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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke] 1
#25489822 - 09/26/18 06:37 AM (5 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great work, everyone!
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#25513833 - 10/05/18 07:32 AM (5 years, 3 months ago) |
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Would a fellow shroom be able to assist me in attempting to eliminate the current scheduling system, first proposing smaller issues but leading too elimination?
It's possible, but it's much more difficult than simply rescheduling a drug.
One big hurdle is international treaties. The US is party to international agreements that effectively require some drugs, including marijuana, to remain within the scheduling system — and possibly schedule 1 or 2.
"Proving that a drug has no potential for abuse is also very difficult, if not impossible. An American Scientist analysis, for instance, found even relatively safe marijuana has some potential for dependence; it's less addictive than heroin, meth, cocaine, nicotine, and alcohol, but more addictive than hallucinogens such as LSD, which doesn't cause much, if any, dependence. And since pot is widely used recreationally, that makes it a sure lock-in for "high potential for abuse."
- Vox.com in 2016
Nothing has changed even then. We need to start here so other social problems can be solved. I know much of this research. Go to my other thread if you'd like
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#26012314 - 05/25/19 08:17 AM (4 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not sure if everyone gets/reads email updates from AKA, but this is important to see:
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A NEW AND REAL THREAT TO EVERY KRATOM CONSUMER THAT COULD UNDERMINE OUR MOMENTUM AND GIVE OUR CRITICS MORE AMMUNITION
Legislative Update: By Mac Haddow, Senior Fellow on Public Policy
I am writing today to warn every kratom advocate about a serious threat to the momentum we have built over the past several months that has led to overwhelming support in the passage of the Kratom Consumer Protection Act in Utah, Georgia, and Arizona – and we expect several other states will approve this important legislation in the next several weeks.
The American Kratom Association (AKA) is the leading kratom consumer advocacy group in America, and you can be assured that the only agenda we have is to protect and preserve your freedom to use pure and natural kratom for your health and well-being. When you sign up to support the AKA, your name and contact information is not sold or given to any commercial kratom vendor, and every dollar that is raised is invested in the science and advocacy work the AKA uses to promote our core message.
A new group has emerged that calls themselves the Kratom Information & Resource Center.
In my opinion, the better name you can give to this new group is TROUBLE!
I personally am a strong believer in free speech, and I normally would welcome any positive input from supporters in the kratom community. But I have to draw the line when the purpose for the creation of this new group, and the strategy they are using, threatens not only the work we have done up until now but also makes our advocacy efforts going forward infinitely more difficult.
This new group wants kratom advocates to sign a petition that will be sent to leading news organizations to decry the unfair coverage on kratom. This new group wants to poke the beast in the eye despite the fact the media can bury us with an avalanche of negative news stories that will make our advocacy work far more difficult, if not impossible.
It looks like the group is more interested in building a mailing list of kratom supporters than in moving the needle on important policy changes that need to be made in the way kratom is regulated at both the federal and state level. It is not clear whether getting people to sign their petition to build a mailing list will be given to a kratom vendor, or just to raise money to pay for their media consultants. No one knows because this new group does not say.
When you sign a petition for the AKA, you can take it to the bank that your name is never handed over or sold to any kratom vendor or to benefit the private business enterprise of any AKA official, and your contact information is only used to communicate with you on advocacy and to ask for donations to help fund the science and advocacy efforts needed to protect the legality of kratom.
I have travelled to nearly 25 states this year to talk with Legislators about kratom, its safety profile, how it is consumed, and how it has changed the lives of those who use it regularly, particularly to manage pain when the only alternatives are highly addictive and potentially deadly opioids. The two most persuasive arguments I have found that resonate with these legislators is that the FDA is trying to expand its regulatory powers, and the news media is unfairly biased to the FDA.
The same is true in most of the federal offices I visit.
Anyone involved in the political world views the media as the enemy, and they understand that the media is biased and unfair in their coverage of kratom. On top of that, the FDA has a taxpayer-funded multi-million-dollar public affairs team that can overwhelm us in press coverage. This new group could not raise enough money to move the needle one bit in the face of that overwhelming obstacle at the FDA.
