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Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin
    #23667927 - 09/22/16 12:26 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/f7453e7f-3363-305b-88ce-6e54cefcd9c8/canada-gives-up-on-addicts.html

Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin

Canada has thrown in the towel in the fight against the heroin epidemic by legalizing heroin. Proponents of this approach point to research showing increased stability in the lives of individuals addicted to heroin and reduced costs to society.

This new policy is a setback to fighting the raging heroin epidemic in North America as it sends out the signal that is somehow okay to be doing heroin, gives them no hope of recovery, and takes away the incentive to try to get off of drugs — sentencing these patients to a life of addiction to a deadly drug. This policy move is sure to accelerate the experimentation with and addiction to opiates in Canada.

The way the program would work in Canada is that doctors apply for a waiver to prescribe prescription grade heroin, and individuals addicted to heroin go to special treatment centers to inject the drug under supervised conditions for free. This is known as “heroin maintenance.”
To give the program its due, it is intended only for a small minority of individuals who have repeatedly failed traditional treatment. There is also research showing the lives of such individuals are more stable with better access to housing and reduced participation in criminal activities. The cost of such treatment is estimated to be lower than the costs of providing substance use related health care (lesser overdoses, lesser infections) and criminal justice costs.

However, it is important to consider the practical limitations of the policy:

Who is considered to be “not treatable” using traditional treatment? Who determines that an individual addicted to heroin is “eligible” for this program? An individual with a heroin addiction not yet considered as “not treatable” has to scour the streets to buy illegal heroin of questionable quality. I am left to wonder whether he or she will be incentivized to seek the “not treatable” label and obtain high quality heroin for free rather than seek traditional treatment and enter recovery.

Oftentimes heroin users mix multiple drugs (opiates + benzodiazepines or opiates + alcohol) to obtain their desired high. What will be next once we have opened this door of heroin prescriptions. Will other drugs and alcohol also be provided free of cost at these centers or will the individual have to “walk” the streets to find them. Mixing opiates with alcohol or benzodiazepines is not recommended, I am concerned because patients need to be drug tested to ensure they are only taking the prescribed heroin.

While proponents of “heroin maintenance” approach focus on relative stability in the lives of individuals addicted to heroin, they ignore the quality of life they will be leading with this program. Despite the availability of treatment options, these individuals will likely remain addicted to heroin and will be getting high on heroin every day. It is unlikely that they will become productive members of society.

In my opinion, the policy will likely sway a large number of ambivalent individuals addicted to heroin to try and get into the legal prescription program rather than take the much harder path to recovery. It will also incentivize greater experimentation with heroin by new users as the “safety” feature built in, may allow them to worry less about the consequences of addiction.

While politicians can claim they have taken a significant step to fight addiction, in reality, it constitutes a setback to the fight against addiction as legalization brings heroin into the mainstream (much like marijuana). Consequently, I fear a further escalation in heroin use in North America if “heroin maintenance” treatment is widely implemented.


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Cognitive_Shift] * 3
    #23668231 - 09/22/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Who the fuck wrote this? I need to hunt them down and give them a fucking frontal lobotomy and a castration.


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23668259 - 09/22/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

They yahoo news people are quacks... So much clickbait on there these days its ridiculous :nonono:


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: musiclover420]
    #23668904 - 09/22/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Is it called yahoo cuz they just let any yahoo write an article? This reads like it was written by a high schooler:

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(lesser overdoses, lesser infections)




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What will be next once we have opened this door of heroin prescriptions.




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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: morrowasted]
    #23668925 - 09/22/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Often times they just re post articles, sometimes even just snippets. Its really ridiculous.

I use yahoo's email and have slowly watched it get worse and worse. Adds and slideshows and blatant click bait, its a crap show :eek:


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: musiclover420]
    #23668931 - 09/22/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah I see now this was reposted from "The Hill" and it was an opinion piece so it was likely a reader submission. But still... no editor??


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
    #23669055 - 09/22/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It's ignorant views like yours that got us where we are today.
This is the right policy if you care about these peoples well being..


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Love_spirit]
    #23669277 - 09/22/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Love_spirit said:
It's ignorant views like yours that got us where we are today.
This is the right policy if you care about these peoples well being..



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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: morrowasted]
    #23669304 - 09/22/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

i was reading up on this, says the prescription heroin is called diacetylmorphine.  How similar is that to heroin?


