – struggle with addiction and depression, few shamans know or care to ask about antidepressants like Prozac, which can be deadly when mixed with ayahuasca. Reports suggested that a clash of meds killed 39-year-old Frenchman Fabrice Champion, who died a few months after Briset in an Iquitos-based lodge called Espiritu de Anaconda (which had already experienced one death and has since changed its name to Anaconda Cosmica). No one has been charged in either case.

Nor is anyone monitoring the growing number of lodges offering to train foreigners to make and serve the potentially deadly brew. Rumrrill scoffs at the idea. "People study for years to become a shaman," he said. "You can't become one in a few weeks....It's a public health threat." Disciples of ayahuasca insist that a shaman's job is to control the movements of evil spirits in and out of the passengers, which in layman's terms means keeping people from losing their shit. An Argentine tourist at the same lodge where Briset died reportedly stabbed himself in the chest after drinking too much of the tea. I met a passenger whose face was covered in thick scabs I assumed were symptoms of an illness for which he was being treated. It turns out he'd scraped the skin off himself during an understatedly "rough night with the medicine." Because of ayahuasca's power to plow through the psyche, many lodges screen patients for bipolar disorders or schizophrenia. But one local tour guide told me about a seeker who failed to disclose that he was schizophrenic. He drank ayahuasca and was later arrested – naked and crazed – in a public plaza. Critics worry that apprentice programs are churning out ayahuasqueros who are incapable of handling such cases.

Common are stories of female tourists who, under ayahuasca's stupor, have faced sexual predators posing as healers. A nurse from Seattle says she booked a stay at a lodge run by a gringo shaman two hours outside Iquitos. When she slipped into ayahuasca's trademark "state of hyper-suggestibility," things got weird. "He placed his hands on my breast and groin and was talking a lot of shit to me," she recalls. "I couldn't talk. I was very weak." She said she couldn't confront the shaman. During the next session, he became verbally abusive. Fearing he might hurt her, she snuck off to the river, a tributary of the Amazon, late that night and swam away. She was lucky. In 2010, a 23-year-old German woman traveled to a tiny village called Barrio Florida for three nights of ayahuasca ceremonies. She ended up raped and brutally beaten by a "shaman" and his accomplice, who were both arrested. Last November, a Slovakian woman filed charges against a shaman, claiming she'd been raped during a ceremony at a lodge in Peru.

Even more troubling than ayahuasca is toé, a "witchcraft plant" that's a member of the nightshade family. Also called Brugmansia, or angel's trumpet, toé is known for its hallucinogenic powers. Skilled shamans use it in tiny amounts, but around Iquitos, people say irresponsible shamans dose foreigners with it to give them the Disneyland light shows they've come to expect. But there are downsides, to say the least. "Toé," warns one reputable Iquitos lodge, "is potentially very dangerous, and excessive use can cause permanent mental impairment. Deaths are not uncommon from miscalculated dosages." I heard horror stories. One ayahuasca tourist said, "Toé is a heavy, dark plant that's associated with witchcraft for a reason: You can't say no. Toé makes you go crazy. Some master shamans use it in small quantities, but it takes years to work with the plants. There's nothing good to come out of it."

Another visitor, an engineer from Washington, D.C., blames toé for his recent ayahuasca misadventure. He learned about ayahuasca on the internet and booked a multinight stay at one of the region's most popular lodges. By the second night, he felt something was amiss. "When the shaman passed me the cup that night, he said, 'We're going to put you back together.' I knew something was wrong. It was unbelievably strong." The man says it hit him like a wave. "All around me, people started moaning. Then the yells and screaming started. Soon, I realized that medics were coming in and out of the hut, attending to people, trying to calm them down." He angrily told me he was sure, based on hearing the bad trips of others who'd been given the substance, they had given him toé. "Ayahuasca," he says, "should come with a warning label."