Worse, if this new group really tries to match dollar-for-dollar the media war, it will not change one public policy, will not enact one new law, and it will only bleed limited resources in the kratom community away from legitimate and proven lobbying efforts where we are making real, measurable progress.
All of us would like to see more positive news stories about kratom. All of us would welcome a fair and balanced approach by the news media.
I personally would have liked an FDA Commissioner who listened to the science and supported consumer freedoms, but I would have a better chance of the Easter Bunny being real.
This new group claims that “most individuals associated with the Kratom Information & Resource Center were involved in the successful 2016 campaign to stop the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s push to schedule kratom as an illegal drug.”
Who exactly are these people?
I was working the halls of the Congress and the Executive Branch on this issue in 2016, and there were very few of us back then who were on the front lines. Those who were involved then have mostly moved on to affiliate with kratom vendors and would not have much credibility as honest advocacy brokers in this effort.
And the new group expresses a commitment to “promoting transparency,” but then promises only to disclose funding sources on an “annual basis.” So, if this is a vendor-funded initiative that would have access to the names of anyone who signs a petition that they could use for sales, you won’t know it until a year from now.
Big PhRMA uses similar tactics by funding shill groups that claim to be consumer or patient advocates, but then the media has a field day exposing them as “Astroturf” (also known as fake) advocacy organizations funded by drug companies.
Those disclosures completely undermine their credibility with Congress, the Executive Branch, and state legislators.
And if this new group just wants your name to then turn around and ask for donations, that limits the money that could be used for effective lobbying and scientific research that delivers a measurable result.
That’s why, in my opinion, you can call this new group “TROUBLE!”
I will give you one last reason to send this new group’s petition appeal straight to your trash folder.
The AKA has built relationships with a core group of highly-credible scientists to be effective advocates, and to fund specific scientific research. This new group lists many of these scientists as though they have some relationship with them and is directing media inquiries to them under the guise of the news media having been grossly unfair in their coverage of kratom. I have spoken with several of these scientists that are listed, and they were not contacted or informed their names would be listed on this new group’s website.
That is both unfair to those scientists and adds another layer of trouble for future efforts when those scientists are needed to protect consumer access to kratom.
I urge every kratom advocate to ignore any plea from the Kratom Information & Resource Center until you are told more about who is really behind the group, who really is benefitting, and why they are embarking on the strategy that will undermine legitimate advocacy activities with policy makers.
Thanks for all of your support for our success in passing the Kratom Consumer Protection Act and our ongoing efforts in more states in the coming months.
With my deepest respect,
Mac Haddow
https://americankratom.salsalabs.org/advocacyalert_updated?wvpId=24d373ea-551e-4716-8104-233309afc0e1
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#26024195 - 05/31/19 02:39 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks for the info!
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Fractal420] 1
#26063452 - 06/20/19 10:46 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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Of course, this is a grassroots movement and we need everyone's input!
**update** As most of you know, the Kratom industry desperately needs regulation- to keep both users safe and guard our rights to use Kratom.
The latest is that there is a change in leadership within the FDA that would be responsible for such.
Please sign this petition to ensure the right person is elected- super important and takes 60 seconds!
https://americankratom.salsalabs.org/updatedpetitiontotrump/index.html?eType=EmailBlastContent&eId=355b26bd-cbff-48c9-b2a1-1feb162d8095
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Please sign and share the Petition today requesting that President Donald J. Trump appoint a new FDA Commissioner who will commit to protect the public from dangerously adulterated kratom products, and who will follow the true science that has shown that pure kratom is being safely used by millions of American consumers.
Tell President Trump that the next FDA Commissioner should lift the unfair, unjustified, and overly burdensome regulation on imports of kratom that is restricting the freedom of consumers and is allowing bad actors to flood the market with unsafe and dangerous adulterated kratom products.
And share with President Trump your own experience on how kratom has helped you personally in maintaining your health and well-being.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#26074814 - 06/26/19 10:23 AM (4 years, 7 months ago) |
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I figured I would post this here incase any of you are not on the list just so you’re aware of what is going on...
American Kratom Association email that just went out. ———————
My name is C.M. “Mac” Haddow, and I have been fighting every day to protect and preserve your right to purchase safe and unadulterated kratom in the United States.
