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People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru
    #23672489 - 09/23/16 10:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really fucked up stuff, i'm on my phone can someone copy-pasta for me?

http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-dark-side-of-ayahuasca-20130215


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23672510 - 09/23/16 10:35 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The Dark Side of Ayahuasca
By  Kelly Hearn

Credit: Eitan Abramovich / Getty Images
Kyle Nolan spent the summer of 2011 talking up a documentary called 'Stepping Into the Fire,' about the mind-expanding potential of ayahuasca. The film tells the story of a hard-driving derivatives trader and ex-Marine named Roberto Velez, who, in his words, turned his back on the "greed, power, and vice" of Wall Street after taking ayahuasca with a Peruvian shaman. The film is a slick promotion for the hallucinogenic tea that's widely embraced as a spirit cure, and for the Shimbre Shamanic Center, the ayahuasca lodge Velez built for his guru, a potbellied medicine man called Master Mancoluto. The film's message is that we Westerners have lost our way and that the ayahuasca brew (which is illegal in the United States because it contains the psychedelic compound DMT) can set us straight.

ALSO: Why Ayahuasca Is Still Having a Moment
Last August, 18-year-old Nolan left his California home and boarded a plane to the Amazon for a 10-day, $1,200 stay at Shimbre in Peru's Amazon basin with Mancoluto – who is pitched in Shimbre's promotional materials as a man to help ayahuasca recruits "open their minds to deeper realities, develop their intuitive capabilities, and unlock untapped potential." But when Nolan – who was neither "flaky" nor "unreliable," says his father, Sean – didn't show up on his return flight home, his mother, Ingeborg Oswald, and his triplet sister, Marion, went to Peru to find him. Initially, Mancoluto, whose real name is José Pineda Vargas, told them Kyle had packed his bags and walked off without a word. The shaman even joined Oswald on television pleading for help in finding her son, but the police in Peru remained suspicious. Under pressure, Mancoluto admitted that Nolan had died after an ayahuasca session and that his body had been buried at the edge of the property. The official cause of death has not yet been determined.

Pilgrims like Nolan are flocking to the Amazon in search of ayahuasca, either to expand their spiritual horizons or to cure alcoholism, depression, and even cancer, but what many of them find is a nightmare. Still, the airport in Iquitos is buzzing with ayahuasca tourism. Vans from shamanic lodges pick up psychedelic pilgrims from around the world, while taxi drivers peddle access to Indian medicine men. "It reminds me of how they sell cocaine and marijuana in Amsterdam," one local said. "Here, it's shamans and ayahuasca."


RELATED: An Expert Guide Through an Ayahuasca Ritual


Devotees talk about ayahuasca's cathartic and life-changing power, but there is a dark side to the tourism boom as well. With money rolling in and lodges popping up across Peru's sprawling Amazon, a new breed of shaman has emerged – and not all of them can be trusted with the powerful drug. Deaths like Nolan's are uncommon, but reports of molestation, rape, and negligence at the hands of predatory and inept shamans are not. In the past few years alone, a young German woman was allegedly raped and beaten by two men who had administered ayahuasca to her, two French citizens died while staying at ayahuasca lodges, and stories persist about unwanted sexual advances and people losing their marbles after being given overly potent doses. The age of ayahuasca as purely a medicinal, consciousness-raising pursuit seems like a quaint and distant past.A powerful psychedelic, DMT is a natural compound found throughout the plant kingdom and in mammals (including humans). Scientists don't know why it's so prevalent in the world, but studies suggest a role in natural dreaming. DMT doesn't work if swallowed alone, thanks to an enzyme in the gastrointestinal system that breaks it down. In a feat of prehistoric chemistry, Amazonian shamans fixed that by boiling two plants together – the ayahuasca vine and a DMT-containing shrub called chacruna – which shuts down the enzyme and allows the DMT to slip through the gut into the bloodstream.

Ayahuasca almost always induces vomiting before the hallucinogenic odyssey begins. It can be both horrifying and strangely blissful. One devotee described an ayahuasca trip as "psychotherapy on steroids." But for all the root's spiritual and therapeutic benefits, the ayahuasca boom is as wild and unmanageable as the jungle itself. One unofficial stat floating around Iquitos says the number of arriving pilgrims has grown fivefold in two years. Roger Rumrrill, a journalist who has written 25 books on the Amazon region, including several on shamanism, told me there's "a corresponding boom in charlatans – in fake shamans, who are targeting foreigners."

Few experts blame the concoction itself. Alan Shoemaker, who organizes an annual shamanism conference in Iquitos, says, "Ayahuasca is one of the sacred power plants and is completely nonaddictive, has been used for literally thousands of years for healing and divination purposes . . . and dying from overdose is virtually impossible."