Kyle's father, Sean, suspects toé may have played a part in his son's death, but he says he's still raising the money he needs to get a California coroner to release the autopsy report. Mancoluto couldn't be reached for comment, but his former benefactor, the securities trader Roberto Velez, now regrets his involvement with Mancoluto. "The man was evil and dangerous," he says, "and the whole world needs to know so that no one ever seeks him again." Some of Mancoluto's former patients believe his brews included toé and have taken to the internet, claiming his practices were haphazard. (He allegedly sat in a tower overseeing his patients telepathically as they staggered through the forest.) One blog reports seeing a client "wandering out of the jungle, onto the road, talking to people who weren't there, waving down cars, smoking imaginary cigarettes, and his eyes actually changed color, all of which indicated a high quantity of Brugmansia in Mancoluto's brew."

Shoemaker says that even though the majority of ayahuasca trips are positive and safe, things have gotten out of hand. "Misdosing with toé doesn't make you a witch," he says. "It makes you a criminal." Velez, whose inspirational ayahuasca story was the focus of the film that sparked Kyle Nolan's interest, is no longer an advocate. "It's of life-and-death importance," he warns, "that people don't get involved with shamans they don't know. I don't know if anyone should trust a stranger with their soul."


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23672519 - 09/23/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

TL;DR?

I'm too high to read this text wall. Sounds fucked up though :frown:


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23672557 - 09/23/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's mainly fake shamans, people on meds taking MAOI's, improper prep, and people capitalizing on the tourism from the brew.

"shamans" who aren't really shamans are claimed to have raped women.  People have died ( MAOI's can kill if you mix them with certain things )  and people with pre existing mental conditions have flipped out and done horrendous things to themselves.


for the tl'dr


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago]
    #23672563 - 09/23/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, now I'm really scared. I was looking into partaking in one of those week-long ayahuasca retreats in Costa Rica some time next year, and now I wonder how prevalent this problem is.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672565 - 09/23/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is there a yelp for ceremonies?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago]
    #23672588 - 09/23/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Is there a yelp for ceremonies?




I got curious so I googled "ayahuasca yelp" and this is what popped up :lol:

"Best ayahuasca ceremony!" https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g294314-d2459571-r156300724-Etnikas_Ayahuasca_retreats-Cusco_Cusco_Region.html

That's odd, this place is in Beverly Hills and people are leaving reviews about doing ayahuasca there, even though it's supposed to be a schedule I substance in the USA? https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-holistic-sanctuary-beverly-hills

Goddamn though, people are paying $50K a month to get treated by him. I can imagine this type of medicine isn't covered by insurance so it's all paid for out of pocket.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672597 - 09/23/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever seen "The Invitation"?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago]
    #23672609 - 09/23/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

no, why? what is it?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672617 - 09/23/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wanna netflix and chill? :lol:



But it actually is on netflix right now.  It's a pretty fucked up movie.  Well written suspense thriller.  Definitely worth a watch, I don't wanna give too much away.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672654 - 09/23/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DMT is schedule 1. Aya itself is technically not... it’s legal in certain "religious and spiritual settings". It's kinda in a grey area.
http://reset.me/story/first-legal-ayahuasca-church/


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672675 - 09/23/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The last woman I had sex with had a grey area.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672679 - 09/23/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really crazy story about Nolan though. His parents flew to peru to try find him. He DIED after an aya trip with the shamana, (probably cardiac arrest) and the shaman BURIED him without telling anyone and then admitted to it to the family when under pressure!!!

