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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 3
#24412586 - 06/17/17 12:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't taint this thread with quotes from George Cunt Bush.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24413004 - 06/17/17 04:35 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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This quote ties up my post. It is displayed to remind all of the drive of our enemy.
Context.. i am sorry that you missed the irony..
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This isn't going away, folks. Keep in mind, we have a well connected/funded enemy here- counting on us to grow tired of the fight.
Please do what is in your means to keep our medicine accessable... ..Compared to rolling belly up and losing kratom forever, this isn't something we can treat casually.
If not for yourself, then for those who rely on Kratom being available. If not for others, do it for you.. it's only a matter of time before one of your freedoms cherished is malicously attacked.
"I will not forget the wound to our country and those who inflicted it. I will not yield. I will not rest." - George W. Bush
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24426196 - 06/22/17 09:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: no source discussion but mine have been 110 including shipping recently
ive got you on 85$
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Kenetic said: Kratom.....definitely quit doing shit for me. I've come a long way since the beginning of this thread... I don't know how you guys do it for years. The only thing I get now is a shitty day if I don't dose. Well, it was fun while it lasted.....
Wow... It's funny you say that, because right around the time they decided to ban kratom, I decided to stop using it, because I thought it was going away. I couldn't even get off my ass to do anything without the shit. It took a while for me to be able to do what I had to do without my kratom crutch.
However, I will say, when I was using kratom regularly, I could take a dose, and it was like instant motivation and energy. It worked every time. It didn't get me high, or anything like that. Not at the doses I was taking.
I guess it's similar to when a heavy coffee drinker quites using caffeine. Kratom worked a lot better than coffee for me, though. I probably took 1/4-1/2 tsp per dose, and I never built a tolerance to the point where I had to up the dose. I like small doses of kratom. Just enough to give me a bit more oomph, without making me spazzy or something. A bit of red and a bit of white.
Nowadays, I take it on a random occasion, and it gets me right up and going, to this day.
hahaha thats funny this is me totally. ive been on it for 1.5-2 years. honestly increasing the dose doesn't even do anything, it just gives me the sedative effects, nodding
but jesus taking a few days off...and bam no tolerance. ya those few days suck... skins cold and hurts, runny nose. not like dope tho(<----assumption)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: SpicyWizard]
#24429546 - 06/23/17 03:35 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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AKA update:
AKA Supporter and Kratom Warrior:
We don’t know each other yet, but my name is Dave Herman, and I was recently elected as the new Chairman of the American Kratom Association.
I am excited to take on this challenge, and to join you and tens of thousands of other “Kratom Warriors” across America in our shared battle to preserve and protect our freedom to use kratom as a part of our personal plan for our health and well-being.
I know your time is valuable, so I am going to cut to the chase.
The SITSA Act sponsored by Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Senator Diane Feinstein (D-CA) – and the companion bill filed in the U.S. House by Representative John Katco (R-NY) -- is a real threat to kratom.
I am not asking for any money today, but I do need your help in getting more signatures on the petition that we want to give to the U.S. Congress about protecting kratom.
Here is the link to that petition:
https://www.americankratom.org/petition
I know there are some who are claiming this proposed SITSA legislation is not a threat, and those critics claim AKA is just trying to raise money when these bills don’t apply to kratom.
They are wrong!
You do not have to take my word for it. We asked one of the top law firms in Washington DC, Hogan Lovells, to give their independent and unvarnished opinion whether the proposed SITSA Act will allow the Attorney General and the DEA to schedule kratom.
The conclusion: The proposed SITSA Act will absolutely give the authority to the Attorney General and the DEA to schedule kratom.
In fact, Hogan Lovells properly opined that SITSA is an unprecedented expansion of the law enforcement and scheduling powers of both the Attorney General and the DEA.
You can click on the following link and read the Hogan Lovells’ analysis of SITSA for yourself:
https://www.americankratom.org/sitsamemo
I will not apologize for the AKA's past requests for donations.
Your donations were the only way that we were able to stop the DEA with their emergency scheduling order to ban kratom back in August.
Your donations allowed us to fund the 8-Factor Analysis on kratom by one of the best independent analysts on addiction and safety for botanicals, Dr. Jack Henningfield.