Still, no one monitors the medicine men, their claims, or their credentials. No one is making sure they screen patients for, say, heart problems, although ayahuasca is known to boost pulse rates and blood pressure. (When French citizen Celine René Margarite Briset died from a heart attack after taking ayahuasca in the Amazonian city of Yurimaguas in 2011, it was reported she had a preexisting heart condition.) And though many prospective ayahuasca-takers – people likely to have been prescribed antidepressants – struggle with addiction and depression, few shamans know or care to ask about antidepressants like Prozac, which can be deadly when mixed with ayahuasca. Reports suggested that a clash of meds killed 39-year-old Frenchman Fabrice Champion, who died a few months after Briset in an Iquitos-based lodge called Espiritu de Anaconda (which had already experienced one death and has since changed its name to Anaconda Cosmica). No one has been charged in either case.

Nor is anyone monitoring the growing number of lodges offering to train foreigners to make and serve the potentially deadly brew. Rumrrill scoffs at the idea. "People study for years to become a shaman," he said. "You can't become one in a few weeks....It's a public health threat." Disciples of ayahuasca insist that a shaman's job is to control the movements of evil spirits in and out of the passengers, which in layman's terms means keeping people from losing their shit. An Argentine tourist at the same lodge where Briset died reportedly stabbed himself in the chest after drinking too much of the tea. I met a passenger whose face was covered in thick scabs I assumed were symptoms of an illness for which he was being treated. It turns out he'd scraped the skin off himself during an understatedly "rough night with the medicine." Because of ayahuasca's power to plow through the psyche, many lodges screen patients for bipolar disorders or schizophrenia. But one local tour guide told me about a seeker who failed to disclose that he was schizophrenic. He drank ayahuasca and was later arrested – naked and crazed – in a public plaza. Critics worry that apprentice programs are churning out ayahuasqueros who are incapable of handling such cases.

Common are stories of female tourists who, under ayahuasca's stupor, have faced sexual predators posing as healers. A nurse from Seattle says she booked a stay at a lodge run by a gringo shaman two hours outside Iquitos. When she slipped into ayahuasca's trademark "state of hyper-suggestibility," things got weird. "He placed his hands on my breast and groin and was talking a lot of shit to me," she recalls. "I couldn't talk. I was very weak." She said she couldn't confront the shaman. During the next session, he became verbally abusive. Fearing he might hurt her, she snuck off to the river, a tributary of the Amazon, late that night and swam away. She was lucky. In 2010, a 23-year-old German woman traveled to a tiny village called Barrio Florida for three nights of ayahuasca ceremonies. She ended up raped and brutally beaten by a "shaman" and his accomplice, who were both arrested. Last November, a Slovakian woman filed charges against a shaman, claiming she'd been raped during a ceremony at a lodge in Peru.

Even more troubling than ayahuasca is toé, a "witchcraft plant" that's a member of the nightshade family. Also called Brugmansia, or angel's trumpet, toé is known for its hallucinogenic powers. Skilled shamans use it in tiny amounts, but around Iquitos, people say irresponsible shamans dose foreigners with it to give them the Disneyland light shows they've come to expect. But there are downsides, to say the least. "Toé," warns one reputable Iquitos lodge, "is potentially very dangerous, and excessive use can cause permanent mental impairment. Deaths are not uncommon from miscalculated dosages." I heard horror stories. One ayahuasca tourist said, "Toé is a heavy, dark plant that's associated with witchcraft for a reason: You can't say no. Toé makes you go crazy. Some master shamans use it in small quantities, but it takes years to work with the plants. There's nothing good to come out of it."

Another visitor, an engineer from Washington, D.C., blames toé for his recent ayahuasca misadventure. He learned about ayahuasca on the internet and booked a multinight stay at one of the region's most popular lodges. By the second night, he felt something was amiss. "When the shaman passed me the cup that night, he said, 'We're going to put you back together.' I knew something was wrong. It was unbelievably strong." The man says it hit him like a wave. "All around me, people started moaning. Then the yells and screaming started. Soon, I realized that medics were coming in and out of the hut, attending to people, trying to calm them down." He angrily told me he was sure, based on hearing the bad trips of others who'd been given the substance, they had given him toé. "Ayahuasca," he says, "should come with a warning label."

Kyle's father, Sean, suspects toé may have played a part in his son's death, but he says he's still raising the money he needs to get a California coroner to release the autopsy report. Mancoluto couldn't be reached for comment, but his former benefactor, the securities trader Roberto Velez, now regrets his involvement with Mancoluto. "The man was evil and dangerous," he says, "and the whole world needs to know so that no one ever seeks him again." Some of Mancoluto's former patients believe his brews included toé and have taken to the internet, claiming his practices were haphazard. (He allegedly sat in a tower overseeing his patients telepathically as they staggered through the forest.) One blog reports seeing a client "wandering out of the jungle, onto the road, talking to people who weren't there, waving down cars, smoking imaginary cigarettes, and his eyes actually changed color, all of which indicated a high quantity of Brugmansia in Mancoluto's brew."