Thats a fucking nightmare

The parents then unburied their son and shipped him back to the US for storage until they can get an autopsy.

holy shit thats insanity


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: trees]
    #23672699 - 09/23/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I read about that when it happened. A shame. But you're right most likely a heart attack from an underlying condition.
There has been quite a bit of shadiness surrounding the 'ayahuasca tourism' industry mainly because it experienced a huge surge in popularity
As with anything where there is opportunity some people will try and take advantage of it.. so you end up with some quasi shamans who took some 2 week class trying to take advantage of westerners, or people trying to make it into some money making scheme
I recommend reading that thing I posted it's a pretty good read and goes into some of those details


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23672703 - 09/24/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This article has to be old, some of the info seems outdated and the shaman joining in on the search bit is hella old.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23672728 - 09/24/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's mainly fake shamans, people on meds taking MAOI's, improper prep, and people capitalizing on the tourism from the brew.






they're all fakes cashing in on the new found popularity of aya


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23672733 - 09/24/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's been used medicinally for thousands of years.. there's plenty of legit shamans.
But with the rise in popularity came a big rise in fakes..
Sweat lodges should be free, or they charge like 30-50 max for a ceremony to cover the costs. Not this $5-10,000 fucking bullshit.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672755 - 09/24/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's been used medicinally for thousands of years.. there's plenty of legit shamans.





yeah but they arent dosing tourists for the all mighty Sol


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23672775 - 09/24/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

some are.. but they use a lot more discretion


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672895 - 09/24/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

WHATTTT I Didn't know ayahuasca contained DMT.  I'm in for a treat because the ayauwaska I currently have through my antipsychotics- Clozaril, Seroquel, Risperal, And Remeron work on the disorder in aywaska.  It's currently MESSED UP status...and it will work on all the overdoses I've done, don't worry i'm ok. It's a healing Forgiving experience, let's do it.  Dmt comes later and is a REBORN experience where you learn about death and life, crystalline icycles.  :inlove:


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Jenny_Baker]
    #23672908 - 09/24/16 02:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago]
    #23672943 - 09/24/16 03:18 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I never understood the fly to b Peru and do a powerful psychedelic*oral DMT*  in the middle of the woods at night with people you don't know

Sounds horrible



I rather do this at home or in nature I'm familiar with


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672953 - 09/24/16 03:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah I read about that when it happened. A shame. But you're right most likely a heart attack from an underlying condition.
There has been quite a bit of shadiness surrounding the 'ayahuasca tourism' industry mainly because it experienced a huge surge in popularity
As with anything where there is opportunity some people will try and take advantage of it.. so you end up with some quasi shamans who took some 2 week class trying to take advantage of westerners, or people trying to make it into some money making scheme
I recommend reading that thing I posted it's a pretty good read and goes into some of those details




How do you tell what is a legitimate ceremony and what isn't?

I mean, I can imagine that real shamans probably wouldn't be advertising on the internet, and you probably wouldn't be able to go to one without "knowing somebody" who can get you in.

What about something like this? http://www.ayahuascacostaricaretreat.com

I found another one that's much cheaper, under $300 for 5-day lodging and an ayahuasca ceremony, and they also have a peyote sweat lodge ceremony for $70: http://www.solcircle.org/ev/forest-call-prices

This place actually looks pretty legit, they don't even require payment and only suggest a donation of $20 per person for the ceremony. This place is in Peru I think: http://sacredvalleytribe.com/sweat-lodge-ceremony/


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672964 - 09/24/16 04:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I went to Peru a couple years ago and paid a guy like 600 bucks to take me and my brother hiking for 5 days up to Machu Picchu. That was a really unsketchy adventure and worth doing if youre still trying to go to Peru. We also brought shrooms on the plane and ate them in the mountains.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23673328 - 09/24/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's been used medicinally for thousands of years.. there's plenty of legit shamans.
But with the rise in popularity came a big rise in fakes..
Sweat lodges should be free, or they charge like 30-50 max for a ceremony to cover the costs. Not this $5-10,000 fucking bullshit.






