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Invisiblemoonrockmushy
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23687038 - 09/28/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ok well I guess I mean heroin is considered a semi-synthetic opioid.  It is synthesized, but from a chemical found in the opium poppy.  That is really the distinction.  Fentanyl is synthesized from a type of amino acid I think, therefore it is considered a "full" synthetic opioid.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wrath]
    #23687041 - 09/28/16 02:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Wrath said:
My girlfriend was correct; Kratom ban has been postponed. No idea how long it's being pushed back, but I think she said a month (don't quote me on it). Her shop's lawyer told her they would give ppl/vendors/stores a 48 hour notice as to when it takes affect to clear their stores...




I would really like some verification on this.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23687092 - 09/28/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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NumeroEno said:
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Wrath said:
My girlfriend was correct; Kratom ban has been postponed. No idea how long it's being pushed back, but I think she said a month (don't quote me on it). Her shop's lawyer told her they would give ppl/vendors/stores a 48 hour notice as to when it takes affect to clear their stores...




I would really like some verification on this.



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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23687213 - 09/28/16 03:32 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Ok well I guess I mean heroin is considered a semi-synthetic opioid.  It is synthesized, but from a chemical found in the opium poppy.  That is really the distinction.  Fentanyl is synthesized from a type of amino acid I think, therefore it is considered a "full" synthetic opioid.



The problem i have is that i think that it is a much more sterdy definition if we just call compounds that dont occur in nature to be synthetic.

For example would 2C phenehtylamine be considered semi synthetic because theirstructure resembles mescaline's structure or no? Only TMA, escaline, allylescaline, ect are semi synthetic because 2Cs have too many differences in structure. Then who draws the line? There are no solid boundries like if you just called any compound that hasnt been discovered in nature synthetic. Thats just my 2 cents.

Btw amino acids are naturally occuring. All living things are made from them.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (09/28/16 03:33 PM)


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23687228 - 09/28/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

It is pretty arbitrary.  It's not like morphine is going to be different weather synthesized in a lab or through the processes in the poppy.  The same can be said of the word "natural".  There is really not a line between natural and man-made or non-natural things.  It's all how you understand it.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23687459 - 09/28/16 04:28 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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URGENT!!! SENATOR HATCH DEAR COLLEAGUE LETTER!!!

Senator Hatch is one of the longest serving senators and is probably the most well-known leader on dietary supplement issues in the country! We do have a draft copy we can't share until it's finalized tomorrow morning.

This is IT!!! We likely only have TWO days to get signees, but so many have already shown interest thanks to all who have made calls and sent e-mails already!

Call, tell them your age and occupation, that you are a responsible consumer of the botanical kratom because it has *helped you by ______ and ask that they sign the Hatch Dear Colleague letter asking the DEA to delay the proposed scheduling of Kratom "to allow for both a public comment period and sufficient time for the DEA to outline it's evidentiary standards to the Congress on the justification of this proposed action."

In the morning he may have an original co-signer making it a bipartisan effort, so it may become the Hatch (R) and ________ (D) letter) .

Call 202-224-3121 and press option #1 for Senate. Find and e-mail your senator here http://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tripp23]
    #23687516 - 09/28/16 04:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Alright, let's get on it!!! :leaving:  :rabble:  :dancing:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23687783 - 09/28/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have seen a few things vaguely suggesting the ban may be faltering ...

I'm starting to feel some hope. If this is defeated it will be a huge, watershed moment and hopefully a tipping point in the whole war on drugs.

Moonrockmushy- not recognizing this as a maneuver by pharmaceutical corporations is odd to me. Who has the motive? The pharmaceutical companies. Who has the means ? The pharmaceutical companies.

Why target Kratom specifically and not any of the infinite number of other legal drugs people are using ?

Because Kratom is the one that helps people quit pharmaceutical opiates.

If thousands of addicts quit pills because of Kratom, that's millions of dollars out of their profits.

