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LogicaL Chaos
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23674669 - 09/24/16 05:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: Who can u really trust in peru?
this guy... he looks trustworthy

Looks legit to me
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
#23674813 - 09/24/16 06:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's really disappointing that this kind of stuff is happening, but, as Shroomism mentioned; it comes with the territory.
There definitely are legit Shaman in Peru and elsewhere in the world, you just have to be vigilant with your research these days.
I am blessed to have found an amazing group early on in my journey. I haven't been to Peru yet, but I know where I will go when I'm ready.
Aubery Marcus of Onnit is pretty experienced, and recommends a place called "Blue Morpho" and then there's one other that he mentions in his most recent podcast....
It's gotten to the point where personally I would save up and go with the most trusted option as opposed to trying to save some bucks and going somewhere that hasn't already been vetted by people I know and trust....
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
#23675006 - 09/24/16 07:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yep, I can vouch for hearing of blue morpho. I actually get emails from the blue morpho foundation because my ex was interested in the ceremony surrounding aya. I introduced him to DMT a few years ago and he has been interested ever since.
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zZZz
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny] 1
#23675067 - 09/24/16 07:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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the whole aya thing and taking it in the amazon jungle and what not is just a stage people go through on their quest for true happiness. If someone Asked me 10 years ago if I wanted take a trip to peru to partake in the ayahuasca ceremonies, i would have said hell yes, but ask me today and my answer would be hello no. I'd probably tell u that their are other better, much safer, ways. I wouldn't even trip out in our local wilderness, unless I had a home nearby and knew the area very well, but other than that, I try to stay home as much as possible during the experiences, the key is to take them in places where u feel safe and especially comfortable, and def don't go too high..
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: zZZz] 2
#23675129 - 09/24/16 08:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Set and setting are certainly the MOST important thing, but the point of Ayahuasca is to get OUT of your comfort zone and break habits and patterns.
They've been doing it a certain way for thousands of years for a reason. There is no safer place to have an ayahausca experience than in the hands of a good Shaman/Healer/Guide who has pure intentions and integrity, and surrounded by human beings who want to better themselves and the world.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
#23675162 - 09/24/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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zZZz said: the whole aya thing and taking it in the amazon jungle and what not is just a stage people go through on their quest for true happiness. If someone Asked me 10 years ago if I wanted take a trip to peru to partake in the ayahuasca ceremonies, i would have said hell yes, but ask me today and my answer would be hello no. I'd probably tell u that their are other better, much safer, ways. I wouldn't even trip out in our local wilderness, unless I had a home nearby and knew the area very well, but other than that, I try to stay home as much as possible during the experiences, the key is to take them in places where u feel safe and especially comfortable, and def don't go too high..
Agreed 100%, but I never would have even years ago when I heard/read of the ceremony tradition.
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yogabunny said: Set and setting are certainly the MOST important thing, but the point of Ayahuasca is to get OUT of your comfort zone and break habits and patterns.
They've been doing it a certain way for thousands of years for a reason. There is no safer place to have an ayahausca experience than in the hands of a good Shaman/Healer/Guide who has pure intentions and integrity, and surrounded by human beings who want to better themselves and the world.
That's just it, how does one know of the true intentions of the people involved? Sometimes people hide for years before doing something nefarious. I am very happy you found a comfortable group to have that experience in the traditional way. I might be inclined to do/experience it in the jungle/peru if I felt 100% safe. I still have not done the traditional brew either. Just MHRB and SR.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: yogabunny]
#23675266 - 09/24/16 09:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's the thing tho, things can go in a totally different direction even when tripping in a place that is totally ur comfort zone. Taking a psychedelic like ayu alone should be enough to take one completely out of their comfort zone even in places theyd deem safe, but I suppose the point is to be in a safe enough place where u can easily come back in case things went bad.