This, so much. However, there are places that maps is working with i think? I remember looking further into it and its about 2k or just under for two weeks and multiple sessions.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: 404] * 4
    #23673351 - 09/24/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd like to participate in a ceremony, but I would not do a retreat there. There are so many awesome things to explore in Peru. I feel it would be a waste to spend the whole time tripping in a hut.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23673354 - 09/24/16 09:19 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's mainly fake shamans, people on meds taking MAOI's, improper prep, and people capitalizing on the tourism from the brew.






they're all fakes cashing in on the new found popularity of aya




:lolsy:

Make sure your shaman went to university and all of his government shaman certifications are up to date.  Check out the shaman sex offender registry to make sure that your shaman doesn't have a history of rape or touching people's feet after they pass out from all the drugs he gives them.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23673453 - 09/24/16 10:08 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well if it were legal to make it in north america people wouldnt have to go see fake shamans and get raped. As for the people dying its their job to research the drugs they do. I understand the dangers of maois which is why i havent even touched my syrian rue yet and when i do i will use cation. If drugs were legal doing research on important things like interactions with other drugs would be encouraged. So both of these problems could be fixed if psychedelics were legal.

The only part of that which wouldnt be fixed is people flipling out. Thats always going to happen when psyches are involved thats just a risk we have to take. Ayleast loosing your shit wont get you raped and killed in south america though.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23673460 - 09/24/16 10:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Losing your shit WOULD get you raped and killed in South America though.

I think you meant it wouldn't in North America


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23673467 - 09/24/16 10:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im saying if you have access to ayahuasca here and were taught to research drugs you wouldnt Have to go to SA and get raped or die. My bad.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23673470 - 09/24/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

One time i heard a story of a guy who did a ayahuasca ceramony, and the kid accidently fell off a cliff!

Than the fucking "shaman" (not sure if he was a real one or not) tried to cover up his death but got caught anyway.

Some people! :nonono:

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23673481 - 09/24/16 10:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What do people think is worse?
Which is worse?
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23673484 - 09/24/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have participated in three ceremonies right here at home. Fortunately I have found a shamanic group I trust and the brew seems safe and therapeutic .

The only problem is the price keeps climbing and is already too expensive for me.

I prefer DMT- much cheaper , less demanding of time and more potent .

I do still plan to take 3 ceremonies in a Peruvian lodge some day; but I'll certainly do a Lot of research.

Being dosed with nightshade is the biggest concern for me.

It's like people cutting shit with fentanyl here. Putting nightshade in ayahuasca :facepalm:

I wish people would stop romanticizing nightshades as if they had some shamanic value.

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23673489 - 09/24/16 10:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Atleast in the NA jail you wouldnt still be on ayahuasca while you were being raped or killed.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23673498 - 09/24/16 10:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah you'd just be on shitty spice and seroquel


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: moonrockmushy] * 1
    #23673575 - 09/24/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What do people think is worse?



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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #23673591 - 09/24/16 11:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23674367 - 09/24/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I say that the trip on aya in the city goes with the people who are raised/brought up in the city. The trip for people brought up in the jungle is a jungle trip. I was not raised in a jungle so I have no desire or need to go to a dangerous place to feel "more connected" or "to have the full aya experience" in a jungle setting. My living room is the safest best place for me to experience DMT/Ayahuasca.

I tried the brew twice and puked before I could actually experience a "trip". The people in the jungle did not know about pure grain alcohol for extracting goodies from plants. I do. SO, a crude extract made from Syrian Rue and MHRB got me to a place I never thought I would be, and I was safe and sound in my own place. I also have used the STB DMT, and rue extracted with grain alcohol placed in capsules, this was an astounding experience as well with slight to no nausea. There is absolutely no need to go to a jungle, risk ones life, and waste a ton of money.

The experience in the city goes with the person raised in the city, and the experience in the jungle goes with the person raised in the jungle. Step out of ones comfort zone and it could go very badly very quickly.

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: tyrannicalrex]
    #23674386 - 09/24/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

OMG bro, you didn't even get your cert.

The school of life can only teach so much.

I guess if you didn't get your cert in the jungle you wouldn't understand.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: LobsterSauce]
    #23674492 - 09/24/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23674669 - 09/24/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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this guy... he looks trustworthy






Looks legit to me :shrug:


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23674813 - 09/24/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's really disappointing that this kind of stuff is happening, but, as Shroomism mentioned; it comes with the territory.

