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Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank
    #23669899 - 09/23/16 12:50 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/23/could-brexit-cure-your-hangover-scrap-eu-rules-and-raise-a-glass/

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23 September 2016



Leaving the European Union will allow manufacturers to bring forward a new generation of hangover-free drinks, a leading think tank has said.

Strict EU regulations are holding back the development of synthetic alcohols, which give drinkers the sensation of being tipsy without a hangover or long-term health hazards, according to the Adam Smith Institute.

Researchers believe the products, such as Alcosynth, are up to 100 times safer than normal alcohol, but that complex health and safety rules are making it commercially unviable to develop them.



The free market think tank is urging the Government to utilise Brexit to free up the regulatory framework.

It is also calling for the ditching of the EU’s Tobacco Products Directive, which came into force in Britain in May, which it claims is preventing more widespread use of e-cigarettes in place of traditional tobacco.

Sam Brown, the executive director of the Adam Smith Institute,  said: “Regulation must be flexible and encouraging of new products that are safer than the vices they’re competing with.

“Britain can be a world leader in safe alternatives to alcohol and cigarettes, but we need regulation that fosters those things instead of stamping them out.

“Products like synthetic alcohol and reduced-risk tobacco products promise to repeat the success of e-cigs for new people, but only if we let them.”




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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23669911 - 09/23/16 01:02 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I did a quick search and found that Alcosynth is just a benzo, like valium or xanax. I guess they just dissolve it in a beverage in low concentration and you slowly dose yourself on the benzo.


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #23669972 - 09/23/16 02:26 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Discussion is completely pointless unless you know which benzo


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23670278 - 09/23/16 07:32 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I hope this means they'll bring back GHB.


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: howsyournaggerdoin]
    #23670285 - 09/23/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Dosing benzos like alcohol, what could go wrong ? :cheers:lol

interestingly star trek already did it
"Synthehol is alcohol alternative served on Starfleet vessels and starbases."

Also reminds me of reading something a while back about 2M2B

Tertiary alcohols like 2M2B cannot be oxidised to aldehyde or carboxylic acid metabolites, which are often toxic; this makes them safer drugs than primary alcohols

This means hangover should be pretty much non-existent if you stay hydrated since dehydration and acetaldehyde are the primary hang-over causes.

Trip reports say there's still an hangover tough, but much weaker than a normal ethanol hangover


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: ellomello]
    #23671278 - 09/23/16 02:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I was very interested in Tertiary alcohols for awhile even though I don't drink. Even started a thread asking why we drink ethanol over them...


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: musiclover420]
    #23672086 - 09/23/16 07:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

bet your kids don't come out retarded/dead too


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Konyap]
    #23672109 - 09/23/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

:ohyou:

Would be funny to see alcohols marketed to pregant woman in the future as not harming their babies, well only funny if they really don't...


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: musiclover420]
    #23672126 - 09/23/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

it's not just a womans issue
the gov't love people on tobbacco and alcohol becuase then their seed cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to ride the yellow bus


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Konyap]
    #23674674 - 09/24/16 05:24 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So what the hell is it?  Sounds like a benzo.  Wouldn't that be pathetic?

The think tank says "raise a glass"

The antichrist.  Nice fucking article.


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23678662 - 09/26/16 03:16 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

this is exactly why regulations exist, so assholes cant sell benzos at bars.

the Adam Smith Institute are libertarian whackjobs.


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Konyap]
    #23679002 - 09/26/16 07:58 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Konyap said:
it's not just a womans issue
the gov't love people on tobbacco and alcohol becuase then their seed cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to ride the yellow bus



For truth but jeez man


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Duke of disjour]
    #23680878 - 09/26/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I may be wrong about this, but I think it's probably Bretaznil, iirc this is the compound David Nutt was proposing to replace alcohol before they actually came up with this product. The idea being it is only a partial agonist so its safer and less dependance forming than regular benzos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bretazenil

Although they could have found something they think would be safer or less dependance forming(another benzo partial agonist I'm sure, just better profile than bretazenil)

He also suggested Pagoclone, but pagoclone is a nonbenzo GABA-A modulator, and I know I read somewhere that synthahol was a benzo derivative, I'd imagine the non-benzo GABAergic anxiolytics either aren't well researched enough for them to feel comfortable using them or just weren't "fun" enough.


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Coolwhip GA]
    #23680914 - 09/26/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I really cant see this ending well, whatever theyre planning on putting in it haha :shrug:


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: Spellbound]
    #23687610 - 09/28/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Can and may you please see the subterfuge?

They destroy people for a living.


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Re: Scrap EU rules and raise a glass to synthetic alcohol, says think tank [Re: fractalsybolism]
    #23739782 - 10/15/16 11:29 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

If this is a benzo, I can only imagine the issues that will arise when people try to combine this with regular alcohol.

Besides, people get seizures detoxing from benzos.  I know alcohol withdrawals are some of the most dangerous withdrawals a person can have, but do we really want to try to transition to benzos? 

It sounds like an incredible business idea, not that it's a new one, to get people hooked on an 'alcohol' they can't just quit.  With alcohol, it takes significant time of regular drinking for the withdrawals to be dangerous, whereas with benzos it only takes a few weeks of regular use.


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