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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24313617 - 05/12/17 06:53 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah but they are a bunch of evil harlots who will be cast into the outer darkness with great wailing and gnashing of teeth.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #24358596 - 05/29/17 10:19 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

AKA update for you guys regarding the latest strategy the DEA has been using to attack Kratom.

AKA Responds to Kratom
Businesses Being Targeted

The American Kratom Association (AKA) strongly condemns the recent actions taken by LegitScript and hosting providers to shut down the Internet domains of legitimate businesses who are selling safe kratom products to consumers in the United States. We have received reports that a trusted Internet vendor had their domain completely shut down by GoDaddy, the web hosting company, based on the LegitScript report.

Based on our review of the “Red Flag” alerts by LegitScript relating to kratom, it is clear they relied upon outdated and inaccurate information (a 2014 FDA Press Release, and a 2015 DEA publication) from the FDA and DEA that materially misrepresents the pharmacological properties of kratom and kratom’s addiction and safety profile.

The DEA published a Notice of Intent for emergency scheduling of kratom as a Schedule I controlled substance on August 31, 2016. On October 13, 2016, the DEA, in an unprecedented regulatory move, withdrew its Notice of Intent, and requested the FDA provide a statutorily-mandated Eight-Factor Analysis on the addiction and safety profile of kratom justifying whether any legal basis exists to schedule kratom at all. The DEA requested the FDA response by December 1, 2016. As of this date, the FDA has not made any subsequent recommendation for the scheduling of kratom, or provided the requested Eight-Factor Analysis.

On November 28, 2016, the AKA submitted an Eight-Factor Analysis on kratom that was conducted by one of the preeminent scientists in the field of addiction profiles and safety of dietary supplements, Dr. Jack Henningfield of Pinney Associates. This Analysis mirrors the statutorily-mandated criteria for an Eight-Factor Analysis that would be used to support a scheduling recommendation by the FDA for any product they believe should be scheduled as a controlled substance.

Dr. Henningfield’s analysis concluded: (1) scheduling kratom as a controlled substance is not warranted from a public health perspective; (2) kratom has very low toxicity, and thus a favorable safety profile; and (3) there have been no confirmed reports of death that can be causatively due to kratom overdose.  This Analysis was submitted to the FDA and the DEA and there has been no attempt to schedule kratom in the following six months, despite the initial view that kratom required “emergency scheduling.”

This updated research is conclusive, and we believe LegitScript should immediately rescind their action, just as the DEA did in October 2016.

The AKA fully supports appropriate regulatory actions against any adulterated substance that poses a danger to the public health. The demonization of kratom, which appears to have originated in unjustified accusations that kratom is an “opioid” that has led to deaths of consumers. has proven to be completely false.  This outdated and inaccurate information should not be the basis for any regulatory or business decision by any organization.

The actions taken by LegitScript directly interferes with the freedoms of consumers to make individual choices about their health and well-being, and raises significant concerns about a nongovernmental agency intervening in commerce causing significant economic harm to American businesses.  It also unjustifiably erects barriers to access to the millions of Americans who choose to use kratom as a part of their personal plan for their own health and well-being.

The AKA will work closely with LegitScript, and appropriate regulatory agencies, to correct this egregious decision.  We will also seek the assistance of the appropriate regulatory agencies to correct the outdated and inaccurate information they have published that has served as the basis for the unwarranted decisions by LegitScript related to kratom.

Sincerely,
The AKA Board of Directors

www.americankratom.org

Appears they are targeting vendors directly and their credit card processing companies. I have had to call a few times regarding orders to different vendors that my purchase was not fraud which it got flagged as.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24358825 - 05/29/17 11:58 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

This explains one of my favorite companies having issues wit credit card processing for like 6 months. Bastards. Sore losers. Persistent pricks.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #24362228 - 05/30/17 02:19 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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These days I often wonder how much is population control and how much is just greed and stupidity... Seems like there is a lot of both.




I would say greed comes wayyy before population control. Excess populace = cheap labor.

Big pharma has lobbied the fuck out of washington, and they have virtually everyone (Bernie Sanders aside) in Washington in their pocket. The DEA colludes with drug cartels, and even parties with them, taking their drugs, and fucking their whores, and then they wanna stand before congress and say that marijuana is as dangerous as cocaine/heroin. Well, I've had extensive experience with all 3, and I assure you, not all drugs are created equal lmao!

Cocaine is a hell of a (schedule II) drug!