There definitely are legit Shaman in Peru and elsewhere in the world, you just have to be vigilant with your research these days.

I am blessed to have found an amazing group early on in my journey. I haven't been to Peru yet, but I know where I will go when I'm ready.

Aubery Marcus of Onnit is pretty experienced, and recommends a place called "Blue Morpho" and then there's one other that he mentions in his most recent podcast....

It's gotten to the point where personally I would save up and go with the most trusted option as opposed to trying to save some bucks and going somewhere that hasn't already been vetted by people I know and trust....

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23675006 - 09/24/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yep, I can vouch for hearing of blue morpho. I actually get emails from the blue morpho foundation because my ex was interested in the ceremony surrounding aya. I introduced him to DMT a few years ago and he has been interested ever since.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny] * 1
    #23675067 - 09/24/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

the whole aya thing and taking it in the amazon jungle and what not is just a stage people go through on their quest for true happiness. If someone Asked me 10 years ago if I wanted take a trip to peru to partake in the ayahuasca ceremonies, i would have said hell yes, but ask me today and my answer would be hello no. I'd probably tell u that their are other better, much safer, ways. I wouldn't even trip out in our local wilderness, unless I had a home nearby and knew the area very well, but other than that, I try to stay home as much as possible during the experiences, the key is to take them in places where u feel safe and especially comfortable, and def don't go too high..


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: zZZz] * 2
    #23675129 - 09/24/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Set and setting are certainly the MOST important thing, but the point of Ayahuasca is to get OUT of your comfort zone and break habits and patterns.

They've been doing it a certain way for thousands of years for a reason. There is no safer place to have an ayahausca experience than in the hands of a good Shaman/Healer/Guide who has pure intentions and integrity, and surrounded by human beings who want to better themselves and the world.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23675162 - 09/24/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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the whole aya thing and taking it in the amazon jungle and what not is just a stage people go through on their quest for true happiness. If someone Asked me 10 years ago if I wanted take a trip to peru to partake in the ayahuasca ceremonies, i would have said hell yes, but ask me today and my answer would be hello no. I'd probably tell u that their are other better, much safer, ways. I wouldn't even trip out in our local wilderness, unless I had a home nearby and knew the area very well, but other than that, I try to stay home as much as possible during the experiences, the key is to take them in places where u feel safe and especially comfortable, and def don't go too high..



Agreed 100%, but I never would have even years ago when I heard/read of the ceremony tradition.

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Set and setting are certainly the MOST important thing, but the point of Ayahuasca is to get OUT of your comfort zone and break habits and patterns.

They've been doing it a certain way for thousands of years for a reason. There is no safer place to have an ayahausca experience than in the hands of a good Shaman/Healer/Guide who has pure intentions and integrity, and surrounded by human beings who want to better themselves and the world.



That's just it, how does one know of the true intentions of the people involved? Sometimes people hide for years before doing something nefarious. I am very happy you found a comfortable group to have that experience in the traditional way. I might be inclined to do/experience it in  the jungle/peru if I felt 100% safe. I still have not done the traditional brew either. Just MHRB and SR.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23675266 - 09/24/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's the thing tho, things can go in a totally different direction even when tripping in a place that is totally ur comfort zone. Taking a psychedelic like ayu alone should be enough to take one completely out of their comfort zone even in places theyd deem safe, but I suppose the point is to be in a safe enough place where u can easily come back in case things went bad.

Honestly I wouldn't mind tripping with a legit healer who's knowledge has been passed from ancestor to ancestor for thousands of years, but those people are about as rare as a thousand years.. only one that comes to mind that I'd say def fit that crateri is maria Sabina.. I'm sure they're still out there tho but like u gotta have a legit heart to find em me thinks..

