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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23668216 - 09/22/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

When I was at the peak of 300ug ALD52, I prayed that if God truly existed then we're coming for his ass and we were going to overthrow him and put his ass in jail for crimes against humanity, and he should be very, very afraid. I said that he was going to pay for every ounce of suffering ever inflicted on every living thing in the universe, and we were going to put him on trial, punish him, and replace him with real democracy, that he should be very, very afraid because we were coming for his ass and we are going to make him pay. So on and so forth.

I meant every word of it, and I still do.

So I dunno, like... it'd probably be more of the same on such a drug. God, if he exists, is an absolute dictator who must be overthrown, put on trial for crimes against humanity, and replaced with real democracy. IF he exists, which is a big if to begin with.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #23668218 - 09/22/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is it your mental judgment that is tested?  I know I do not need a religion or a thought process to test my judgment.  If my idea is delusion it will fail.  If my idea is true then there is a good chance of floating by.  No promises.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23668240 - 09/22/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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No, I wouldn't take the delusion pill.





Funny how we are a psychedelics forum and we have members whio are appalled by the notion of having their consciousness expanded.

Do you trip, Clock_of_omens? Because shrooms and LSD do exactly that to a whole lot of people.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23668249 - 09/22/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Hell no, I wouldn't take a God pill, dude.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: California]
    #23668256 - 09/22/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Hell no, I wouldn't take a God pill, dude.




Not even IV or rectally?


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Asante]
    #23668303 - 09/22/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Funny how we are a psychedelics forum and we have members whio are appalled by the notion of having their consciousness expanded.

Do you trip, Clock_of_omens? Because shrooms and LSD do exactly that to a whole lot of people.




Forced belief isn't consciousness expansion. I'm pretty sure shrooms and LSD don't force you to believe in god.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23668307 - 09/22/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I would absolutely take it.

Ever since I took the red pill I've been wishing I had taken the blue pill.

And according to your conditions I don't even have to sell out my best friends in order to do so :wink:


Anyone claiming such a thing already exists is full of it. There is no such drug. There is a TDCS helmet that induces mystical experiences, but if you know how it works, then it's easy to remain skeptical of mysticism even if you use it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_helmet


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23668317 - 09/22/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

BTW cool thread I am stealing it for other forums


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: morrowasted]
    #23668348 - 09/22/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I find mystical experience richer than everyday experience or mental illness.  Although there is no clear separation of mystical experience and mental illness.  There is simply less suffering and who would not desire less suffering?


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23668398 - 09/22/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Funny how we are a psychedelics forum and we have members whio are appalled by the notion of having their consciousness expanded.

Do you trip, Clock_of_omens? Because shrooms and LSD do exactly that to a whole lot of people.




Forced belief isn't consciousness expansion. I'm pretty sure shrooms and LSD don't force you to believe in god.





Its not forced belief, its an experience that leads you to believe. And, you don't want that, which is OK.

But do you trip?


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Asante]
    #23668445 - 09/22/16 03:14 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Lol, if taking the pill necessarily results in belief, that is forced belief. I've taken shrooms once.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: clock_of_omens]
    #23668454 - 09/22/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Lol, if taking the pill necessarily results in belief, that is forced belief. I've taken shrooms once.




There is a chemistry to the functioning of the brain that forms belief.  They do force drugs on people who are out of social context in their thinking.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Asante]
    #23668466 - 09/22/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Asante said:
Funny how we are a psychedelics forum and we have members whio are appalled by the notion of having their consciousness expanded.

Do you trip, Clock_of_omens? Because shrooms and LSD do exactly that to a whole lot of people.




Forced belief isn't consciousness expansion. I'm pretty sure shrooms and LSD don't force you to believe in god.





Its not forced belief, its an experience that leads you to believe. And, you don't want that, which is OK.

But do you trip?




no he explicitly stated you would forever after believe, as if that was an effect of the drug itself. I wouldn't want that, especially given that its far more likely, if such a drug existed, that the belief it induces is false rather than genuine. If god is real -which some sort of deity may or may not be- surely one ought to approach that realization through logic and experience, rather than a forced change in beliefs induced (presumably) by some kind of brain damage?


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23668470 - 09/22/16 03:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Those exist. They're called "psychedelics"
Not everyone will have a mystical experience, likely because of differences in chemistry and structure. Some people take acid or others and experience 'divine' states of consciousness, others like a couple friends of mine don't experience that at all.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: 404]
    #23668481 - 09/22/16 03:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Those exist. They're called "psychedelics"




wrong, psychedelics never forced me to believe in anything. I've encountered amoeboid gods and yet I still have no belief in their reality


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23668487 - 09/22/16 03:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Those exist. They're called "psychedelics"




wrong, psychedelics never forced me to believe in anything. I've encountered amoeboid gods and yet I still have no belief in their reality



But you believe you encountered emoboid gods

Not trying to nit pick but memory is a belief and prone to distortion.  Usually losing details


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23668501 - 09/22/16 03:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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404 said:
Those exist. They're called "psychedelics"




wrong, psychedelics never forced me to believe in anything. I've encountered amoeboid gods and yet I still have no belief in their reality



But you believe you encountered emoboid gods

Not trying to nit pick but memory is a belief and prone to distortion.  Usually losing details




lol I encountered colored rather beautiful hallucinations which in the mind state I identified as amoeboid gods, in the same way I saw skeletons in the clouds. Neither of these were 'real' in the sense of physical manifestations affecting or persisting in consensus reality or even my own psyche post drug-haze. Therefore it seems most logical to conclude they are not what we tend to consider 'real' for practical purposes. They may be, or a distortion of some real force(s) or entity(ies) but I have too little reason to assert that

I merely say 'amoeboid god' for convenience of description, as it gives a fair approximation of what I experienced but worth clarifying I suppose


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Ezuma]
    #23668537 - 09/22/16 03:48 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, some don't experience it, some do. I happen to be one of those people that are prone to mystical experiences. So the locus coeruleus has norepinephine circuits in and is connected to parts of the brain that deal with learning and memory, and activations of those receptors may alter blood flow and dopamine release in others. The out of body experience may be changes in the temporoparietal junction, both parts of the default mode network that have serotonin activity depressed, if that information is still current.


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: 404]
    #23668549 - 09/22/16 03:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I think I am prone to the mystical experience, I just don't see it as a direct and literal 'truth' in the traditional sense of the word


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Re: Would you take the God pill? [Re: Ezuma] * 1
    #23668627 - 09/22/16 04:15 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So I've posted this on two other forums and 1 facebook group and I keep getting the same basic response in a variety of forms:

"I believe you're referring to shrooms ."

"smoke DMT, this IS the 'God' pill.."

"Do a thumbprint if you want to meet god"

This just simply isn't true. I've smoked Scarface-sized piles of DMT in combination with 1/4oz of mushrooms and 200ug of LSD and did not meet God. Sorry to rain on the psychedelics-are-the-path-to-enlightenment-for-everyone parade. There is something similar to this pill called the God Helmet which actually exists. It works via stimulating specific areas of the brain in particular patterns with weak electric currents. It reliably produces mystical experiences. If you know how it works, though, you can still be a skeptic. Same goes for DMT. If you understand neurobiology, the experience becomes explainable in ways that don't necessitate the invocation of spirits, gods, elves, or alternate dimensions.


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