A big part of all of this, is that if you keep things like marijuana/kratom legal, it has a seriously detrimental impact on big pharma, the drug cartels, AND the DEA. There would hardly be justification for spending $500,000,000,000 on the DEA, if marijuana were legal, because there just aren't enough other drugs coming into the country to justify their bloated budget. That means a lot of people will lose their jobs.

This is a very multifaceted topic.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 2
    #24363249 - 05/30/17 07:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Thats true, I try to bump the thread when I can keep the good fight going. Any donations will help and it seems for this plant its for the long haul. The DEA would probably want ppl to lose interest in the fight.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #24364025 - 05/31/17 01:34 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, I feel that you're right. They seem to be taking a militarized approach.

Would be great if we could get Susan Ash in this thread:kratomtee:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #24364560 - 05/31/17 08:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Indeed. I think the AKA is based out of Oregon with strong support from US senator Wyden


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24365673 - 05/31/17 04:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Indeed. I think the AKA is based out of Oregon with strong support from US senator Wyden




Any updates on the DEA's cuckery?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24366553 - 05/31/17 09:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Just that they are targeting the vendors and their credit card processing.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24368081 - 06/01/17 02:17 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

That's bullshit you can put money in the bank or have a legal transaction as long as it's not a scheduled substance or an analogue of a scheduled substance sold for human consumption. The dumbest part is the only schedule 1 opioid is heroin so even though they claim Kratom is a opioid analogue it's more similar to the schedule 2 opioids but still less powerful and noticeably different in effect the only similarities is it's pain killing power.

Speaking from personal experience I would like to describe the difference I noticed between Kratom and hydrocodone (scheduled 2).

With Kratom I noticed small amounts of nausea at the beginning then a strange floating sensation combined with a noticeable numbness throughout my body also a little sedative but much less intoxicating than even alcohol. I didn't have slurred speech however it did make me sit down because the slight nauseous feeling is like that off a beer or two but not like a 40oz or some hard liquor. 

The hydrocodone I did was a lot stronger in many ways. It was a lot more sleepy warm feeling and I vomited a couple times. It was more like 5-6 beers and did give me slurred speech also made me fall asleep and was addictive I felt sick when I stopped talking them (did 5 7.5mg pills 2 times a day). At one point I was sitting outside at night smoking a cigarette and fell asleep and my head tilted back in my chair. I ended up puking and choked on my vomit till it eventually awoke me (luckily) but it was like such a heavy sedation feeling it was hard to even move my head I'm honestly lucky because I was on roughly 37.5mg of hydro with 120mg of codeine (also scheduled 2) but by then was water washing it cause I thought the Tylenol was going to fuck up my liver so I put it in cold water filtered it and drank it so idk if my dose was exactly 120mg but that's how much was in the pills.

So even if Kratom is a opioid analogue it still isn't as dangerous as actual opioids I don't understand why they honestly believe it's worse than codeine, OxyContin, and other non schedule 1 drugs. That shit almost ended my life and they call it medicine. I don't understand how that crap is medical is this the fucking 1800s? Why they have to be backwards inaccurate imbeciles about a possibly safer medicine idk. I mean I don't take drugs for medical reasons (I just like them) but I'm pretty sure Kratom is less dangerous than something that almost killed me. 

I don't understand how drug dealers get changed for manslaughter when a client ODs but the pharmacy gets off scot free. In all honesty the pharmaceutical companies and dope dealers are pushing pretty much the same shit only difference is they have hella good Jew lawyers. But honestly it doesn't make sense how the creators of OxyContin get zero charges while there drug kills hella people daily but somehow I'm a criminal for eating Kratom and smoking weed. Honestly how is my weed smoking worse than selling that poison they call medicine leaves thousands dead and they somehow managed to convince everyone that I'm the bad guy me and my bag of grass is the problem forget there poison has ended the life of thousands and blames the nearest guy in a Grateful Dead T shirt for the worlds problems. I was the criminal all along :rofl: this is the DEAs logic.:facepalm:


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Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.:callingbullshit:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
    #24375127 - 06/03/17 10:34 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't understand how drug dealers get changed for manslaughter when a client ODs but the pharmacy gets off scot free. In all honesty the pharmaceutical companies and dope dealers are pushing pretty much the same shit only difference is they have hella good Jew lawyers.




My brother is in prison right now for prepping the needle of someone who OD'd... 7 years. It's horse shit. If a grown ass man voluntarily takes dope, they should suffer the consequences.