There is no doubt that the Trump Administration's FDA has become the biggest enemy of kratom, and even with Scott Gottlieb now gone the War on Kratom is actually expanding.
Incredibly, the Trump FDA has convinced the Minister of Health in Indonesia to impose a ban on growing and exporting kratom -- and an order has been issued to have all growers stop growing and harvesting kratom plants.
Those growers have just 5 years to come into compliance, and then a total ban is in effect.
The kratom farmers will have to start transitioning right away to protect their livelihood and that means big trouble for kratom consumers in the United States.
The bottom line is kratom exporters have also been warned they should stop exporting kratom.
The AKA asked me to assemble a Delegation to go to Indonesia to talk with government officials, and we did.
Former Congressman Matt Salmon, Utah State Senator Curt Bramble, and Dr. Jack Henningfield joined me in an official Delegation to meet with Indonesian officials last month.
When we met with the Ministry of Health officials, our worst fears were confirmed.
The Trump FDA’s lies about kratom had convinced the Ministry of Health that kratom was a dangerous drug and had to be banned in Indonesia. They used the same outdated, deeply flawed, and outright deceptive so-called “science” claiming kratom is an opioid, it is as addictive as classic opioids, and it is killing people.
Indonesia currently produces more than 95% of the kratom that comes to the United States.
If this ban is allowed to go into effect, it will effectively end consumer access to kratom in the United States, and the FDA won’t have to do anything more to declare victory in the War on Kratom.
Even if some black-market kratom gets into the United States after the Indonesian ban goes into effect, it will be so expensive that only the uber-rich will be able to afford it. And it will likely be extremely dangerous to consume because there will be no standards on growing, harvesting, and shipping.
Dave Herman, Chairman of the AKA, has asked me and others in the Delegation to go back to Indonesia and lobby the top-levels of government officials there that the Trump FDA is wrong, and how the Indonesian Ministry of Health has been badly deceived by them.
I am writing today to ask you to make as generous a donation as you can to the “Kratom Protection Fund.”
These trips to Indonesia are incredibly expensive.
It looks like going to Indonesia is now likely the most important action we can take to fight back against the FDA's ongoing war on kratom – a war they have now extended to Indonesia.
We can stop this ban in its tracks – just like we did when the FDA tried to convince the DEA to ban kratom in 2016.
But the AKA desperately needs your help today.
We have requested meetings with top Indonesian officials for the 3rd week in July.
That means we need your commitment today to guarantee the funds are available for the Delegation to travel there.
The trip is brutally long – with flights taking nearly 40 hours each way. And the cost of sending members of the Delegation is very, very expensive.
But if we don’t take the fight there right away, kratom fields will be converted to other crops, and access to kratom will end.
Please make the most generous commitment you can – and please do it today!
CLICK HERE TO DONATE $25, $50, $100 OR MORE.
I have sat across the table from some of the Indonesian officials we have to convince to keep kratom legal, and we are making headway in exposing the lies of the Trump FDA.
But we must expand the list of government officials we meet with to fight against the Minister of Health’s current ban.
If we don’t do this now, we will have lost the War on Kratom, and the Trump FDA will win by stopping kratom being grown in Indonesia.
Please help.
Please click the donation box below or the link above to make as generous a contribution as you can afford.
In reality, if we fail to act now – as in right now – kratom will no longer be available to consumers who desperately need it.
Your support and loyalty has brought us to this point where we are winning battle after battle in the United States in protecting your freedom to make your own decisions on your health and well-being.
That’s why the Trump FDA has taken the battle to where kratom is grown.
We cannot let them win.
Join this fight today!
Please contribute to the “Kratom Protection Fund.”
Sincerely,
C. M. “Mac” Haddow Senior Fellow on Public Policy American Kratom Association
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Amanita86]
#26274930 - 10/24/19 09:41 PM (4 years, 3 months ago) |
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So has anyone noticed any suppliers reacting to this upcoming ban in Indonesia? Not sure how long it will be before certain major supply sources will be cut off and I imagine companies here will want to possibly work on an exit strategy for themselves. Sad
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