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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23677567 - 09/25/16 06:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats old news too

We can still get cebil so we can get bufo and we can get 5medmt online but canada hasnt been letting acrb in for a while and mhrb for even longer.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (09/25/16 06:23 PM)


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Connoisseur]
    #23677571 - 09/25/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah,
I would do oral DMT at home

Tripping in the middle of the woods with strangers doesn't sound like my kinda time


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: SunnyD]
    #23677584 - 09/25/16 06:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

right?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23678008 - 09/25/16 08:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Considering how huge the aya tourism industry is and how fast it is growing, there are only a tiny handful of these scare strories and most of these stories are years old.

They make a great sensationalist scare story so try circulate this half dozen bad cases and recirculate them endlessly, but the reality is the vast majority of people have a positive experience .

If you do a moderate amount of research and follow some basic precautions , there is very little reason to worry .

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you are more likely to get groped in a Walmart bathroom than by an ayahuasca shaman.





Exactly my point.

And with that being said - Ayahuasca is certainly not for everyone. If you don't feel the call then, so be it. If you feel the call, however, please do not let yourself be deterred by fear. (Not addressing you personally here Moonshoe, just people in general!) It is still 100% possible to find ceremonies being guided by those who are pure of heart and intention.

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: SunnyD]
    #23678019 - 09/25/16 08:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

SunnyD said:
Yeah,
I would do oral DMT at home

Tripping in the middle of the woods with strangers doesn't sound like my kinda time





Yeah, watching the moon rise and stargazing in a field in the mountains on Ayahuasca with a bunch of kind hearted and open minded souls was such a terrible experience!

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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23678133 - 09/25/16 09:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That's fucked. I've read nothing but horror stories about ayahuasca ceremonies in third world countries. Going to a third world country for something like that, you're putting your life in danger.

The craziest part to me is that apparently they're commonly mixing classical deliriants with ayahuasca. Can you even begin to imagine what an experience like that would be like? You would completely lose the story. That has to be one of the most idiotic and dangerous combos I can think of.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman] * 1
    #23678144 - 09/25/16 09:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"I have read nothing but horror stories"

:doublefacepalm:

Yes thats because the 99.9% of ceremonies that go great don't make the news.

Thats like saying "I have read nothing but horror stories about plane crashes"

Yeah, because planes arriving safely at their destination is not news.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23678151 - 09/25/16 09:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Even the articles that I read which were just travel articles were profoundly bad. Incompetent "shamen," people having no idea what they're getting into and given no information about what they're taking or what it will be like, untrained staff that have no idea how to handle it if/when things go bad... This is all stuff I read from articles that were just about travel, and didn't even have an anti-drug slant. And frankly, as a user of psychedelics I can understand and have a very easy time picturing just how easily all of this stuff could go wrong.

If you want to do ayahuasca, the only safe way to do it is in the comfort of your own home.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman]
    #23678155 - 09/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Thats just not true at all.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23678159 - 09/25/16 09:56 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well that's just like your opinion man.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman]
    #23678170 - 09/25/16 09:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Doing it with expert people who have been administering and making it for decades, with a group of people who are experienced with the medicine, in a safe ceremonial environment, is at least as safe as doing it in your home, in most cases more safe.

You just need to go to a place that was recommended to you by people who had been there and had a good experience, that has good reviews and a good reputation etc.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23678200 - 09/25/16 10:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, it'd be entirely possible to run a good one, but currently there's no regulation, no way to verify the quality of the place, no credentialing programs or licencing for the practitioners or the nurses, no way to verify the past history of practitioners, no way to disbar practitioners for malpractice, and third world countries add an enormous number of other dangers ontop of that.

Because you're in a third world country, there's problems of language barriers, lack of police and/or police corruption, lack of accountability (someone who kills someone can just open a new shop under a new name no problem), lack of investigation and lack of quality of investigation of crimes, higher crime rate, more people who are willing to take advantage of wealthy foreigners, etc. etc.

Recommendations in and of themselves are not enough to provide safety from any of this. Recommendations can be fake, inaccurate, or a person can just get lucky.

If things go wrong in a corrupt third world country, at the best you're looking at third world medical care and third world corrupt police response. At worse, you're looking at a grave out behind someone's house. This is not because ayahuasca is dangerous, but because corrupt third world countries are dangerous.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23678227 - 09/25/16 10:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

yogabunny said:
Quote:

SunnyD said:
Yeah,
I would do oral DMT at home

Tripping in the middle of the woods with strangers doesn't sound like my kinda time





Yeah, watching the moon rise and stargazing in a field in the mountains on Ayahuasca with a bunch of kind hearted and open minded souls was such a terrible experience!

:tongue2:



That sounds pretty cool did you go to Peru for that?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23678549 - 09/26/16 01:13 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Kinda Irrelevant to this thread cuz this is sort of a positive ayahuasca documentary, and by far the best one I've seen, I've watched at least a dozen times, but anyway:



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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: zZZz]
    #23679261 - 09/26/16 09:51 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would go with whatever retreat Aubrey Marcus recommends/uses, and I would feel pretty safe with that.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: nooneman]
    #23679285 - 09/26/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Funny too, there was another thread about a shaman university being opened and people were mocking that idea, but thats exactly the kind of standardization that it sounds like you guys want.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23679372 - 09/26/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Sheekle said:
Quote:

yogabunny said:
Quote:

SunnyD said:
Yeah,
I would do oral DMT at home

Tripping in the middle of the woods with strangers doesn't sound like my kinda time





Yeah, watching the moon rise and stargazing in a field in the mountains on Ayahuasca with a bunch of kind hearted and open minded souls was such a terrible experience!

:tongue2:



That sounds pretty cool did you go to Peru for that?





I did not. I've never been, but I have a group that I sit with regularly.

I actually feel more called to go to the mountains of Peru to experience Huachuma than I do to go to the jungle and do Ayahuasca...

If a group of people from our circle went down to the jungle study with my teacher's teacher, though, I would definitely go!


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
    #23679417 - 09/26/16 10:42 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

how did u meet a group of aya trippers like that?

i tried mesc for the first time last month, it would definitely go really well in some mountains. you might see nicechrisman there if you do the pedro thing, he goes to peru for pedro ceremonies all the time


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23679517 - 09/26/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Was it just straight mesc, no cactus? What was it like? Any side effects?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #23679548 - 09/26/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

straight mesc HCL


yeah i combined acid with it, got kinda too high an really confused but memorable parts arw meeting some guy who i felt like was a native american warrior and briefly thinking the tops of canopies were pyramids. just had an ancient feeling to it, real mellow kinda trip despite bein super high

i got a hella headache towards the end and became annoyingly sensitive to light, my pupils were massive, way bigger than they normally get when im tripping


it seems it would combine amazingly with weed, didnt go to well with acid or lots of stimuli

mesc at a beach at night with a buncha high cbd bud would be where its at


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