You're correct in everything you've said, but logic and reason have no place in bureaucratic, police state, plutocracies. Justice is no longer blind, but deaf, dumb, and fucking retarded to boot, in the "land of the free". This isn't about protecting you, and it never was. Marijuana was banned due to racism and capitalist competition. Crack sentences were 10 fold that of cocaine due to racism, and as a way of marginalizing poverty stricken minority groups further.

You live in a country that saw fit to elect a billionaire with no class or etiquette, the vocabulary of child, and attitude of a schoolyard bully with an inferiority complex, narcissistic personality dissorder, and... fuckit... you already know...

... to the highest office in the land.

Enjoy the ride.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24377775 - 06/04/17 08:24 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

What doesn't make since is why the people who make pharmaceutical opioids are not in jail. There poison has ended the lives of hundreds of thousands Americans and they somehow have the DEA on there side.

If the DEA reads this thread I will stop using all drugs for the rest of my life if they can come up with a reasonable explanation to this question. How am I criminal for using drugs while the people at big pharma are selling drugs that actually kill people? Honestly if they can come up with a reasonable explanation for how im a criminal for smoking a plant while big pharma is "not a criminal" for killing hundreds of thousands of Americans across the country with there poison I would never use a drug again.

They claim weed is poisons plant and mushrooms but has ether one ever killed anyone? I mean this hydrocodone shit is labeled as medicine and kills people if you take enough. Take to much weed and you will end up at gas station getting a slushy and some nachos take to much hydro and its the morgue. But weeds the poison? :trippingdog:


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Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.:callingbullshit:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
    #24377829 - 06/04/17 08:48 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Hey slushees and sugar drinks kill as many people as Opiates too for that matter. Sugar is no joke. Its addictive, toxic, and extremely deadly. Kills hundreds of thousands or millions a year.

Should candy be banned like hard drugs, or controlled like prescriptions? Should we have to go to the pharmacist for a pill bottle of 20 sour patch kids a week?

Should candy and soda manufacturers go to jail for the tens of thousands a year who die of diabetes and sugar related cancers and other illnesses?

Yes. They should.

They should all be executed, and if you eat sugar or drink soda you should be forcibly confined in a mental hospital because you are SICK.

Even I don't know which parts of this post as satire and which are serious.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24379956 - 06/05/17 03:28 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Kratom.....definitely quit doing shit for me.  I've come a long way since the beginning of this thread...  I don't know how you guys do it for years.  The only thing I get now is a shitty day if I don't dose.  Well, it was fun while it lasted.....


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #24380067 - 06/05/17 04:02 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Kratom.....definitely quit doing shit for me.  I've come a long way since the beginning of this thread...  I don't know how you guys do it for years.  The only thing I get now is a shitty day if I don't dose.  Well, it was fun while it lasted.....




How much do you take generally?

I have been a longtime daily user and 1.5g or so still feels great.

I try not to take more then 5g a day though and only dose 2-3 times or less.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #24380075 - 06/05/17 04:06 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I dose only 1 time in the morning and maxed out at 7 grams.  I'm tapering off though, I've started to get withdrawls in the afternoon as well and I'm over it. Its really a great substance but I abused it and am paying for it.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #24382683 - 06/06/17 02:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Kratom.....definitely quit doing shit for me.  I've come a long way since the beginning of this thread...  I don't know how you guys do it for years.  The only thing I get now is a shitty day if I don't dose.  Well, it was fun while it lasted.....




Wow... It's funny you say that, because right around the time they decided to ban kratom, I decided to stop using it, because I thought it was going away. I couldn't even get off my ass to do anything without the shit. It took a while for me to be able to do what I had to do without my kratom crutch.

However, I will say, when I was using kratom regularly, I could take a dose, and it was like instant motivation and energy. It worked every time. It didn't get me high, or anything like that. Not at the doses I was taking.

I guess it's similar to when a heavy coffee drinker quites using caffeine. Kratom worked a lot better than coffee for me, though. I probably took 1/4-1/2 tsp per dose, and I never built a tolerance to the point where I had to up the dose. I like small doses of kratom. Just enough to give me a bit more oomph, without making me spazzy or something. A bit of red and a bit of white.

Nowadays, I take it on a random occasion, and it gets me right up and going, to this day.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #24402518 - 06/13/17 01:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

New AKA Update:

The American Kratom Association needs your help to protect kratom.

If you’ve had one of those days that starts with friends calling you with bad news, and the news just gets worse and worse as the day goes on - then that describes my day perfectly.