That 8-Factor Analysis now has the FDA back on their heels in trying to justify their attempts to schedule kratom as a controlled substance under what is called “regular rulemaking.”
Your donations were key in helping defeat state legislative bans on kratom in Florida, Utah and West Virginia, along with potential bans in other states. The Oregon bill to require a study on the safety of kratom is bottled up because we provided the 8-Factor Analysis.
And I learned late last night that the New York Assembly closed its legislative session without acting on the bill to ban kratom, so it is now dead too.
We have built a powerful team of lawyers, lobbyists, social media experts, and scientists who are working every day to protect kratom.
That team is now aggressively working with the DEA, the National Institutes for Drug Abuse at HHS, and the FDA. Every day we are making progress.
But I have to admit that it is frustrating to read comments by people who criticize AKA without bothering to find out the facts.
None of our successes could have happened without your generous financial support, and I will be glad to have that discussion with any critic who wants to claim that our efforts have not been successful.
The AKA asked for your help last week by signing a petition on SITSA that will authorize an unprecedented expansion of the powers of the Attorney General and DEA for scheduling of so-called “analogues” of controlled substances, and you responded.
We are nearing 12,000 signatures, but we need more – as many as we can get.
Could I ask you to find family members and friends to sign the petition?
Every adult should sign the petition separately.
Use your social media and email accounts and ask everyone to help us protect our freedom to use kratom.
It is important to convey a powerful message to members of Congress – and the sponsors of SITSA -- that the kratom community is active in its mission to protect the freedoms consumers have to make decisions about their own health and well-being.
Again, here is the link to that petition:
https://www.americankratom.org/petition
Before I let you go, let me say how grateful I am for your support of AKA.
And you have my personal pledge that I will work tirelessly to protect our freedom to make our own decisions on our health and well-being without the interference of government bureaucrats in Washington D.C.
Sincerely, Dave Herman Chairman of the Board American Kratom Association #iamkratom
To DONATE, please click on the following link: www.americankratom.org/donate
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24434954 - 06/25/17 05:08 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wtf! How am I just hearing about this!? Why can't they just give it a damn rest already and leave kratom and us the fuck alone!?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious] 2
#24434973 - 06/25/17 05:17 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because they are evil scum in league with the forces of darkness.
Awareness of the reality of human evil is an essential step in awakening to reality.
Good men must first become aware of evil and then become strong.
We simply have to win the fight.
Some day there will be justice. History will remember drug warriors like they remember Nazis. On the wrong side of history.
A shame most will die of old age before they are forced to account for their crimes.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
#24435039 - 06/25/17 05:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Everything you said is spot on....but eventually this is going to happen. They lost the last battle, but will win the war. Them changing the wording in the bill to anologs instead of attacking kratom directly is pure genious on their part. The bill will get passed, but nobody will even think about kratom when voting it in. No non-kratom user stops to think about kratom when a term "opioid anolog" is thrown around. They think of pharmaceuticals, research chemicals, etc.
I hope it doesn't pass, but it is a better approach on their part this time around.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious] 2
#24435065 - 06/25/17 05:52 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am not so pessimistic. They will be cast into the outer darkness with A great wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Future generations will plant kratom on their graves.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#24435112 - 06/25/17 06:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: I am not so pessimistic. They will be cast into the outer darkness with A great wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Future generations will plant kratom on their graves.
We should start making soylent green fertilizer mith corrupt politicians 
Maybe the fear of being fed to plants would scare some of them straight.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 2
#24475681 - 07/11/17 03:29 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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AKA Update: Seems congress wants to push the bill real fast before the session ends.
Kratom Supporters: Your help is needed immediately!
I apologize for the short notice, but we have learned that the U.S. House of Representatives Judiciary Committee plans to “markup” the SITSA Act tomorrow. Many of the amendments proposed by the American Kratom Association (AKA) are being considered by members of the Committee, but we have just learned that the Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, wants the SITSA Act pushed through the House before the upcoming August recess to show action in the fight against the opioid epidemic - so there will be little time for consideration of any amendments in this accelerated scheduling. If you live in the congressional districts of any of the members of the House Judiciary Committee listed below, I would ask you to please pick up the phone and call them and ask them to support the American Kratom Association amendments to SITSA. We need those members of Congress to hear from you. Our voice is being heard!
