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OfflineLuSiD enthusiast
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24251147 - 04/17/17 09:02 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Connoisseur said:
can anyone here confirm its not just shills though?



The one story i referred to involved a vendor that is being shut down.

Iirc the vendor was selling it "for consumption" and the fda started going around to the few customers the vendor has and grilled them for it.

The folks at r/kratom knew before OP confirmed because i guess the vendor let people know it was gonna happen.

I'll try and elaborate a little better when I'm free, but i can say the one testimonial i referred to, seemed pretty legit, as much as it could be at least.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #24251206 - 04/17/17 09:29 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I'll speak about kraken because they are a shroom supporter their Krat is excellent, but they switch credit card payment names all the time and there is a reason for it. I'll just leave it at that. Other vendors are dealing with the same problems and that's because the U.S. is trying to target them as fraud companies.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #24251243 - 04/17/17 09:43 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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LuSiD enthusiast said:
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Connoisseur said:
can anyone here confirm its not just shills though?



The one story i referred to involved a vendor that is being shut down.

Iirc the vendor was selling it "for consumption" and the fda started going around to the few customers the vendor has and grilled them for it.

The folks at r/kratom knew before OP confirmed because i guess the vendor let people know it was gonna happen.

I'll try and elaborate a little better when I'm free, but i can say the one testimonial i referred to, seemed pretty legit, as much as it could be at least.




fuck, thats bad news


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur] * 1
    #24252188 - 04/17/17 05:35 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

This is from my old vendor:

Hi ***,

Thanks for reaching out to us. Currently, the DEA has two options, essentially. They can either do another emergency scheduling, which requires a 30 day notice period, or they can opt for a lengthier process that results in permanent scheduling in some manner. Meaning we probably have at a minimum through May, and possibly much longer.

So while not unbiased, I feel better after reading this.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] * 2
    #24254139 - 04/18/17 10:47 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Update for you guys from the AKA:

Kratom Supporters:
I'd like to thank everyone who was able to attend the AKA Briefing Webinar last week!

In case you missed it, you can watch the webinar here: 


During the briefing, we heard from AKA’s Federal Lobbyist in Washington, D.C., who told us about the real progress we are making with lawmakers on Capitol Hill.  And, that when it’s a fair fight, we’re winning in the states as well (like NY, OR, UT, WV and FL -- all of which had anti-kratom legislation proposed for 2017).

But the DEA and the FDA don’t play fair, as evidenced just few days ago in Jerseyville, Illinois, where the DEA’s demonization of kratom led to a Town Council vote to outlaw kratom.

They claimed they wanted to be proactive and didn’t want children to have access to it, but IL state law already restricts kratom consumption to ages 18 and over! This makes me very angry, and I will stand up every time when lies are repeated by the DEA intended to remove our personal freedoms.

Our lobbying team has already reached out to the City Council to set the record straight, but this shows we must expand our efforts even more, and I need your help to do that.

During the briefing, you also heard our Executive Director outline the aggressive strategy the AKA has to implement over the next year to combat the DEA and keep them from stripping our freedom to make our own choices about our health and well-being. 

I was asked by a news reporter last week how we were able to stop the DEA from scheduling kratom last year.  The answer (aside from a robust legal, lobby and PR strategy) was easy.  We are tens, if not hundreds of thousands strong; kratom advocates all over America standing up to misinformation who WON’T BACK DOWN…it’s endless pressure, endlessly applied.

But everything we have accomplished up to now has been very expensive and we desperately need your help.

The hard reality is that I have to raise $230,000 to keep the fight going over the next two months – and they are critical months as we fight in the state legislatures and prepare for the FDA’s next assault.

Could I ask you to donate $100 today – and then $100 a month while we keep this fight going?

If you can dig deep and give even more, that would be deeply appreciated.  $250, $400, $500 or more.  Every penny will help.

I cannot tell you what a difference it would make.

I know I am asking a lot, but we cannot win without a needed infusion of cash.

Even a contribution of $25, $40, $50 or $75 would make a real difference.  And whatever you can give, a monthly ongoing donation would mean a great deal.

PLEASE HELP TO PROTECT KRATOM BY DONATING HERE.

Your support will help us carry on the work. For many of us, including me, it’s more than just freedom, it’s the difference between a productive life and being bedridden.

As I hope you heard on the webinar, I am passionate and committed to saving kratom.  You have my word that every dollar that you contribute will go toward that effort.

Thank you again for your help in this important fight. We will NOT back down!