Shoemaker says that even though the majority of ayahuasca trips are positive and safe, things have gotten out of hand. "Misdosing with toé doesn't make you a witch," he says. "It makes you a criminal." Velez, whose inspirational ayahuasca story was the focus of the film that sparked Kyle Nolan's interest, is no longer an advocate. "It's of life-and-death importance," he warns, "that people don't get involved with shamans they don't know. I don't know if anyone should trust a stranger with their soul."


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: The Mycologist]
    #23672519 - 09/23/16 10:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

TL;DR?

I'm too high to read this text wall. Sounds fucked up though :frown:


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: sh4d0ws]
    #23672557 - 09/23/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's mainly fake shamans, people on meds taking MAOI's, improper prep, and people capitalizing on the tourism from the brew.

"shamans" who aren't really shamans are claimed to have raped women.  People have died ( MAOI's can kill if you mix them with certain things )  and people with pre existing mental conditions have flipped out and done horrendous things to themselves.


for the tl'dr


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago]
    #23672563 - 09/23/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, now I'm really scared. I was looking into partaking in one of those week-long ayahuasca retreats in Costa Rica some time next year, and now I wonder how prevalent this problem is.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672565 - 09/23/16 10:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is there a yelp for ceremonies?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago]
    #23672588 - 09/23/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Is there a yelp for ceremonies?




I got curious so I googled "ayahuasca yelp" and this is what popped up :lol:

"Best ayahuasca ceremony!" https://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g294314-d2459571-r156300724-Etnikas_Ayahuasca_retreats-Cusco_Cusco_Region.html

That's odd, this place is in Beverly Hills and people are leaving reviews about doing ayahuasca there, even though it's supposed to be a schedule I substance in the USA? https://www.yelp.com/biz/the-holistic-sanctuary-beverly-hills

Goddamn though, people are paying $50K a month to get treated by him. I can imagine this type of medicine isn't covered by insurance so it's all paid for out of pocket.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672597 - 09/23/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever seen "The Invitation"?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago]
    #23672609 - 09/23/16 11:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

no, why? what is it?


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672617 - 09/23/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wanna netflix and chill? :lol:



But it actually is on netflix right now.  It's a pretty fucked up movie.  Well written suspense thriller.  Definitely worth a watch, I don't wanna give too much away.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Crystal G]
    #23672654 - 09/23/16 11:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

DMT is schedule 1. Aya itself is technically not... it’s legal in certain "religious and spiritual settings". It's kinda in a grey area.
http://reset.me/story/first-legal-ayahuasca-church/


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672675 - 09/23/16 11:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The last woman I had sex with had a grey area.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672679 - 09/23/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Really crazy story about Nolan though. His parents flew to peru to try find him. He DIED after an aya trip with the shamana, (probably cardiac arrest) and the shaman BURIED him without telling anyone and then admitted to it to the family when under pressure!!!

Thats a fucking nightmare

The parents then unburied their son and shipped him back to the US for storage until they can get an autopsy.

holy shit thats insanity


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: trees]
    #23672699 - 09/23/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I read about that when it happened. A shame. But you're right most likely a heart attack from an underlying condition.
There has been quite a bit of shadiness surrounding the 'ayahuasca tourism' industry mainly because it experienced a huge surge in popularity
As with anything where there is opportunity some people will try and take advantage of it.. so you end up with some quasi shamans who took some 2 week class trying to take advantage of westerners, or people trying to make it into some money making scheme
I recommend reading that thing I posted it's a pretty good read and goes into some of those details


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Sheekle]
    #23672703 - 09/24/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

This article has to be old, some of the info seems outdated and the shaman joining in on the search bit is hella old.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: vandago] * 1
    #23672728 - 09/24/16 12:23 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's mainly fake shamans, people on meds taking MAOI's, improper prep, and people capitalizing on the tourism from the brew.






they're all fakes cashing in on the new found popularity of aya


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23672733 - 09/24/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's been used medicinally for thousands of years.. there's plenty of legit shamans.
But with the rise in popularity came a big rise in fakes..
Sweat lodges should be free, or they charge like 30-50 max for a ceremony to cover the costs. Not this $5-10,000 fucking bullshit.


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672755 - 09/24/16 12:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's been used medicinally for thousands of years.. there's plenty of legit shamans.





yeah but they arent dosing tourists for the all mighty Sol


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23672775 - 09/24/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

some are.. but they use a lot more discretion


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Re: People getting raped and drugged at Aya ceremonies in Peru [Re: Shroomism]
    #23672895 - 09/24/16 02:22 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

WHATTTT I Didn't know ayahuasca contained DMT.  I'm in for a treat because the ayauwaska I currently have through my antipsychotics- Clozaril, Seroquel, Risperal, And Remeron work on the disorder in aywaska.  It's currently MESSED UP status...and it will work on all the overdoses I've done, don't worry i'm ok. It's a healing Forgiving experience, let's do it.  Dmt comes later and is a REBORN experience where you learn about death and life, crystalline icycles.  :inlove:


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