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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24403770 - 06/13/17 10:02 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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your fuckin shitting me?
so its about to really be banned?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24403783 - 06/13/17 10:14 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: your fuckin shitting me?
so its about to really be banned?
If that Bill passes it seems likely they will blanket ban kratom as an "opioid analog".
It's extra sad becouse we could use better research chemical legislation to keep sketchy new analogs from hitting the streets but this bill is way to vague. Not only could the ban any psychoactive substance they deem an "analog" but any plants as well.
If it specified only banning synthetics it could actually have a positive impact on new fentanyl and other deadly analogs being made to bypass legal loopholes. Hopefully we can have the bill revised or something.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 1
#24403798 - 06/13/17 10:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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well then guess we are all fucked
does this include seeds?
please say it doesnt
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24403915 - 06/13/17 11:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Connoisseur said: well then guess we are all fucked
does this include seeds?
please say it doesnt
I am not positive on the specifics but I would assume it could include things like poppy seeds.
My understanding is anything could be considered an analog if it causes similar effects. So kratom would technically be an opioid analog becouse it's 2-3 alkaloids with opioid like effects.
Hopefully it doesn't pass and hopefully even if it does they don't blanket ban as much as possible.
It would be smart to try and stop it from passing though as they don't have a good track record with abusing power.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
#24404041 - 06/14/17 01:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wish I could donate more...fighting the Government is one difficult battle, but it shows where the battle is at right now, they are not having luck banning at the state level, the emergency ban failed, so now they are introducing legislation into the U.S. Senate. Damn pharmaceutical lobbyist and government regulations...god forbid something safer and cheaper for pain be accessible to the public.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] 1
#24404306 - 06/14/17 06:27 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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tdubz said: Creating a new drug schedule category, just due to Kratom is pretty insane.
"SITSA creates a new “Schedule A” that gives the Attorney General of the United States the power to ban any “analogue” of an opioid that controls pain or provides an increase of energy."
It's due to a lot more than Kratom. It began with the synthetic cannabinoids, then shifted to the cathinones, and just so happens to be applicable to Kratom.
This bill will not be favorable to FDA or pharma, as it places an incredible amount of power in the hands of DEA. Some of the other language from that email though makes it clear AKA has very little experience in drug scheduling.
"Under the current Controlled Substances Act, the FDA and DEA have to prove conclusively that kratom is dangerously addictive and unsafe for consumer use. That’s why we were able to stop them in their tracks when they tried to ram through an “emergency scheduling” ban on kratom.
And it is why the FDA is having such a tough time in finding some justification to schedule kratom under regular rulemaking."
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
#24404325 - 06/14/17 06:39 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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That wasnt what I meant by 'We should get Susan Ash in thread.'
I am not at all savvy on drug scheduling. Do you think that this Sitsa bill is of iminent threat, BadChad?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#24404426 - 06/14/17 07:22 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's a good question. Personally, I think both FDA and the pharmaceutical industry will be resistant. It gives too much power to DEA. However, if there were ever a political climate ripe for a big change, now is the time.
Really though, if you read the emergency scheduling document, there is ample evidence to schedule Kratom the "old fashioned way" through an eight factor analysis.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad] 1
#24404431 - 06/14/17 07:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The standard process of schedeuling a drug is very extensive and the aka is at the forefront of the kratom battle im sure they know what they are doing.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] 1
#24404465 - 06/14/17 07:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The attack is relentless. I can't be alone in becoming deeply disheartened by this nonstop focus on taking Kratom away. They are simply waiting for us to grow weary, it seems.
We have come so far. I wish this could be viewed as an eventual civil liberty victory, but am doubtful it will pan out.
Needless to say, I'm going to do the continuous monthy donation thing.
I stocked up last fall, have kilos coming out of my ears. If it is banned, call it extreme, but it will be the final straw.. i will move to a different country. Where is it any different, though.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24404501 - 06/14/17 07:55 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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That bill is targeting fentanyl analogues, that are ravaging the nation. Not kratom.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#24404502 - 06/14/17 07:56 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: The attack is relentless. I can't be alone in becoming deeply disheartened by this nonstop focus on taking Kratom away. They are simply waiting for us to grow weary, it seems.
We have come so far. I wish this could be viewed as an eventual civil liberty victory, but am doubtful it will pan out.
Needless to say, I'm going to do the continuous monthy donation thing.
I stocked up last fall, have kilos coming out of my ears. If it is banned, call it extreme, but it will be the final straw.. i will move to a different country. Where is it any different, though.
Spain is different. The Netherlands... Actually, lots of places in Europe. Better brush up on your language skills though
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24404564 - 06/14/17 08:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The standard process of schedeuling a drug is very extensive and the aka is at the forefront of the kratom battle im sure they know what they are doing.
I'm well aware. I'd say read the past scheduling documents and analyses for the synthetic cannabinoids and cathinones, then read what was presented for Kratom and make your own conclusions.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
#24404623 - 06/14/17 08:44 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Europe has never been on my radar. Perhaps it should be, but I could of swore there was a blanket ban there, perhaps five years back? (Would most def need to learn the native language, wouldnt go at it any other way)
What is most concerning, persistence aside, is that it appears this bill will create a backdoor to outlawing kratom. If we know anything by now, the powers that be are sly, sneaky shiesters.
Oh, if only they put their full focus on pulling fent, heroin, and pharms from the roster. They are simply barking up the wrong tree. With the amount of reformed addicts using kratom as maintenance, not to mention pain patients. I foresee atrocities linked to scheduling it.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 2
#24404642 - 06/14/17 08:53 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't Worry when Jesus comes back kratom will be legalized
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
#24406133 - 06/14/17 06:42 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The last hurrah. Sign that petition people. Throw a bone to the aka. Youll sleep better. Better yet call someone with influence to spread the word. What's the worse that could happen? Oh wait, we already know...
Where are you people getting your kilos from? Anything around $80? My vendor is still getting dicked on their credit card processing.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: globejs]
#24406313 - 06/14/17 07:57 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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no source discussion but mine have been 110 including shipping recently
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: globejs]
#24406581 - 06/14/17 10:13 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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DEA has been going after the credit card processing of vendors even though it is still legal (for now) pretty crafty tactic.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
#24406804 - 06/15/17 12:31 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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pslyke said: Not being an American, I feel outrage on your behalf. People need to keep up the good fights. It seems that every day I read or hear about one more of your freedoms is being ripped away from you.
American? That's 'Citizen of the Land of the Free', to you, buddy! Jesus motorboated the tits of America's anthropomorphized self like 50 years ago... Ronald Reagan. Gaza Strip. Jews. HostileUniverse.
Look man... 'Murica.
I fucking hate my country, someonesavemefuck.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: globejs] 1
#24406945 - 06/15/17 03:10 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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globejs said: The last hurrah. Sign that petition people. Throw a bone to the aka. Youll sleep better. Better yet call someone with influence to spread the word. What's the worse that could happen? Oh wait, we already know...
Done, done, and done. Will begin familiarizing myself fully on this bill, plan make calls this week.
This isn't going away, folks. Keep in mind, we have a well connected/funded enemy here- counting on us to grow tired of the fight.
Please do what is in your means to keep our medicine accessable. I highly doubt I speak for myself, but I often take in the big picture: signing a petition, donating what you can, and making calls will take what, one hour tops? Compared to rolling belly up and losing kratom forever, this isn't something we can treat casually.
If not for yourself, then for those who rely on Kratom being available. If not for others, do it for you.. it's only a matter of time before one of your freedoms cherished is malicously attacked.
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