Sincerely,

Susan Ash
Founder and Director
American Kratom Association
www.americankratom.org


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #24256342 - 04/19/17 07:10 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks for sharing. 

Love you Susan Ash, but $100 × hundreds of thousands of kratom supporters...:undecided:


Might call government people in those states.

If 'endless pressure, endlessly applied' is kept on our elected officials, perhaps the situation will not snowball into a mess.

Pretty sure AKA's tactic is to aim high by asking $100 from us, if it's not common sense just want to put out there that while I know I don't have that to give, I do plan to donate what I can afford.  Whether you did last time or not, these guys are not for profit and could use our help:mushroom2:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] * 5
    #24257030 - 04/19/17 11:21 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Kratom will not be banned. The DEA will back down and apologize, but the public will not be appeased. Several key DEA officials will be fired or resign, but the public is out for blood. Publically stripped and flogged, the nude and bleeding DEA agents are forced to march through the streets cradlings fresh kratom seedlings in their trembling, palsied hands. They march to the newly created community gardens funded by their forfeited pensions and retirement funds. The public yells its scorn at them as they are forced to plant millions of kratom seedlings as professional dominatrixes whip their testicles with tiny featherdogs.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24257059 - 04/19/17 11:30 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe] * 1
    #24257398 - 04/19/17 01:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

I dunno bout that but the good fight is going on, I imagine when marijuana became illegal it was like this only without technology/communication to support the fight.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24259287 - 04/20/17 09:46 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Kratom will not be banned. The DEA will back down and apologize, but the public will not be appeased. Several key DEA officials will be fired or resign, but the public is out for blood. Publically stripped and flogged, the nude and bleeding DEA agents are forced to march through the streets cradlings fresh kratom seedlings in their trembling, palsied hands. They march to the newly created community gardens funded by their forfeited pensions and retirement funds. The public yells its scorn at them as they are forced to plant millions of kratom seedlings as professional dominatrixes whip their testicles with tiny featherdogs.




Lol


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #24264142 - 04/22/17 01:34 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Honestly though making it illegal wouldn't stop underage people from using it. I started smoking weed before I started smoking cigarettes because nobody would ask for an ID if they were a plug and not a retail business. Like I honestly couldn't get cigarettes until I was 16 and looked old enough to get them. But honestly that's why I can get weed so easily cause its unregulated and illegal. If it was sold at the store I would need an ID.

I don't understand how those illogical fucks convinced people to do their bidding :hypnotoad:. Like there plan is take kratom from the hands of non criminal organizations and then try and stop the people who realize you can grow it and sell it for more money than if it was legal. It's like getting Starbucks to stop selling coffee just to have gangsters sell it instead.

History has proven what happens with prohibition and that's lacking proper regulation having laced drugs and an increase in crime both violent and non violent. It also creates a distrust with the government it's obvious the same people trying to ban it are the same diskless fucks calling me groovy. 


Don't listen to there stupidity it's a free country they can catch a ride back to fuck offity land.


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Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.:callingbullshit:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang] * 1
    #24264305 - 04/22/17 03:00 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Cannabis legalization has taken a chunk out of organized crime profits. The cartels are hurting so their buddies in the DEA decided to throw them a bone and create a new black market .

How will the Chapos and Pablos of the world afford their palatial manses and fund their civil wars if we let harmless medicinal plants remain legal?

And what will cops do for thrills without no knock drug raids for Marijuana or kratom ? Whose dogs will they shoot to alleviate their boredom?


And don't forget civil asset forfeiture.  They want to be able to find a kilo of kratom in your home and use it to seize your house and car.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24264977 - 04/22/17 08:21 PM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Oregon for sure will block the Kratom ban, Oregon senator Ron Wyden was one of the people who drafted the federal letter to the DEA to not use the emergency ban on Kratom. I hope NY pulls through too because it seems a lot of Kratom comes in through the ports of Oregon an NY and that's where the DEA is concentrating their attack.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24312597 - 05/11/17 06:07 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

AKA Update:

Kratom Advocates:

The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) is continuing its assault on our freedom to choose kratom for our health and well-being with their latest attack in the state of Maine.

This latest battle was ignited when the DEA persuaded Maine’s Attorney General to promote legislation to add kratom to the highest level of controlled substances in that state.

When we first heard of this new legislation, filed in Maine only two weeks ago, we sprang into action. Working with the generosity of some of our strongest supporters in Maine, we were able to hire a highly influential lobbying firm, Maine Street Solutions, to represent us all.