Our lobbying team has heard many favorable reports about the recommended amendments we offered, but in the name of political expediency, the House leadership wants the SITSA Act to be sent to the US Senate before the August recess.
Our allies in the Senate are ready to help, but we need to send a clear message to the House that the SITSA Act is too broad and gives too much power to the Attorney General, without any scientific check on scheduling of substances that are proven to be safe and not dangerously addictive. So please, if you live in the congressional district of one of these members, make the call immediately. Congressman District Phone Number Trey Gowdy South Carolina 4th 202-225-6030 Louie B. Gohmert, Jr. Texas 1st 202-225-3035 Jim Sensenbrenner, Jr. Wisconsin 5th 202-225-5101 Steve Chabot Ohio 1st 202-225-2216 Ted Poe Texas 2nd 202-225-6565 John Ratcliffe Texas 4th 202-225-6673 Martha Roby Alabama 2nd 202-225-2901 Mike Johnson Louisiana 4th 202-225-2777 Bob Goodlatte Virginia 6th 202-225-5431 Lamar Smith Texas 21st 202-225-4236 Darrell Issa California 49th 202-225-3906 Steve King Iowa 4th 202-225-4426 Trent Franks Arizona 8th 202-225-4576 Jim Jordan Ohio 4th 202-225-2676 Tom Marino Pennsylvania 10th 202-225-3731 Raul Labrador Idaho 1st 202-225-6611 Blake Farenthold Texas 27th 202-225-7742 Doug Collins Georgia 9th 202-225-9893 Ron DeSantis Florida 6th 202-225-2706 Ken Buck Colorado 4th 202-225-4676 Matt Gaetz Florida 1st 202-225-4236 Andy Biggs Arizona 5th 202-225-2635 Sheila Jackson Lee Texas 18th 202-225-3816 Ted Deutsch Florida 22nd 202-225-3001 Karen Bass California 37th 202-225-7084 Cedric Richmond Louisiana 2nd 202-225-6636 Hakeem Jeffries New York 8th 202-225-5936 Ted Lieu California 33rd 202-225-3976 Jamie Raskin Maryland 8th 202-225-5341 John Conyers, Jr. Michigan 13th 202-225-5126 Jerry Nadler New York 10th 202-225-5635 Zoe Lofgren California 19th 202-225-3072 Steve Cohen Tennessee 9th 202-225-3265 Hank Johnson, Jr. Georgia 4th 202-225-1605 Luis Gutierrez Illinois 4th 202-225-8203 David Cicilline Rhode Island 1st 202-225-4911 Eric Swalwell California 15th 202-225-5065 Pramila Jayapal Washington 7th 202-225-3106 Brad Schneider Illinois 10th 202-225-4835 We appreciate your support to keep kratom legal, and to protect and preserve the freedom of consumers to make their own choices for their health and well-bing. Sincerely, Dave Herman Chairman of the Board American Kratom Association #iamkratom
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] 1
#24480801 - 07/13/17 04:48 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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AKA update:
Dear Fellow Kratom Supporter:
I am writing to give you an update on the status of the SITSA Act and the legislative "markup" that was held by the U.S. House Judiciary Committee on July 12. Frankly, while we made substantial progress with some of the key members of this Committee, we have yet to secure approval of amendments that are desperately needed to protect the rights of consumers to make their own choices about their personal health and well-being.
I know that there are some in our community who personally believe that the SITSA Act will not apply to kratom, and that the Attorney General will never abuse the authority granted in this legislation to attempt to schedule kratom, and therefore remove it from the market.
