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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23668656 - 09/22/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Just because you don't experience certain mystical experiences while on psychedelics doesn't mean they don't trigger those experiences for other people. Ive had god experiences from low to moderate doses of various serotonergic hallucinogens so clearly they hold the potential to evoke these responses. There's no one dose fits all and not all are prone to it.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23668659 - 09/22/16 04:27 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

While on heavy doses of psychedelics and doing nitrous oxide I would occasionally have an experience where I felt I was surrounded by people and they yell at me "GOD IS REAL!!" and then some unexplainable shit would happen. 

These experiences were much more "real" than the other experiences/epiphanies from the nitrous/psyche combo.

I have a friend who VERY rarely trips.  We were hanging out on 2c-B and I gave him 2 chargers in a balloon and I went to the bathroom.

When I came out he was standing at the kitchen sink washing the balloon with a blank kind of scared/confused look on his face. 

A little bit later I told him what happened and he told me he was washing his sins off/away.  He's done some bad things in his life.  He won't trip anymore.  :shrug:

I've never had "GOD IS REAL!" experiences on DMT, but it certainly appears to show heavenly realms including a place that seemed like a hallway made of light to a school for spirits.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23668662 - 09/22/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If you understand neurobiology, the experience becomes explainable in ways that don't necessitate the invocation of spirits, gods, elves, or alternate dimensions.




Exactly, which is why Moonshoe's pill results in forced belief. These people think that just because psychedelics led them to believe in god, that says something generally. It doesn't.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: 404]
    #23668664 - 09/22/16 04:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I agree man, Ive had "god" like trips and purely recreational ones too at the same doses. Its irrelevant other than how you mentally feel at the time really. Sometimes its just a feeling inside and others its something thats manifesting infront of you visually. That doesnt mean I am religious but it causes me to always keep an agnostic view on alot of things in life.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: 404] * 1
    #23668665 - 09/22/16 04:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Just because you don't experience certain mystical experiences while on psychedelics doesn't mean they don't trigger those experiences for other people.




That isn't what he was saying. He was saying those experiences could have alternate explanations.


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There's no one dose fits all and not all are prone to it.




That's exactly what OP is talking about, which is why it would be forced belief.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23668678 - 09/22/16 04:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

He's saying it can be trigered by electrical stimulation in certain areas of the brain, and to a degree, he is right. Electricity is one part of the responses down the axons, and the synapses release specific neurotransmitters which alter blood flow and dopaminergic responses in other areas. The feeling of god is also something that seems to happen in some people in regards to temporal lobe epilepsy - one of the regions i mentioned before


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #23668701 - 09/22/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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While on heavy doses of psychedelics and doing nitrous oxide I would occasionally have an experience where I felt I was surrounded by people and they yell at me "GOD IS REAL!!" and then some unexplainable shit would happen. 

These experiences were much more "real" than the other experiences/epiphanies from the nitrous/psyche combo.

I have a friend who VERY rarely trips.  We were hanging out on 2c-B and I gave him 2 chargers in a balloon and I went to the bathroom.

When I came out he was standing at the kitchen sink washing the balloon with a blank kind of scared/confused look on his face. 

A little bit later I told him what happened and he told me he was washing his sins off/away.  He's done some bad things in his life.  He won't trip anymore.  :shrug:

I've never had "GOD IS REAL!" experiences on DMT, but it certainly appears to show heavenly realms including a place that seemed like a hallway made of light to a school for spirits.


And I'm not saying that understanding the neurobiology automatically means that God and those spirits don't exist. I'm just saying that taking psychedelics doesn't FORCE YOU to believe that they are real. It's possible to come out of the experience and think, "Wow, that was one awesome hallucination caused by serotonergic neurons in my parahippocampus being forced to activate at a frequency much higher than that at which they would activate in response to the same electrical input during a sober state. My brain was clearly struggling to send useful output information to my visual cortex because so many episodic memory pathways were firing simultaneously."

Or you could come out of that experience and say, "Wow, I just peeked behind the veil into the Kingdom of God."

And who knows, maybe there is a Kingdom of God "hidden behind a veil", and maybe that veil is made out this system composed of a set of episodic memories that are retrieved at a particular frequency. Or something.

All I am saying is that if you take psychedelics and think you've found the True Path to Enlightenment for Everyone, maybe there's a little bit of irony when you accuse others of being closed-minded.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23668715 - 09/22/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The brain is 40 watts.  Some shit seems way beyond what 40 watts can ever experience.  I honestly think those 40 watts are designed to block reality.  Carry on with their own delusion of self and survival.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23668728 - 09/22/16 05:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The brain is 40 watts.  Some shit seems way beyond what 40 watts can ever experience.  I honestly think those 40 watts are designed to block reality.  Carry on with their own delusion of self and survival.



Lol this is extra dumb. First of all it's 20watts. Second of all you realize that the 20 watt brain is orders of magnitude more computationally powerful than a 250 watt computer right? It's about complexity not power.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23668748 - 09/22/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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The brain is 40 watts.  Some shit seems way beyond what 40 watts can ever experience.  I honestly think those 40 watts are designed to block reality.  Carry on with their own delusion of self and survival.



Lol this is extra dumb. First of all it's 20watts. Second of all you realize that the 20 watt brain is orders of magnitude more computationally powerful than a 250 watt computer right? It's about complexity not power.




12 watts


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23668785 - 09/22/16 05:20 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Fuck naw, man. That's some straight up mark of the beast shit. :awedisgust:


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23668972 - 09/22/16 06:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Morel Guy said:
The brain is 40 watts.  Some shit seems way beyond what 40 watts can ever experience.  I honestly think those 40 watts are designed to block reality.  Carry on with their own delusion of self and survival.



Lol this is extra dumb. First of all it's 20watts. Second of all you realize that the 20 watt brain is orders of magnitude more computationally powerful than a 250 watt computer right? It's about complexity not power.




12 watts



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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23669002 - 09/22/16 06:36 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yet to know what we know exactly or what it actually is.  Also do drugs change this?  LSD feels like more wattage!


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