Yesterday, the Maine legislature removed kratom from the proposed legislation that would have banned consumers from buying kratom.

We won, but this was not an easy fight. None of them are. And our biggest fight is yet to come.

That is why I am writing today to ask for your help once again.

We had to stop everything we were doing and mobilize our grassroots lobbying campaign. We sent our lobbyist to meet with the Attorney General herself, along with many elected officials, including the sponsor of the bill, to achieve this success. I was ready with a ticket to Augusta when our lobbyist told us our efforts would be a certain success, so we saved the $1,000.00 it would have cost by having me stay in place, guiding our team.

All of this because the DEA continues its national campaign to demonize kratom and those of us who consume it as criminals.

And the DEA will not stop in Maine.

This year, their campaign of lies travelled through Florida, Utah, West Virginia, Oregon, and New York. In 2016 it was even more states.

But this time in every one of the states we’ve engaged in battle with the DEA, we’ve had success.  We won in Florida, Utah, West Virginia, Oregon and Maine. And we are continuing our fight in New York – winning there so far, too.

Now the DEA has convinced the Secretary of Defense to issue an alert to the Defense Medical System about the dangers of kratom.

We’d been working hard to get a meeting with the Director of the office who issued the alert but were recently told he refused to meet with us on advice of his legal counsel. Say what?!

That’s right. Their lawyers told them not to meet with us, even though we represent tens of thousands of veterans who rely upon kratom to help them deal with service related injuries and/or PTSD.

The truth does not matter to the bureaucrats at the DEA or the FDA.

You can mark my words, the DEA will continue their attack on us state-by-state, county-by-county, and city-by-city.

But I am committed to battle the DEA wherever they want to start a fight.

Because we are right – and they are wrong.

The DEA believes we have an Achilles heel.

They don’t think we can afford to fight them in every corner of the country.

The DEA has deep pockets -- and an army of taxpayer-funded agents to take their fight to legislatures, county commissions, and city councils.

We need to go toe-to-toe in every legislature, county commission and city council.  Kratom warriors win when we engage the battle.

That’s why I need your help.

AKA needs the money to fight these battles.  That is the reality.

I watch as check after check is written for our highly-skilled lobbying and legal teams, plus our PR and science teams and we just don’t have the money in our bank account to make the payments for the next two months.

If we cannot put our troops on the ground, the DEA will win. And that keeps me up at night worried for us all.

When the DEA wins, we lose big.

So please, send a contribution today to help in this effort.

I promise you that your contributions will make a real difference.

You have my personal commitment that I will make every penny count in our fight against the DEA and FDA.

Please click on the following link and join all the other "Kratom Warriors" and say that we will stand united in this fight.

www.americankratom.org/donate

Thank you again for your support. 

Gratefully,

Susan Ash
Founder and Director
American Kratom Association


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #24312616 - 05/11/17 06:17 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

God dammit :huxleyfacepalm:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24312876 - 05/11/17 08:17 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm on day 4 from a ct quit of 7 grams a day habit since the beginning of this thread (ironically where I discovered Kratom)  Wow what a sneaky bitch.  I still love it though, I'm mainly just taking a tolerance break but it is certainly habit forming....but the wd is laughable at best in my experience.  Typical symptoms gone after two days.
7 g a day is small compared to some but still more than enough.  It just quit doing anything but make me nauseous all day.  I actually feel pretty good now without it, better than I have in a couple months. 
This is just my experience, your mileage may vary.  Don't abuse the shit and take a break every now and then lol.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24313163 - 05/11/17 10:42 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I am motivated. These people are doing Gods work.

Money is tight, but even though I also need to donate to an environmental organization (and I really dont have the money for that either) I pledge to somehow scrape up some dough to send to these people for the work they do, even though kratom is not yet at risk in my nation.

Dont, let me say it again, DONT, no really, PLEASE DONT let them ban kratom in the USA.

FIGHT IT!


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24313200 - 05/11/17 11:09 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm going to donate a hundo. If I was rich, I would send em like 5k 10k like it was nothing.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24313246 - 05/11/17 11:34 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Thats great man. Unfortunately I cant even afford that much but thanks for your donation.  I will try and donate 20 now, and more when I can.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Moonshoe]
    #24313251 - 05/11/17 11:37 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah no doubt they are on the front lines, well connected, but going against the DEA, that's like david vs. goliath. The DEA have millions to spend at will.


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