Respectfully, I strongly disagree with this point of view - here is why:
• There is no disagreement that the SITSA Act grants broad new authority to the Attorney General and the DEA to make decisions about products that the government wants to ban by placing them on this newly created “Schedule A.” • In my discussions with our champions in the Congress, the experts on our legal team who have a broad background in FDA and DEA scheduling issues on substances and compounds, and Dr. Jack Henningfield, who is the pre-eminent leader in the field of addiction and safety for dietary supplements; all are in unanimous agreement that the language in the SITSA Act is too broad, grants too much authority to the Attorney General and DEA, and gives far too much discretion to regulators to "overreach" and use this new statute as the basis for potential banning kratom from consumers. • At the heart of the issue is the definitions of what a "synthetic analog" are. The title of the SITSA Act specifically states it as the "Stop the Importation and Trafficking of Synthetic Analogues Act of 2017, or the SITSA Act." But then the bill purpose clearly says the Act is intended to "clarify how controlled substance analogues are to be regulated." It is not limited to “synthetics” at all. It is a trick regularly used in Washington DC to use hyped-up bill titles, that have no effect of law, to mislead people about what the true intent and actual effect of the language of the bill will be in their lives. • If we fail to challenge this broad language, and to actively advocate for amendments to limit the application of this legislation to botanical plants, including kratom, we would be guilty of advocacy malpractice. • The American Kratom Association is unwilling to put the freedoms of our supporters at risk in the hope that the Attorney General, the DEA, and other local law enforcement officials will act responsibly.
Allow me to be clear - the AKA Board does not object to the right of any advocate to disagree with what I have just outlined as the reasons why the AKA is aggressively attempting to persuade the Congress to enact limiting amendments to this overly broad legislation.
However, I admit to being deeply disappointed when I learned that a newly-formed kratom advocacy group sent a letter to House Judiciary Chairman Goodlatte and conveyed the support of the kratom community for the SITSA Act. By doing so, their letter materially misled the Committee about the substantial concerns that are held by tens of thousands of kratom supporters and AKA advocates who do not agree with their point of view.
While it may not have been intended, this letter created confusion among members of the Judiciary Committee and their staffs, and served to convey the misimpression that the kratom community as a whole were supportive of the SITSA Act as it is presently written.
Not agreeing with AKA’s concerns about the overreach that is possible under the broad language of the current version of the SITSA Act is fine, but that does not require a communication that seeks to undermine the legitimate concerns of so many thousands of kratom supporters with this legislation.
I would point to the fact that we have now collected over 18,000 petition signatures asking for Congress to amend the SITSA Act. Our legitimate concerns with the threat to access to kratom under this legislation have been documented with our legal team and our scientific experts.
Please allow me to conclude with my own opinion, which I hope those who disagree with me will respect as a right for me to do so. Some in the kratom community are stating that the SITSA Act will have no impact given the outcome of a recent court case in Tennessee where a kratom seller had the case against him "retired" based on the facts and circumstances of this case, including questions by the prosecuting attorney about whether the construct of the state statute with regards to the chemical properties of kratom were covered.
Simply put, the AKA does not want any kratom seller, or kratom consumer, to have to defend against an overly broad statute after they have been arrested, booked, and scheduled for trial. We do not want to rely upon a reasonable prosecuting attorney to examine the statutory framework and then make a decision that the case may not be prosecutable because of the loose legislative language, or some nuanced definition of what a “synthetic analogue” actually is.
The AKA’s goal is to have legislation that clearly and unambiguously restricts any police officer, any prosecutor, or any judge from arresting and convicting anyone in America of kratom sales or consumption.
The AKA will now focus its efforts in the House Energy and Commerce Committee, that has joint jurisdiction on the SITSA Act with the House Judiciary Committee in the U.S. House of Representatives, and ask our champions there to amend this bill to limit the discretionary authority of the Attorney General and the DEA that poses a real threat to consumer access to kratom.
Following that Hearing, we will take our fight to the U.S. Senate where we know our voices will be heard. We hope all will join us, or agree to respectfully disagree without harming those who have slightly differing views, but who share a greater goal.
For those who have not yet done so, or for those who have not encouraged everyone in your circle of family and friends to sign our petition, here is the link to join our fight to protect our personal freedom to use kratom for our personal health and well-being.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/AKASITSA
Our voices matter. When the DEA tried to schedule kratom and ban it, we all fought and we won.
It was a battle that no one in Washington DC believed we could win, but we did.
