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Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US
    #23671168 - 09/23/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

No wonder they want kratom illegal, it could cut into their money...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/09/20/prescription-painkillers-are-more-widely-used-than-tobacco-new-federal-study-finds/
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More than 1 in 3 American adults -- 35 percent -- were given painkiller prescriptions by medical providers last year. The total rate of painkiller use is even higher -- 38 percent -- when you factor in the number of adults who obtained painkillers for misuse via other means, from friends or relatives, or via drug dealers.

These numbers come from a recent Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration report that highlights the stunning ubiquity of prescription painkillers in modern American life. The report indicates that in 2015, more American adults used prescription painkillers than used cigarettes, smokeless tobacco or cigars -- combined.

But critics have argued that Drug Enforcement Administration policies -- some long-standing, some new -- are undercutting federal efforts to curb opioid abuse.

For instance, earlier this year, the DEA refused to reduce restrictions on marijuana use, arguing that there was insufficient evidence of marijuana's medical benefits. Multiple studies have found that access to medical marijuana is associated with reductions in prescription painkiller abuse and overdose rates.

More recently, the DEA announced a plan to ban the use of kratom, a Southeast Asian plant with opiate-like qualities. Many users of kratom report that the plant has helped them quit using more powerful prescription painkillers. Researchers are worried that without kratom available to them, these users will return to prescription painkillers or move on to heroin.




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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23671175 - 09/23/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit. I wonder how accurate 35% is....


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: musiclover420]
    #23671212 - 09/23/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

That sounds a little far fetched to me....Maybe if they're including tylenol & aspirin.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23671219 - 09/23/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Shit you're probably right. Ibuprofen too. :lol:


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23671235 - 09/23/16 02:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Guess the poppy fields they captured in the middle east are doing well.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23671243 - 09/23/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Im not suprised by 38% at all. Shit is nuts, not in my lifetime, not in my parents lifetime even has there been a drug epidemic this bad.

And heroin use alone is HUGE, bigger than ever. People i went to school with, family members, friends are addicts. You can thank government, doctors, lawyers for the rx and subsequent heroin epidemic. Basically anyone in power who has been corrupted by greed. What has america experienced that rivals what we are currently experiencing? 

The only thing that comes close yet still falls short is alcohol prohibition where people were going blind from drinking rotgut whiskey, crime & vice was rampant, and alcohol abuse was at an all time high.

Hell half a dozen people i know personally or know of have OD'd and died this year. Some people i know who readily cling to conspiracy theories believe all this was calculated and purposeful by the powers that be in order to decimate the population.

I personally believe its due to a decline in the quality of life and opportunity in America (the economy, lack of jobs, etc.) Combined with the push and pull game that was playes on the american people regarding opiates.

What i dont understand is why obvious and well known safer options to opiates are swept under the rug or ignored. Like mj and kratom.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23671253 - 09/23/16 02:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What i dont understand is why obvious and well known safer options to opiates are swept under the rug or ignored. Like mj and kratom.





$$$, its that simple sadly. That is also probably why they opt to use more addictive longer lasting opiates that are hard to quit.

Take some of those and tell a few thousand doctors they are safe/ non addictive and you have an instant nation wide cash cow...


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: PatrickKn]
    #23671257 - 09/23/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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PatrickKn said:
Shit you're probably right. Ibuprofen too. :lol:



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Thayendanegea said:
That sounds a little far fetched to me....Maybe if they're including tylenol & aspirin.



They're not unless it's Tylenol with codeine in it which you cannot get OTC in the US

http://www.samhsa.gov/data/sites/default/files/NSDUH-FFR2-2015/NSDUH-FFR2-2015.htm

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The specific pain relievers that individuals used in the past year were categorized into 11 subtypes, such as hydrocodone products (Figure 2).19 In 2015, the most commonly used prescription pain relievers were hydrocodone products, which include Vicodin®, Lortab®, Norco®, Zohydro® ER, and generic hydrocodone (Table B.4 in Appendix B). Approximately 58.3 million people aged 12 or older used hydrocodone products in the past year, representing 21.8 percent of the population. An estimated 27.9 million people aged 12 or older, or 10.4 percent of the population, used oxycodone products in the past year. Oxycodone products include OxyContin®, Percocet®, Percodan®, Roxicet®, Roxicodone®, and generic oxycodone. Of the 27.9 million people aged 12 or older who used oxycodone products, 9.1 million used OxyContin®. This number of people who used OxyContin® in the past year represents 3.4 percent of the population aged 12 or older. Estimates for the past year use of buprenorphine products and methadone among people aged 12 or older were 0.9 and 0.6 percent, respectively. These two products are used in medication-assisted treatment to help people reduce or quit their use of heroin or other opiates.






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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: musiclover420]
    #23671275 - 09/23/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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What i dont understand is why obvious and well known safer options to opiates are swept under the rug or ignored. Like mj and kratom.





$$$, its that simple sadly. That is also probably why they opt to use more addictive longer lasting opiates that are hard to quit.

Take some of those and tell a few thousand doctors they are safe/ non addictive and you have an instant nation wide cash cow...




http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1722526
This guy resigned from the chair of the DSM because he was fed up with the bullshit.
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Dr. Allen Frances
Duke University
DSM-5 Chair said:



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  "Psychiatric diagnosis is facing a renewed crisis of confidence caused by diagnostic inflation. The DSM-5, the recently published fifth edition of the diagnostic manual, ignored this risk and introduced several high-prevalence diagnoses at the fuzzy boundary with normality.  The already overused diagnosis of attention-deficit disorder will be even easier to apply to adults thanks to criteria that have been loosened further."  (my italics)

    "Drug companies take marketing advantage of the loose DSM definitions by promoting the misleading idea that everyday life problems are actually undiagnosed psychiatric illness caused by a chemical imbalance and requiring a solution in pill form."

