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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] * 2
    #23676233 - 09/25/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I am always surprised by how many people tell me they didn't realize that pregabalin, gabapentin, phenibut, baclofen, benzos etc would have such bad withdrawal .

It's pretty simple- if it acts on GABA, it has had withdrawal and should never be used daily if you don't want addiction and horrible withdrawal .

If everyone knew that simple rule a lot of unpleasant surprises could be avoided .

Doctors never give accurate or honest warnings about withdrawal and dependence so people absolutely need to educate themselves and do their research.

Many doctors will lie right to your face and tell you that highly addictive drugs are not addictive .

Scumbags as far as I'm concerned .

My doctor literally told me to take clonazepam twice a day every day and don't worry it's not addictive .

Fortunately I knew better but so many people trust their doctors and end up as victims and statistics.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] * 1
    #23676787 - 09/25/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pregabalin does not "rot the brain" literally.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23676856 - 09/25/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

You feed the monster that's banning kratom when you get a script for a second rate drug like pregybalabalin


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Love_spirit] * 1
    #23677159 - 09/25/16 03:54 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

In Canada pregabalin is available without a prescription over clear net


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Love_spirit] * 2
    #23677277 - 09/25/16 04:34 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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You feed the monster that's banning kratom when you get a script for a second rate drug like pregybalabalin




You won't speak out against the government banning kratom, and have been encouraging people not to all month long, but you'll speak out against Moonshoe for using a prescription drug?  :ohnowaitokay:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23677634 - 09/25/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

What about people like me that were barely a teenager when put on Lyrica.  Obviously no one was looking out for me, which is the sole reason I warn about it on public forum. 

Furthermore, sometimes one doesn't have much option due to fibro, seizure disorder, neuropathy, etc. 

There are children that frequent this board, also fools.  Given the addiction it entails, its worth brief forewarning if idealistically touting as allowing effortless withdrawal. 

And Dust bunny, I assure you that it wasn't intent to imply that Lyrica rots the brain, literally.  It is well documented that pregabalin causes cognitive impairment/decline in many individuals.  :shrug:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23677656 - 09/25/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's pretty simple- if it acts on GABA, it has had withdrawal and should never be used daily if you don't want addiction and horrible withdrawal .




GABA antagonists like fasoracetam probably dont have much if any withdrawal and in fact can theoretically be used to reverse tolerance to GABA agonists


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] * 1
    #23677737 - 09/25/16 07:33 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I'm well aware of the cognitive impairment it causes that makes it an unsuitable medication for many people; They don't call the similar gabapentin (brand name Neurontin) "Morontin" for nothing. I commented because people still post things like "MDMA burns holes in your brain", "LSD stays in your spine forever" etc. every once in a while.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: morrowasted] * 1
    #23678136 - 09/25/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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It's pretty simple- if it acts on GABA, it has had withdrawal and should never be used daily if you don't want addiction and horrible withdrawal .




GABA antagonists like fasoracetam probably dont have much if any withdrawal and in fact can theoretically be used to reverse tolerance to GABA agonists




Right, I meant things that release/increase gaba, not antagonists.

I cant remember the name but there is a "narcan" for benzos that can apparently be used to treat benzo addiction, but I can only imagine how brutal that process must be.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23678214 - 09/25/16 10:10 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Flumazenil is what I found through a google search. Looks like nasty stuff.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23678259 - 09/25/16 10:23 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

GABA antagonists eventually cause seizures and death, same reason as why withdrawal from the opposite can.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: DustBunny] * 1
    #23678431 - 09/25/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

So what's everyone gonna use to get off Kratom?  It's a never-ending cycle of addiction.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #23679216 - 09/26/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

As I have said a million times, pregabalin for the first Three days and then you are
Painlessly off and not dependent to anything

If you need another daily mood lift look into SAMe

So if I had to quit I would take pregabalin for 3 days then switch to SAMe

With these two meds there will be no WD and you will feel great going forward from the SAMe IME


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #23679398 - 09/26/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

I have never had any debilitating withdrawals from stopping kratom. Honestly caffeine withdrawals are worse IMO.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno] * 1
    #23679408 - 09/26/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Jesus, at this rate in 20 years time almost every plant in the world will be an illegal schedule 1 classed drug.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Noumenon] * 1
    #23679424 - 09/26/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Pot's on the verge of being legalized and kratom is about to be banned. One step forward and one step back. 0 net progress :thumbdown:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno] * 1
    #23679500 - 09/26/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Not really the DEA is the one that legalizes or bans drugs. Alot of the people in government recently pushed for pot to be legalized and the DEA told them to sod off. While begrudgingly admitting they're "now certain" weed is less harmful than heroin. They have a bone in their teeth and they're not giving it up until almost every state allows legalization and even then it will only be because they would be undermining their own authority.

We may avoid the temporary ban on kratom, maybe, but they're likely going to push it on through sooner or later.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23679612 - 09/26/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NumeroEno] * 1
    #23679872 - 09/26/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Neither did  I for years. They aren't debilitating but moderately unpleasant and inconvenient .

You will get them too eventually. If you haven't taken a 3 day break or longer recently there is a good chance you already would get them if you cold turkey quit now.

If you don't yet it's just a matter of time.

If you are a daily kratom user for more than 2 years you will get RLS and insomnia when you abruptly quit.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 2
    #23679903 - 09/26/16 01:31 PM (7 years, 4 months ago)

Well that sounds just like when I've stopped taking suboxone cold turkey, except the RLS and insomnia from sub withdrawals lasts for days, and is accompanied by flu like symptoms. When I start running low, I'm going to gradually taper off. I'll keep a couple ounces in reserve for if the symptoms ever get too bad. Whenever I start running low on something I've been taking for a while I start tapering down my dose so it's not as much of a shock to my system.


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