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23675488 - 09/24/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I dunno why everyone feels the need to go to these things in general, but that's awful. Luckily I'm distrustful by nature so I never trip with or around strangers if I can help it, but it sucks people run into this shit

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Ezuma]
    #23675557 - 09/24/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I didn't read this thread, but my girlfriend's close friend's ex is in peru right now doing the ayahuasca ceremony thing.  Apparently he hasn't gotten over his ex and is going kinda crazy and sent a few crazy messages to her, etc.  involving nude pics and other people


I've only smoked DMT and don't have any experience with aya, but I think that if I ever decided to take some, I'd take it alone on my family's farm with a really nice camp and artwork stapled around the woods.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: tito123]
    #23675670 - 09/25/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'd take a MHRB extraction at home over this stuff any day.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: snave]
    #23676211 - 09/25/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Considering how huge the aya tourism industry is and how fast it is growing, there are only a tiny handful of these scare strories and most of these stories are years old.

They make a great sensationalist scare story so try circulate this half dozen bad cases and recirculate them endlessly, but the reality is the vast majority of people have a positive experience .

If you do a moderate amount of research and follow some basic precautions , there is very little reason to worry .

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you are more likely to get groped in a Walmart bathroom than by an ayahuasca shaman.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23676326 - 09/25/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

this is why i would never go to an ayahuasca retreat


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23676347 - 09/25/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats like saying you would never go to a spa because of a dozen cases worldwide of people being groped by masseuses.

Just like if you go to a reputable , well reviewed spa you don't need to worry about the massage therapist sticking a finger up your bum.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23676354 - 09/25/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i would never go because ayahuasca varies so much from brew to brew i would want to know exactly whats going into it if i was gonna do it


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23676365 - 09/25/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

True. Its like:

"Lets throw in some poison ivy, some nightshade, some poison hemlock, some datura and what ever this shit right here is."

Its sketch but most pwople dobhave positive experiwnces. Also idk how else to get DMT when I live in canada. What is the alternative? Atleast i can rwad reviews and see how other customers felt and what the lodge and the shamans were like.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23676383 - 09/25/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Most aya brews dont contain any of those things.

Most contain a DMT containing vine and an MAOI inhibitor . No night shades.

You can easily buy DMT containing plants legally online and the extraction of DMT is apparently safe and easy.

I have obtained DMT a few times in Canada from friends .

I have also had 3 aya ceremonies in Canada . There is a legit aya community in my city .


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23677041 - 09/25/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Some Brujos in Peru do spike their aya brew with datura tho. It is well known amongst the local shamans. Apparently their is also lots of black magic going on within their own government, like it's all corrupt n shit, but what gov isn't.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: zZZz]
    #23677286 - 09/25/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Scary stuff..


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23677457 - 09/25/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Most aya brews dont contain any of those things.

Most contain a DMT containing vine and an MAOI inhibitor . No night shades.

You can easily buy DMT containing plants legally online and the extraction of DMT is apparently safe and easy.

I have obtained DMT a few times in Canada from friends .

I have also had 3 aya ceremonies in Canada . There is a legit aya community in my city .



They probably had mhrb or acrb from before canadian customs started seizing it.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23677559 - 09/25/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really? You can't import those anymore ?

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23677567 - 09/25/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats old news too

We can still get cebil so we can get bufo and we can get 5medmt online but canada hasnt been letting acrb in for a while and mhrb for even longer.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23677571 - 09/25/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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    #23677584 - 09/25/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23678008 - 09/25/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Considering how huge the aya tourism industry is and how fast it is growing, there are only a tiny handful of these scare strories and most of these stories are years old.

They make a great sensationalist scare story so try circulate this half dozen bad cases and recirculate them endlessly, but the reality is the vast majority of people have a positive experience .

If you do a moderate amount of research and follow some basic precautions , there is very little reason to worry .

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you are more likely to get groped in a Walmart bathroom than by an ayahuasca shaman.





Exactly my point.