They have the money and the connections. They saw Kratom as a thorn in their paw and pulled the strings to crush it.

They are building a nationwide empire based on opiate addiction and Kratom is both a threat and a competitor to their chemical control of people and the money they syphon off them.

It seems oddly naieve not to recognize this, because the motive could not be more obvious.

There is no plausible alternative explanation.

There has been no social or health problems caused by Kratom that would lead to this ban.

Kratom is a threat to no one and nothing - except the pharmaceutical lobby that profits from opiate pills.

If there is only one person at the crime scene with both the motive and the means, it doesn't take a genius detective to identify the guilty party .


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23687816 - 09/28/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I also feel vague hope for the first time amongst all of this..

Perhaps a thorn in their paw, but I bet that they didn't expect backlash.  We bite back.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23687946 - 09/28/16 06:50 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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If thousands of addicts quit pills because of Kratom, that's millions of dollars out of their profits.




:mel: actually a pretty good point.  Just strikes me as a bunch of rhetorical questions followed by an accusation, which doesn't fully convince me that is what is going on.  I'll say it is a possibility, but it's very speculative.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy] * 2
    #23687994 - 09/28/16 07:05 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

The vast majority of opioid based drugs are generic, so the profit margin is quite small.  Moreover, MANY more pharmaceutical drugs are routinely scheduled.  The scheduling of a new drug during its exclusivity periods costs much, MUCH more than scheduling kratom.

In fact, the more recent change has been upscheduling of combination opioids from schedule 3 to schedule 2.  This affected numerous manufacturers, including ALL of the generic manufacturers. It hurt their profits vastly more than this.

If you'd like to "understand the kratom scheduling" its best to begin with understanding the scheduling process. This is relatively routine, and the norm in the process.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23688003 - 09/28/16 07:07 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Chuck Rosenberg, the acting DEA director, is deep in the pockets of the pharmaceutical industry.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno]
    #23688047 - 09/28/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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NumeroEno said:
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Wrath said:
My girlfriend was correct; Kratom ban has been postponed. No idea how long it's being pushed back, but I think she said a month (don't quote me on it). Her shop's lawyer told her they would give ppl/vendors/stores a 48 hour notice as to when it takes affect to clear their stores...




I would really like some verification on this.



How did this go so unnoticed? Sources? Please, what makes you say this?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
    #23688533 - 09/28/16 09:30 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Wow badchad.  Are you actually defending big pharma?  Its such a shame that they have such a small profit margin from ruining peoples lives.
Who care how scheduling works, banning kratom is still wrong


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23688807 - 09/28/16 10:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I'm going on what she told me. I'm gonna wake her from her slumber and get the facts. Hopefully she wasn't fucking with me :frown: Mis-information would be horrible on my part :frown:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wrath]
    #23688866 - 09/28/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Ummmm yeaaaa, her lawyers are idiots. We're still fucked on the 30th. My apologies


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wrath]
    #23688974 - 09/28/16 11:50 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There has never been a reversal on a purposed emergency ban by the DEA I believe.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wrath]
    #23689350 - 09/29/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Ummmm yeaaaa, her lawyers are idiots. We're still fucked on the 30th. My apologies



I looked on reddit amd there was an announcement from AKA that seemed to confirm what you said though? :confused:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #23689478 - 09/29/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

This is an email I recieved from a vendor:
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---------- has Reopened our Store for Kratom Sales
Dear valued customer,

We have received news from the American Kratom Association lawyers that the DEA has announced that they have no intention of submitting a final jusdement on October 1st. Howver they still will retain the right to do so with at least a 48 hours notice period. While this is a small win, it does allow vendors to operate within the  US and more importantly provide us with  enough time to comply with the law in the event the DEA decides to enact the final order. This is great news and shows that the hard work of the community is paying off.  More information to follow.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NDStepp84]
    #23689581 - 09/29/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

So um... What exactly does that mean?


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