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yepyepyep
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Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years?
#23672414 - 09/23/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hello folks,
I can't even remember the last time I had an interaction with a fellow I knew who used to grow scientific samples of mushrooms for scientific science purposes - I'm going to guess about 8 years. I'm just wondering if anything major has been discovered? Back then, it was mostly WBS -> 50/50 casing for him. Is there much difference these days?
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tump
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: yepyepyep]
#23672561 - 09/23/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Besides bottle teks not really
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Mad Season
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: tump]
#23672568 - 09/23/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Lolwut? Really? Grains > 50/50 casings is old school af. Grains get spawned to a bulk sub. Casing it is optional when using bulk substrates. Look up monotubs. Very nice fruiting chambers.
Also 50/50 has been changed to the 50/50+!
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: Mad Season]
#23672627 - 09/23/16 11:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Also everyone uses agar now.
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: Inocuole]
#23672659 - 09/23/16 11:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's tons different from when I first got into it a long ass time ago. The main thing is, just read up man. Everything you can get your hands on, soak it in. It's going to be so valuable to you to be successful. The search function on the forums can be searched using basic terms, and bring up loads of topics. They can also be filtered quite easily, to only show you info and teks from trusted cultivators, and info that is recent enough to have merit.
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: Mushierage]
#23672739 - 09/24/16 12:30 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mono were still around 8 years ago. So was agar plates. Im not sure when coir became number one choice for sub instand of shit.
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: tump]
#23672776 - 09/24/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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scientific science purposes

Welcome back buddy 
Depends what you are trying to do. In academia, isolating anti-retroviral compounds and compounds with selective toxicity to cancer cells from lots of different species has been all the rage lately. So has cord. m. experimentation and p. microspora (plastic digesting fungus recently discovered in Amazon. I've been experimenting with both of those 
For cube culture, check out Azure's bulletproof automated room https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23582036/fpart/all/vc/1, it's sick. People mainly use monotubs though. New isn't necessarily better, or easier, but there are always people doing cool stuff 
Some people really love dunking grains, working well for me. I think I enjoy agar work more than fruiting, I dream about it lol.... Check out frank's guide https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
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Edited by c10h12n2o (09/24/16 12:53 AM)
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: tump]
#23672784 - 09/24/16 12:54 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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tump said: Mono were still around 8 years ago. So was agar plates. Im not sure when coir became number one choice for sub instand of shit.
Great, that's.. not really the point at all. Nobody was recommending noobs do agar 8 years ago because 8 years ago there was a prevalent misconception that agar is hard. Monotubs were brand new 8 years ago and weren't as widespread as they are now either.
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: yepyepyep]
#23672936 - 09/24/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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yepyepyep said: Is there much difference these days?
nope
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
#23673581 - 09/24/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Were you here 8 years ago bychance?
Seriously. Nothing is fundamentally different, but at the same time, everything is different. The answers you get here now are NOTHING like some of the bullshit suggestions you would get 8 years ago. That shit does not fly anymore.
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: Inocuole]
#23673682 - 09/24/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468486#8468486 read RR notes. i got back into it recently after 10 years.
a lot for me has changed but its still the same basics.. like
FOLLOW THE FRECKIN TEKS!!!!
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: mushboy]
#23673722 - 09/24/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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why read RRs notes? plenty of good stuff there but also so much and so much old its impossible to know whats good and whats dated. RRs been around so long you can find quotes of him disagreeing with himself very easily.
frankhorrigan's how I get my shit done, transcendinglife's everything I do spitballjedi's the basics
are the newest lists of tek's that's probably changed since you were around.
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: spacechildo]
#23673734 - 09/24/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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RRs notes was the first thang i reeded when i got back to shroomery. i was able to filter out the facts i knew where old from things that boggled my mind. like light during colonizing.
its like super cereal to me.
anyway... i also use and recommend frank for errrvything. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: mushboy]
#23674171 - 09/24/16 02:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Colonized grains spawned to CVG ( coir, verm, gypsum, bucket tek or pasteurized, even sterilized may work fine I hear but never tried) in a monotub is how lots of folks choose to roll. No pour agar (pastyplates) to germinate spores followed by a clean transfer for the first MS grow. Clones of promising fruits for subsequent grows to attempt an increase in future yields/potency.
No pour agar is the starting point, spawn colonized grains to CVG bulk in a monotub. Taking clones and saving the best for the future/long term storage (slants) to summarize.
Blenderless LI, Bottle tek, Pastywhites easy agar tek are all worth looking up and learning about. Invitro straw tek and V-tek are fun and different.
Sclerotia/Philosophers Stones (Atl#7 Mexicana A, Jalisco) grows are some of my favorite side projects. Not to sidetrack but I have been encouraging those just getting into grains to try out growing stones. The ease (easier than cubes! megathread) and very potent fresh stones that some say digest easier than cubes. Are worth learning about IMO.
A lower tolerance for bullshit and pseudoscience is more common here now. Expect bad teks/info to be called out more often and good ideas (standard teks) to be the encouraged starting point. When new growers are all using standard teks help/advice is easier to provide because of less deviation from tried and true methods. Easier to troubleshoot problems. If you call something an "experiment" and the scientific method is being discarded you are going to trigger people and be quickly corrected. Never a better time to get back into it! Solid advice over bullshit has never been better and always improving.
Edited by omgwtfstfu (09/24/16 02:54 PM)
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: mushboy]
#23674387 - 09/24/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468486#8468486 read RR notes. i got back into it recently after 10 years.
a lot for me has changed but its still the same basics.. like
FOLLOW THE FRECKIN TEKS!!!!
The problem with RRs notes is everything can be taken out of context because we don't see what he was replying to. Just using the awesome search function for every question you ever have is the way I do it lol
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: Mad Season]
#23675454 - 09/24/16 10:51 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow, thanks for all the ideas 
To the individual asking whether I was here 8 years ago, I was here in 1998 (different account), I was here in the 2000s (mostly a different account) 
Damn these throwaway email addresses.
Edited by yepyepyep (09/24/16 10:52 PM)
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: yepyepyep]
#23675544 - 09/24/16 11:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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I was asking someone else that, I can clearly see your account is from 07. I had another account for awhile since 08 and lurked a bit before then, but then disassociated from that one so I could start growing seriously.
We mostly have a lot of the same info, but the difference between then and now is that so many people have taken their time to organize it for easy consumption. It doesn't feel like designing a rocket to learn agar anymore because there are videos that show exactly how easy it can be. There's lots of resource banks like these that can immediately catch someone up to speed.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19140341#19140341 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21448273 https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22721954 http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20541405
Lots more info available about preparing different kinds of grains, or the same grains in different ways. Everything is just more diverse and active, and the newer folks are starting with agar so that they never get that time-enforced impression that it's hard. Liquid inoculant is another thing people are doing a lot, instead of using LC or GLC. Just read all that stuff and you'll get an idea. Lots of things that got recommended 8 years ago would be considered downright sloppy and lazy now. Don't take offense to that if it happens, but take it as an opportunity.
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: yepyepyep]
#23675729 - 09/25/16 01:57 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for taking the time to link me.
I actually stopped last time, just as I'd received agar plates - so I'm going to be able to dig into that straight away.
It's good to see that like 8 years ago, people are super willing to help. Thanks!
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Re: Has the technique meta changed much over the last 8 or so years? [Re: yepyepyep]
#23675734 - 09/25/16 02:03 AM (7 years, 4 months ago) |
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