Now, normal grief can be classified as "major depressive disorder", the forgetfulness of old age as "mild neurocognitive disorder", a child with temper tantrums has "disruptive mood dysregulation disorder", and overeating is a "binge eating disorder".  Even "caffeine withdrawal" is listed.  Typically anything classified in DSM - V will be eligible for insurance reimbursement...$$$.

New psychiatric diagnoses are now potentially more dangerous than new psychiatric drugs. Diagnostic expansions lead to drug company promotions that dramatically increase the use of unnecessary medications, with high cost and potentially harmful side effects. In the United States, we carefully monitor new drug development but do not have an effective system to vet the safety and efficacy of new psychiatric diagnoses. The problems associated with the DSM-5 prove that the APA should no longer hold a monopoly on psychiatric diagnosis. Another mechanism for revising the diagnostic system must be developed.




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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23671289 - 09/23/16 02:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Good for him for resigning. He should start some sort of alternative medicine business.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: musiclover420]
    #23671330 - 09/23/16 02:52 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The fact that opana exists at all is testament to the overstepping of power that the pharmaceutical industry has been practicing.
That shit is stronger than heroin, lasts longer than heroin, and comes in doses up to 40mg


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: ModestMouse]
    #23671384 - 09/23/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Having been a heroin and opiate addict in general for years I don't find it farfetched at all. It makes you OK with being OK.

Shit one of my friends parents would get 150 roxi 30's every month. Valued at 40 bucks a piece. I got them for free as I was selling a lot of them but they'd come up like 7 grand every month. Fuck what doctor are you seeing they won't give me shit.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #23671397 - 09/23/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's pretty fucked that these days there's no need for farce reality has entered full on self-parody mode


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Enjoywho] * 1
    #23671461 - 09/23/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Having been a heroin and opiate addict in general for years I don't find it farfetched at all. It makes you OK with being OK.

Shit one of my friends parents would get 150 roxi 30's every month. Valued at 40 bucks a piece. I got them for free as I was selling a lot of them but they'd come up like 7 grand every month. Fuck what doctor are you seeing they won't give me shit.



The people who get those kind of big ass scripts all seem to have either cancer or back/spine issues ime. If you had some traumatic injury and surgery on your back, you are like guaranteed scripts like that. Oh well that is as long as you dont say that you smoke pot or had a problem before with drugs, in that case go fuck yourself and suffer.

But yeah, cancer or back problems. I've dealt with many different people selling their pills. Go to any trailer park and ask some of the old timers.

Years back i dealt with a woman who had throat cancer and a voice box. Its too bad, she was a very nice woman. I was about 18 at the time and got a call on the house phone, my dad yells for me. He covers the phone, looks at me and is like,"who the fuck do you know who had a laryngetomy?"


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Mush 4 Brains]
    #23671505 - 09/23/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ya there both dead now. His mom was the one that got them. She got shot in the knees. With a shotgun. She mostly just sat in her chair reading, chain smoked, and dealt out life lessons as she was very wise. I miss her a lot and didn't get to say goodbye.

Opiates are everywhere. I've had many friends od on heroin. As they switched the oxys to the ops. Whatever company supplies that shit they have a lot of blood on there hands. Everyone switched to heroin and you never fucking know.

Ya I grew up with her she was like a 2nd mom to me. I'd pay any amount to have one life lesson handed down to my stupid ass.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23671641 - 09/23/16 04:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"DEA opts for job security instead of curbing opiate use"


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: theRealrollforever]
    #23671671 - 09/23/16 05:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

fark.... thats awful.

"Everyone is a opiate addict, they just dont know it"

even if was say like 20%... thats still a fucking lot.

so.... much.... corruption.....

i hope those cunts sleep well on there piles of money, while addicts suffer on the streets.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: kakashi68]
    #23671745 - 09/23/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's more or less I've found it's ok with being OK. From my years of chasing the dragon that's all I was chasing. Feeling OK.


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Re: Painkiller use higher than tobacco use in the US [Re: kakashi68]
    #23671803 - 09/23/16 06:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"The number of prescriptions for opioids (like hydrocodone and oxycodone products) have escalated from around 76 million in 1991 to nearly 207 million in 2013, with the United States their biggest consumer globally, accounting for almost 100 percent of the world total for hydrocodone (e.g., Vicodin) and 81 percent for oxycodone (e.g., Percocet)."

https://www.drugabuse.gov/about-nida/legislative-activities/testimony-to-congress/2016/americas-addiction-to-opioids-heroin-prescription-drug-abuse


Prescriptions doesn't equal the total amount of users. I believe most of the prescriptions are single individuals getting 12 or more opioid prescriptions a year for their pain, this is to avoid people from abusing their drugs.

The max amount of adderall I can receive from my doctor is a 90 day supply. Amphetamines is schedule 2, and strong opioids(like vicodin, hydrocodone and fentanyl) would follow the same rules and guidelines as amphetamines from what I'm aware of. 90 days is the max for schedule 2 and 3 stimulants and narcotics(it's also rare to do 90 day supplys, most of the time doctors typically prescribe you 30 day supplys, my doc typically gives me 60-90 day supplys of stimulants).

The assumption that painkiller use is higher than tobacco use is most likely an exaggeration IMO.


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