Honestly I wouldn't mind tripping with a legit healer who's knowledge has been passed from ancestor to ancestor for thousands of years, but those people are about as rare as a thousand years.. only one that comes to mind that I'd say def fit that crateri is maria Sabina.. I'm sure they're still out there tho but like u gotta have a legit heart to find em me thinks..
To me, the psychedelic experience is like the wild wild west, very wild, and very dangerous and unpredictable, yet there are those who've learned to make it their home through centuries of trial and error. In the end tho it still remains a desert..
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
#23675488 - 09/24/16 11:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I dunno why everyone feels the need to go to these things in general, but that's awful. Luckily I'm distrustful by nature so I never trip with or around strangers if I can help it, but it sucks people run into this shit
yet another time being a cynic is helpful i guess
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Ezuma]
#23675557 - 09/24/16 11:40 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I didn't read this thread, but my girlfriend's close friend's ex is in peru right now doing the ayahuasca ceremony thing. Apparently he hasn't gotten over his ex and is going kinda crazy and sent a few crazy messages to her, etc. involving nude pics and other people
I've only smoked DMT and don't have any experience with aya, but I think that if I ever decided to take some, I'd take it alone on my family's farm with a really nice camp and artwork stapled around the woods.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: tito123]
#23675670 - 09/25/16 12:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'd take a MHRB extraction at home over this stuff any day.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: snave]
#23676211 - 09/25/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Considering how huge the aya tourism industry is and how fast it is growing, there are only a tiny handful of these scare strories and most of these stories are years old.
They make a great sensationalist scare story so try circulate this half dozen bad cases and recirculate them endlessly, but the reality is the vast majority of people have a positive experience .
If you do a moderate amount of research and follow some basic precautions , there is very little reason to worry .
I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but you are more likely to get groped in a Walmart bathroom than by an ayahuasca shaman.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
#23676326 - 09/25/16 10:40 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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this is why i would never go to an ayahuasca retreat
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Connoisseur]
#23676347 - 09/25/16 10:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thats like saying you would never go to a spa because of a dozen cases worldwide of people being groped by masseuses.
Just like if you go to a reputable , well reviewed spa you don't need to worry about the massage therapist sticking a finger up your bum.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
#23676354 - 09/25/16 10:48 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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i would never go because ayahuasca varies so much from brew to brew i would want to know exactly whats going into it if i was gonna do it
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Connoisseur]
#23676365 - 09/25/16 10:52 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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True. Its like:
"Lets throw in some poison ivy, some nightshade, some poison hemlock, some datura and what ever this shit right here is."
Its sketch but most pwople dobhave positive experiwnces. Also idk how else to get DMT when I live in canada. What is the alternative? Atleast i can rwad reviews and see how other customers felt and what the lodge and the shamans were like.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23676383 - 09/25/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Most aya brews dont contain any of those things.
Most contain a DMT containing vine and an MAOI inhibitor . No night shades.
You can easily buy DMT containing plants legally online and the extraction of DMT is apparently safe and easy.
I have obtained DMT a few times in Canada from friends .
I have also had 3 aya ceremonies in Canada . There is a legit aya community in my city .
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
#23677041 - 09/25/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Some Brujos in Peru do spike their aya brew with datura tho. It is well known amongst the local shamans. Apparently their is also lots of black magic going on within their own government, like it's all corrupt n shit, but what gov isn't.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: zZZz]
#23677286 - 09/25/16 04:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Scary stuff..
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BANANA.MAN
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Moonshoe]
#23677457 - 09/25/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Most aya brews dont contain any of those things.
Most contain a DMT containing vine and an MAOI inhibitor . No night shades.
You can easily buy DMT containing plants legally online and the extraction of DMT is apparently safe and easy.
I have obtained DMT a few times in Canada from friends .
I have also had 3 aya ceremonies in Canada . There is a legit aya community in my city .
They probably had mhrb or acrb from before canadian customs started seizing it.
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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23677559 - 09/25/16 06:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Really? You can't import those anymore ?
Fuck. I planned to stock up on them.
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