On Friday of last week, Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa, and Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California, dropped a bill in the U.S. Senate that our lobbyists believe will give the FDA and DEA a backdoor way of banning kratom completely in the United States.

S. 1327 is euphemistically called the SITSA Act.  And a companion bill in the US House of Representatives has already been filed, H.R. 2851, by Representative John Katco of New York.

The SITSA Act stands for the "Stop Importation and Trafficking of Synthetic Analogues Act of 2017.”

SITSA creates a new “Schedule A” that gives the Attorney General of the United States the power to ban any “analogue” of an opioid that controls pain or provides an increase of energy.

That is kratom. Because kratom’s 2 primary alkaloids, mitragynine and 7-hydroxymitragynine, though not opioids, act similarly in some ways.

They could of just called this bill the “Schedule Kratom” Act.

This legislation will allow the Attorney General, and his supporters at the DEA, to add kratom to Schedule A on a “temporary basis” that will last for 5 years.

And once added to Schedule A, the Attorney General can convert it to a permanent schedule. 

After everything that we’ve fought successfully against and endured together as a movement, our lobbyists are concerned that this is now the perfect storm for banning kratom.

Under the current Controlled Substances Act, the FDA and DEA have to prove conclusively that kratom is dangerously addictive and unsafe for consumer use. That’s why we were able to stop them in their tracks when they tried to ram through an “emergency scheduling” ban on kratom.

And it is why the FDA is having such a tough time in finding some justification to schedule kratom under regular rulemaking.

So now the anti-kratom bureaucrats in Washington want to ban kratom simply by claiming it has the same effects as an opioid – calling it an “analogue” of the opioid.

And the SITSA Act can enforce a ban on kratom by criminalizing any manufacturer or distributor of kratom. Ten years imprisonment just for manufacturing or selling a kratom product, and a fine of $500,000 if you are an individual, $2,500,000 if the defendant is a company.

If you import or export kratom, it is a 20-year sentence.

And then there are harsh penalties for what they call “false labeling” of a Schedule A substance.

That’s why am writing – because I need your help again.

We have to convince Sen. Grassley, Sen. Feinstein, and Representative Katko that they have to exempt natural botanical plants from the SITSA Act.

We have to act quickly, because I learned today that the House Judiciary Committee is looking to schedule a Hearing before they leave for recess next month.

So I hope you will help by doing three specific things:

1.    Click on the link below and sign our petition that the AKA will have delivered to every member of the Senate and House Judiciary Committees.  

PLEASE SIGN THIS PETITION URGING LAWMAKERS TO REMOVE KRATOM FROM THE SITSA ACT. 

2.    I need you to pick up the phone and call Sen. Grassley's office, Sen. Feinstein's office, and Representative Katco's office. When the staff member answers the phone, tell them that their boss should exclude natural botanicals like kratom products from the SITSA Act.

Here are the phone numbers you should call:
Senator Grassley:    (202) 224-3744
Senator Feinstein:    (202) 224-3841
Congressman Katco:    (202) 225-3701

When you call, be polite, but firm.  Kratom should be exempted from SITSA.

3.    Please click on the donation link below and help us once again to take on this fight with a team of lawyers, lobbyists, and public relations professionals.  Please consider making a monthly contribution to the AKA.

DONATION LINK TO HELP THE AKA FIGHT THIS LEGISLATION.

I know I am asking a lot.

But we need to fight back hard, or they will steal our freedoms from us to make our own decisions about our health and well-being.

So please, sign the petition, call the the sponsors of SITSA, and please, please, give as generous a contribution as you can to help us put our team on the ground in Washington, D.C.

With your help, we have established ourselves as a real force in Washington.

With your continued help – help that I am so grateful for – we can win this battle against the enemies of kratom.

Your contribution will help us hire the lawyers we need for a brief on why this legislation violates due process and current law; our lobbyists to knock on doors on Capitol Hill; and our public relations team to rally the press to tell our story.

We will stand up for freedom.

Thank you for your continued support.

Sincerely,

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24402563 - 06/13/17 02:13 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Not being an American, I feel outrage on your behalf. People need to keep up the good fights. It seems that every day I read or hear about one more of your freedoms is being ripped away from you.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #24403744 - 06/13/17 09:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Creating a new drug schedule category, just due to Kratom is pretty insane.

"SITSA creates a new “Schedule A” that gives the Attorney General of the United States the power to ban any “analogue” of an opioid that controls pain or provides an increase of energy."


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