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Ogla] * 2
    #23669320 - 09/22/16 08:21 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

diacetylmorphine is the scientifc name for heroin


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: morrowasted]
    #23669350 - 09/22/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In related news Canada's heroin tourism soon to skyrocket :lol:


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Ogla]
    #23669437 - 09/22/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was reading up on this, says the prescription heroin is called diacetylmorphine.  How similar is that to heroin?



Diacetylmorphine is heroin.  Heroin is just a name for diacetylmorphine.  If heroin were a prescription medicine, on the bottle it wouldn't say "Heroin" it would read "diactylmorphine."  Or it's generic name Diamorphine.

This is why having "street names" for drugs causes so much confusion and misinformation.  Heroin is morphine with 2 acetyl groups added to the molecule hence diacetyl, making it a 3,6-diacetyl ester of morphine.  All heroin is is a more potent form of morphine with a faster onset of action.


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23669464 - 09/22/16 09:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

"takes away the incentive to try to get off of drugs"

Yeah, no, having to take time out of my day to go down to an authorized clinic and make an appointment is definitely removing the incentive to not get high. Also, I love waiting in line at the DMV.

"The cost of such treatment is estimated to be lower than the costs of providing substance use related health care (lesser overdoses, lesser infections) and criminal justice costs."

This is terrible for everyone! Well, mainly the lawyers and medical professionals that make money off criminal justice and treating heroin-related deaths. All, like, three of them. Total. In the country. You might also see some contradictions brewing...

"he or she will be incentivized to seek the “not treatable” label and obtain high quality heroin for free rather than seek traditional treatment and enter recovery."

Yeah, because it's such a cakewalk finding a reliable, high quality dealer. Also, isn't "traditional treatment" just to lock them up for 20 years?

"they ignore the quality of life they will be leading with this program. "

Yeah, because the quality of life as a homeless (or not, many addicts are very successful adults, just look at some recent Canadian politicians) is *much* worse when you schedule an appointment with a doctor instead of finding a dealer.

" It is unlikely that they will become productive members of society."

Oh, are they currently productive members of society? I didn't realize that a McJob was *that* much worse than drug dealing and theft. I guess a few did get elected...Oh, wait, that was crack cocaine.

"Consequently, I fear a further escalation in heroin use in North America if “heroin maintenance” treatment is widely implemented."

Of course, we've had nonstop unicorns and rainbows by locking people up/killing people over the past 80+ years! Let's put the locksmiths back in business!

Sorry author, but if I was your parent, I wouldn't let you leave the house without a helmet. For your own protection. From yourself. Rant over.


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    #23669477 - 09/22/16 09:13 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Kryptos]
    #23669485 - 09/22/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I thought this article was written by someone who has little to no experience with heroin or heroin users and was ignorant to addiction.  If I was going to write an article on the internet, I better well know what the fuck i'm talking about aside and do the research instead of operating off cultural hearsay and preconceived notions.  I thought that's what you learned in journalism 101, apparently someone was sleeping through class.


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23669515 - 09/22/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What exactly is it about drugs that they are so against? Because it can feel good? are they against anything you can have fun with? Sounds like hes just as against weed as he is heroin. If their only argument about weed is that you wont be a productive member of society than that has been proven false by the countless of out spoken pot users who are successful and still use "drugs". Is it all just a cultural reason as to why they cannot accept it? Why cant people just be free to experience the full potential of their consciousness.


heroins probably not good but we should legalize everything and stop trying to make it illegal because some people who use it have no will power and abuse their health


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    #23677671 - 09/25/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yup legalizing cannabis and prescribing heroin will take a huge bit out of criminal organizations. Imagine heroin users living as long as cannabis users without any negative health effects. No wonder some people don't want it to happen. It won't be long before your freedom of choice of drugs will be equal or greater then your freedom of religion.


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Ogla]
    #23678695 - 09/26/16 04:00 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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i was reading up on this, says the prescription heroin is called diacetylmorphine.  How similar is that to heroin?




Sarcasm?

Actually diacetylmorphine is the result of pure heroin degradation, over the course of many weeks.

When the diesel sits for too long, it Chemically reduces the potency until it's conversion to "diacetylmorphine"

PM darkstar, same thing happens with LSD he'll tell u


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: stzacrack] * 1
    #23681365 - 09/26/16 09:22 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Same thing with AIDS.  You'll get diacetylAIDS using the same procedure.


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Re: Canada gives up on addicts with approval of prescription heroin [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #23689503 - 09/29/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey Canada is following in (correct me if Im wrong) Portugal's foot steps.

Except (again correct me if Im wrong) Portugal also decriminalized all other drugs too.

Its spreading like wild fire!!! lol only much much much slower.



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