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Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics)
    #23671057 - 09/23/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I just started using H-poo and have a tub in my martha that has been consolidating for about a week after I thought it was ready for fruiting. The mycelium has gotten very tight, and is basically a solid brick now. There is some pinning, and tons of hyphal knots all over, but I'm noticing some tiny blue aborts and wonder what this tells me about the conditions.

I've been misting / fanning twice a day, and my martha has plenty of FAE and stays at 95% humidity.

The pins that are coming out look healthy, just not the little aborts.

Any suggestions?



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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23671273 - 09/23/16 02:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well, you shouldn't consolidate tubs/trays for one.  That's only for cakes. 

Also, maybe my eyes need checked but that sub doesn't look superbly healthy.  It looks a bit bacterial.  That, combined with a rock hard sub makes it probably pretty difficult for your sub to accumulate any water from misting too. 

You sure it isn't dry, or the surface isn't getting too dry between mistings?

Pick off your aborts.  They only serve to rot on the surface and potentially feed contaminants already on your sub.


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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23671363 - 09/23/16 03:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

your eyes don't need a check. Looks bacterial to me, too. I just can emphasize what Mushierage wrote.


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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: Mushierage]
    #23671369 - 09/23/16 03:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Well, you shouldn't consolidate tubs/trays for one.  That's only for cakes.


 

Good to know.. I actually went into fruiting as soon as the top looked fully colonized, so I'm just speculating on the consolidation based on how it kept solidifying and not pinning for a week.

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Also, maybe my eyes need checked but that sub doesn't look superbly healthy.  It looks a bit bacterial.  That, combined with a rock hard sub makes it probably pretty difficult for your sub to accumulate any water from misting too. 




Doesn't look bacterial.. just an extreme close-up and there's some tinge of the h-poo still showing thru some of the thinner areas of mycelium. May be the spring water I'm using too.. it's local spring water from the ground. There's some mineral content in there. Not sure if that's bad for the mushies, but it's a popular drinking water spring.

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Mushierage said:You sure it isn't dry, or the surface isn't getting too dry between mistings?




I don't think the surface is getting dry. Humidity is high and the surface is moist, not wet, to the touch.


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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23671378 - 09/23/16 03:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Nah. You can tell me what you want but the colonized substrate does not look right to me. Could you tell me the composition of your substrate? Maybe then it makes sense for me why it looks like it looks.


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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: enlightenment]
    #23671481 - 09/23/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Nah. You can tell me what you want but the colonized substrate does not look right to me. Could you tell me the composition of your substrate? Maybe then it makes sense for me why it looks like it looks.




I did 40% Poo, 40% Jiffy Mix, 20% Verm


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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23671524 - 09/23/16 04:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

All ingredients pasteurized correctly? Could be a bacterial issue. Genetics or FAE (i know you wrote that you provide enough FAE but are you sure?) Is it your first grow in this setup? It could be bad genetics. But as Mushierage wrote it could be contaminated.  You should try another batch with new genetics in your current setup. If there are still aborts chances are high, that your FAE is not enough.

You say humidity, FAE, substrate moisture everything is correct and there is no contam in your opinion. If that's all correct it looks like a genetic problem.


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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: enlightenment]
    #23671602 - 09/23/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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All ingredients pasteurized correctly? Could be a bacterial issue. Genetics or FAE (i know you wrote that you provide enough FAE but are you sure?) Is it your first grow in this setup? It could be bad genetics. But as Mushierage wrote it could be contaminated.  You should try another batch with new genetics in your current setup. If there are still aborts chances are high, that your FAE is not enough.

You say humidity, FAE, substrate moisture everything is correct and there is no contam in your opinion. If that's all correct it looks like a genetic problem.




Yeah, I think I got the pasteurization perfect this time. Double oven bag in large pot @ 155 f for 6 hours.

I also just remembered that I had about a 24 hour period where I'd turned the switch off of my ultrasonic, and the humidity was down at around 65%, so maybe some young hyphae dried out and that's what we're looking at. There are several more nice healthy looking pins in the tub right now that weren't there earlier, and a lot of knots that are bigger and healthly looking too.


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Re: Tiny blue aborts / strong mycelium (Pics) [Re: ColonelAngus]
    #23671965 - 09/23/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

If there's bacterial issues, it almost certainly stemmed from your spawn, as it does for 99% of other cultivators having that issue.  I don't pretend to be any pro at this, but I'm learning and getting better daily.  If you look closely at that sub, it looks to be a little swollen and puffy, instead of your normal strand like patches on the top that are more flush with the surface.  That's always a good indicator that you may have a slightly bacterial substrate I've learned, which is common and of course not the end of the world. 

It may not look or smell like bacterial sub, and a few months back I might even be inclined to agree, but coming here and getting feedback from other pros has helped me immensely.  I was no noob before I signed up, but boy did I ever feel like one because everything I was doing was wrong.  (Well, not everything, but you get it). 

Years of doing things a certain way is hard to change, but once realize that you didn't know the difference between a bacterial yield and a healthy yield, your entire view suddenly changes and you want to learn and share everything you can.  At least that's how I feel about it. 

Do yourself a huge favor and take the time to read up on everything you can from teks to other people's experiences.  Immerse yourself in the community, share knowledge, and become a valued community asset.  I guarantee you'll make friends (including ones willing to trade spores or other LEGAL commodities) and your technique will improve ten fold, which you will be very thankful for in the end. 

Hope the insight has helped.  Cheers.


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