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InvisibleMOTH
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Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?"
    #2367165 - 02/22/04 09:38 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

I don't post much in this forum, but I am an avid reader.

Anyway, I hear the term "intellectual" thrown around alot on here.

What exactly is the defintion (or your personal definition) of what an "intellectual" is, and how do you become one?


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2367270 - 02/22/04 10:52 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Someone that thinks about stuff, or provokes thought about stuff.


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2367327 - 02/22/04 11:28 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The impression that dictionary.com gave me is that it is someone who is capable of thinking rationally... that and it used the word "intellect" in the definition... an intellectual is someone who has intellect? hehehe. I find it a a label that isn't needed.... *shrugs*
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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2367329 - 02/22/04 11:30 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

The concept of intellect is related to order. I have written the following based on David Bohm's thoughts on order (Science, order and creativity) which includes a deep definition of intellect:

The concept of order seems to depend on classifications. If some elements is to be ordered, the elements have to be defined first, based on a given context. Such extracts from the underlying reality is aquired by our ability to percieve similarities and differences. Elements of certain similar features is gathered apart from those elements lacking these features, forming a selection of such elements. In fact, the Latin root of the word select means ``to gater apart''.

After elements with certain features have been gathered apart from their common background (due to common features), they are then put together (regarding their differences as unimportant) to form a certain cathegory (i.e. birds of all kinds is classified together in contrast to the rest of the animal kingdom). Such a cathegory is refered to as a collection, it's Latin root meaning ``to gather together''.

We see that any cathegorization involves the combined action of selection and collection. (Even if the mentioned birds have similar features they have uncountable differences as well, so after the process of selection, there must be a process of collection).

The process of cathegoristaion is of primal importance to all beings. It is what brings order to the world. The importance laid on the different cathegories varies according to the need for developing such cathegories, i.e. an Eskimo would operate with over twenty different cathegories for snow.

There is always an everchanging web of cathegorization operating within thought, new cathegories are formed while others are dissolved. It is very interesting to notice that the word intelligence comes from the latin root 'intelligere' which means ``to gather in between'', which implies to percieve what lies in between, thereby forming new cathegories.

The notion of intelligence can then be contrasted to intellect which is the past participle of 'intelligere', meaning ``what has been gathered''. An intellectual person is thus a person which has a high degree of refinement in his classification, thereby having many cathegories to operate within.

While intelligence is a dynamic and creative act of perception, intellect is more limited and static, operating in an already existing scheme of cathegories.


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2367365 - 02/22/04 11:51 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It is someone who thinks clearly, communicates well, and has a broad range of interests to talk about. There's a lot of them floating around here although they don't always agree they are interesting.


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: The_Visionaire]
    #2367376 - 02/22/04 11:55 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:  :laugh:

Quote:

The_Visionaire said:
There is always an everchanging web of cathegorization operating within thought, new cathegories are formed while others are dissolved. 




So, do you see order as only being something that we ourselves construct, while chaos continues to change what we've already ordered?
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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2367773 - 02/22/04 02:27 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Reducing and overcoming obstacles that beset us thru the use of the intellect is the realm of intellectuals,

as opposed to those who depend primarily on the use of physical force to resolve the problems that confront them, in my opinion.

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"If the spoils belong to the victor (Thor)
Then who is wise, the emporer or the begger?
By arms or by inheritence it is thru death"-

-the premise behind Yales Skull & Bones club of which Bush is a member.

The fault in this premise is that the spoils belong to Thor,
in what ever guise he wishes to garb himself .

And so I ask you, Scull & Bones members...

If the spoils belong to the victor (Thor)
Then who is wise, the emporer or the begger?

The answer being obvious of course.




Edited by castaway (02/22/04 03:10 PM)


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2368170 - 02/22/04 03:58 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

A foolish person :lol:


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2368189 - 02/22/04 04:02 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I know that you need to lay around on big colorful cushions and smoke hashish - hope that helps.


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: hawk]
    #2368193 - 02/22/04 04:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Re: Hawk

Hey!!

You're swift!


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2368203 - 02/22/04 04:07 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

Answer in Logics, mathematics and emotion thread..


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: MOTH]
    #2369349 - 02/22/04 09:24 PM (13 years, 5 months ago)

how do you become one?

look within you already are one


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: falcon]
    #2370809 - 02/23/04 06:35 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

One could be cynical and suggest that the term 'intellectual' is often applied to people by other people of like-minded opinion - and works on the presumption that the person has a more valid set of ideas about a topic because of the assumption that they have much more insight into the issues from being so learned.
It doesnt take that much to read lots of books on a topic, and it still comes back to being able to relate to the human condition and rationalise issues affectively. On that basis, an intellectuals view is only more supposedly valid because of the time they took to make it.


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Re: Really, what exactly is an "intellectual?" [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #2370963 - 02/23/04 09:00 AM (13 years, 5 months ago)

It doesnt take that much to read lots of books on a topic, and it still comes back to being able to relate to the human condition and rationalise issues affectively. On that basis, an intellectuals view is only more supposedly valid because of the time they took to make it

Intelectual's views are no more valid than any one elses, they just have a better understanding of the use of language, which is not in expressing opinions really worth that much.


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