And with that being said - Ayahuasca is certainly not for everyone. If you don't feel the call then, so be it. If you feel the call, however, please do not let yourself be deterred by fear. (Not addressing you personally here Moonshoe, just people in general!) It is still 100% possible to find ceremonies being guided by those who are pure of heart and intention.

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    #23678019 - 09/25/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah,
I would do oral DMT at home

Tripping in the middle of the woods with strangers doesn't sound like my kinda time





Yeah, watching the moon rise and stargazing in a field in the mountains on Ayahuasca with a bunch of kind hearted and open minded souls was such a terrible experience!

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23678133 - 09/25/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's fucked. I've read nothing but horror stories about ayahuasca ceremonies in third world countries. Going to a third world country for something like that, you're putting your life in danger.

The craziest part to me is that apparently they're commonly mixing classical deliriants with ayahuasca. Can you even begin to imagine what an experience like that would be like? You would completely lose the story. That has to be one of the most idiotic and dangerous combos I can think of.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23678144 - 09/25/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"I have read nothing but horror stories"

:doublefacepalm:

Yes thats because the 99.9% of ceremonies that go great don't make the news.

Thats like saying "I have read nothing but horror stories about plane crashes"

Yeah, because planes arriving safely at their destination is not news.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23678151 - 09/25/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Even the articles that I read which were just travel articles were profoundly bad. Incompetent "shamen," people having no idea what they're getting into and given no information about what they're taking or what it will be like, untrained staff that have no idea how to handle it if/when things go bad... This is all stuff I read from articles that were just about travel, and didn't even have an anti-drug slant. And frankly, as a user of psychedelics I can understand and have a very easy time picturing just how easily all of this stuff could go wrong.

If you want to do ayahuasca, the only safe way to do it is in the comfort of your own home.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman]
    #23678155 - 09/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats just not true at all.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23678159 - 09/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well that's just like your opinion man.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman]
    #23678170 - 09/25/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Doing it with expert people who have been administering and making it for decades, with a group of people who are experienced with the medicine, in a safe ceremonial environment, is at least as safe as doing it in your home, in most cases more safe.

You just need to go to a place that was recommended to you by people who had been there and had a good experience, that has good reviews and a good reputation etc.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23678200 - 09/25/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, it'd be entirely possible to run a good one, but currently there's no regulation, no way to verify the quality of the place, no credentialing programs or licencing for the practitioners or the nurses, no way to verify the past history of practitioners, no way to disbar practitioners for malpractice, and third world countries add an enormous number of other dangers ontop of that.

Because you're in a third world country, there's problems of language barriers, lack of police and/or police corruption, lack of accountability (someone who kills someone can just open a new shop under a new name no problem), lack of investigation and lack of quality of investigation of crimes, higher crime rate, more people who are willing to take advantage of wealthy foreigners, etc. etc.

Recommendations in and of themselves are not enough to provide safety from any of this. Recommendations can be fake, inaccurate, or a person can just get lucky.

If things go wrong in a corrupt third world country, at the best you're looking at third world medical care and third world corrupt police response. At worse, you're looking at a grave out behind someone's house. This is not because ayahuasca is dangerous, but because corrupt third world countries are dangerous.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23678227 - 09/25/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Quote:

SunnyD said:
Yeah,
I would do oral DMT at home

Tripping in the middle of the woods with strangers doesn't sound like my kinda time





Yeah, watching the moon rise and stargazing in a field in the mountains on Ayahuasca with a bunch of kind hearted and open minded souls was such a terrible experience!