With a unified voice, we stood toe-to-toe with the powerful Washington bureaucrats, and the people prevailed.
I am confident we will be able to do the same thing here. Thank you for your support, and for all that you do to protect kratom.
Respectfully,
Dave Herman Chairman of the Board American Kratom Association #iamkratom
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
#24484926 - 07/15/17 11:30 AM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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just_curious said: Wtf! How am I just hearing about this!? Why can't they just give it a damn rest already and leave kratom and us the fuck alone!?
They tried to ban creatine cuz they didn't know what it was, and it makes people's muscles bigger. Creatine! That's like banning protein. I'm really getting sick and tired of people who know nothing about a substance running around banning them. alpha-PVP shoulda been banned years ago. The shit is more potent than meth. Yet here they are chasing down things like kratom and creatine. Cunts.
By the way, when I say 'should have been banned', I don't really mean should have been banned. I don't believe anything should be banned, but I believe chemicals used to make bombs should be watched, and things of that nature.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24487492 - 07/16/17 01:50 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I don't think they ever got around to scheduling it. I know for certain there are multiple little asian shops that you can buy it from in walking distance. At a huge mark up. Shit I could buy an ounce online for what you're charging me 
And the porn shop. I did go in there as a novelty to see what they're selling. No thanks I can buy lube at walmart.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
#24487522 - 07/16/17 02:11 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I don't think they ever got around to scheduling it. I know for certain there are multiple little asian shops that you can buy it from in walking distance. At a huge mark up. Shit I could buy an ounce online for what you're charging me 
And the porn shop. I did go in there as a novelty to see what they're selling. No thanks I can buy lube at walmart. 
alpha-PVP is no longer available, unless you look to the darknet, which I will probably be doing eventually. I really enjoy the stuff. I started a thread on here about making it... don't know if I'll ever get around to trying though.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
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I've bought kratom a couple times. I found myself choking it down. It's so hard to ingest the amount to give a semi decent high. Which is about 7 grams.
I dunno much about the drug you're talking about.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
#24487616 - 07/16/17 03:03 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I've bought kratom a couple times. I found myself choking it down. It's so hard to ingest the amount to give a semi decent high. Which is about 7 grams.
I dunno much about the drug you're talking about.
How many kinds have you tried?
A nice green/ white blend has me feeling great at 1-2g but I also have no prior opiate tolerance
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enjoywho]
#24487868 - 07/16/17 04:34 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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I hope sitsa doesn't pass, not only do I use about 6.5 grams of kratom 3 times a day but there's many valuable chemicals that could would/could be banned and gives the DEA way too much power. I wonder if my phenibut is on the chopping block since it's similar to ghb.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: fractalgod] 2
#24490196 - 07/17/17 07:51 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well as of today the Senate does not have the votes to pass the health care bill which is good for kratom it will probably remain legal for some time more.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
#24494280 - 07/19/17 02:25 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I've bought kratom a couple times. I found myself choking it down. It's so hard to ingest the amount to give a semi decent high. Which is about 7 grams.
I dunno much about the drug you're talking about.
How many kinds have you tried?
A nice green/ white blend has me feeling great at 1-2g but I also have no prior opiate tolerance 
I dunno bali or something. I dunno anything about it 
But 7 grams seemed to get me feeling alright. Heroin is better
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#24494350 - 07/19/17 03:00 PM (6 years, 6 months ago) |
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Enjoywho said: I've bought kratom a couple times. I found myself choking it down. It's so hard to ingest the amount to give a semi decent high. Which is about 7 grams.
I dunno much about the drug you're talking about.
How many kinds have you tried?
A nice green/ white blend has me feeling great at 1-2g but I also have no prior opiate tolerance 
I dunno bali or something. I dunno anything about it 
But 7 grams seemed to get me feeling alright. Heroin is better 
Heroin may be more potent but that doesn't make it better...
I would rather enjoy kratom all my life then try heroin and have my natural opiate tolerance ruined and spend the rest of my life chasing the dragon...
In fact it seems common for people who abuse heroin to not even feel kratom, even after long periods of sobriety. So have fun scrambling your brain with hard drugs
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