:tongue2:



That sounds pretty cool did you go to Peru for that?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23678549 - 09/26/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kinda Irrelevant to this thread cuz this is sort of a positive ayahuasca documentary, and by far the best one I've seen, I've watched at least a dozen times, but anyway:



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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: zZZz]
    #23679261 - 09/26/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would go with whatever retreat Aubrey Marcus recommends/uses, and I would feel pretty safe with that.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman]
    #23679285 - 09/26/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Funny too, there was another thread about a shaman university being opened and people were mocking that idea, but thats exactly the kind of standardization that it sounds like you guys want.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23679372 - 09/26/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Sheekle said:
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yogabunny said:
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SunnyD said:
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I would do oral DMT at home

Tripping in the middle of the woods with strangers doesn't sound like my kinda time





Yeah, watching the moon rise and stargazing in a field in the mountains on Ayahuasca with a bunch of kind hearted and open minded souls was such a terrible experience!

:tongue2:



That sounds pretty cool did you go to Peru for that?





I did not. I've never been, but I have a group that I sit with regularly.

I actually feel more called to go to the mountains of Peru to experience Huachuma than I do to go to the jungle and do Ayahuasca...

If a group of people from our circle went down to the jungle study with my teacher's teacher, though, I would definitely go!


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23679417 - 09/26/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

how did u meet a group of aya trippers like that?

i tried mesc for the first time last month, it would definitely go really well in some mountains. you might see nicechrisman there if you do the pedro thing, he goes to peru for pedro ceremonies all the time


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23679517 - 09/26/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Was it just straight mesc, no cactus? What was it like? Any side effects?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23679548 - 09/26/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

straight mesc HCL


yeah i combined acid with it, got kinda too high an really confused but memorable parts arw meeting some guy who i felt like was a native american warrior and briefly thinking the tops of canopies were pyramids. just had an ancient feeling to it, real mellow kinda trip despite bein super high

i got a hella headache towards the end and became annoyingly sensitive to light, my pupils were massive, way bigger than they normally get when im tripping


it seems it would combine amazingly with weed, didnt go to well with acid or lots of stimuli

mesc at a beach at night with a buncha high cbd bud would be where its at


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23679560 - 09/26/16 11:28 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I don't know? Fate?
:smirk:

It was a friend, of a friend, of a friend situation. There are sooo many ceremonies happening all the time, especially in major cities. It can be a process of trial and error to find a really good circle. I sat with 3 different shaman before settling with my current teacher!


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23679593 - 09/26/16 11:41 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

that's pretty gnarly i'd think big cities would be the last place to find those sorts of gatherings, good tonknow


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23679611 - 09/26/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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straight mesc HCL


yeah i combined acid with it, got kinda too high an really confused but memorable parts arw meeting some guy who i felt like was a native american warrior and briefly thinking the tops of canopies were pyramids. just had an ancient feeling to it, real mellow kinda trip despite bein super high

i got a hella headache towards the end and became annoyingly sensitive to light, my pupils were massive, way bigger than they normally get when im tripping


it seems it would combine amazingly with weed, didnt go to well with acid or lots of stimuli

mesc at a beach at night with a buncha high cbd bud would be where its at



Yeah ive gotten the same kind of "ancient vibe" every time I've done cactus, it's a really specific feeling and one i have never gotten from any other psychedelic. Did you get nauseous at all? I really like cactus a lot but it makes me nauseous as hell but I'd be open to mesc hcl if it doesn't have that affect.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23679630 - 09/26/16 11:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

not much nausea nope


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle] * 1
    #23679885 - 09/26/16 01:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

My eyes kind of blurred when reading the title of this thread and it read as "People should be raped and drugged by Aliens"

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23680047 - 09/26/16 02:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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straight mesc HCL


yeah i combined acid with it, got kinda too high an really confused but memorable parts arw meeting some guy who i felt like was a native american warrior and briefly thinking the tops of canopies were pyramids. just had an ancient feeling to it, real mellow kinda trip despite bein super high

i got a hella headache towards the end and became annoyingly sensitive to light, my pupils were massive, way bigger than they normally get when im tripping


it seems it would combine amazingly with weed, didnt go to well with acid or lots of stimuli

mesc at a beach at night with a buncha high cbd bud would be where its at




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Try the cactus itself. :yesnod:


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