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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24227785 - 04/08/17 01:01 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Agree with Conn, these establishments have no respect for our rhyme or reason.
However if the time came to again voice my story I certainly will, do anything to protect Kratom
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#24227811 - 04/08/17 01:14 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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in certain contexts i have and will continue to voice my story.
when the pressure really starts to come on i plan to hold a protest in NYC and ill make a thread about it on here.
i just dont want to be fucking interrogated.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24228000 - 04/08/17 02:45 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't get the DEA what the fuck is there problem. Just cause they got rapped as a child doesn't mean you should spend the rest of your life trying to control everyone. I think that's why they do what they do probably have a history of sexual abuse and enjoy ruining everything because it makes them feel big and powerful.
Honestly kratom doesn't even get you high like wtf I tried it over the course of a week and it was in a package I got from a head shop called O.P.M.S kratom. The first time I did it I got the strangest sense I was floating but it didn't really do much the next day besides make my body feel kinda numb. Compared to real opioids kratom is a joke codeine and hydrocodone had me so high it wasn't funny I feel asleep sitting on my back porch smoking a cigarette to wake up pukeing and choking on my vomit cause my head was tilted back (thank God I woke up). Plus the feeling I got when I took them for multiple days in a row was horrible when I stopped it was like having a cold but a cold inside your mind still not as bad as OxyContin though.
I haven't done any more kratom since I first tried it about 2 years ago and don't really have much of a desire to use it again but it still pisses me off cause some opioid addicts actually need it.
Plus in all honesty if there just looking for something to schedule why are they going after kratom when there's 4-MeO-PCP and 5-MeO-MiPT being purchased legally all the fucking time. I never tried moxy but from what I heard from my friends is it frys your brain for weeks after using it and causes severe depression. Like kratom is worse
-------------------- 400 years ago-The earth is the center of the universe and anyone who says outherwise is a heretic. How dare you claim that the earth is not the center of the universe? Your looking glass your moons around Jupiter and your navigation tables prove nothing. Your heresy is an affront to the church and to God who made the earth the center of the universe. Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
#24228247 - 04/08/17 04:23 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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pslyke said: That's unfortunate. I think you have a compelling story to tell. It has been my experience that difficult situations are best dealt with head on. You're well spoken and articulate. You could even pre-record a rap for them 
(just giving you the gears in that last part...)
They are not looking for anything positive. They are trying to weasel out anything negative that they can find in your words. They will spin anything you say, in any way they can, to make kratom illegal, so big pharma can keep peddling their dope. The FDA is not a respectable government agency. I know that sounds cynical, but my cynicism is well-founded.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24228255 - 04/08/17 04:26 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said:
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pslyke said: That's unfortunate. I think you have a compelling story to tell. It has been my experience that difficult situations are best dealt with head on. You're well spoken and articulate. You could even pre-record a rap for them 
(just giving you the gears in that last part...)
They are not looking for anything positive. They are trying to weasel out anything negative that they can find in your words. They will spin anything you say, in any way they can, to make kratom illegal, so big pharma can keep peddling their dope. The FDA is not a respectable government agency. I know that sounds cynical, but my cynicism is well-founded.
Yeah sadly I agree. Kratom could cure cancer aids and impotence and those sobs would still look for an excuse to ban it. "Oh but it's addictive"...
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 1
#24228263 - 04/08/17 04:28 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
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pslyke said: That's unfortunate. I think you have a compelling story to tell. It has been my experience that difficult situations are best dealt with head on. You're well spoken and articulate. You could even pre-record a rap for them 
(just giving you the gears in that last part...)
They are not looking for anything positive. They are trying to weasel out anything negative that they can find in your words. They will spin anything you say, in any way they can, to make kratom illegal, so big pharma can keep peddling their dope. The FDA is not a respectable government agency. I know that sounds cynical, but my cynicism is well-founded.
Yeah sadly I agree. Kratom could cure cancer aids and impotence and those sobs would still look for an excuse to ban it. "Oh but it's addictive"... 
Gambling and porn are addictive. I don't see them outlawing Nevada.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24228367 - 04/08/17 05:20 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pretty much everything can be addictive which is what makes it such a stupid argument.
Hell I have terrible self control with some foods, we better ban chocolate before I OD...
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420] 1
#24228905 - 04/08/17 09:24 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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What's the DEA trying to accomplish the painkillers that are schedule 2 are a lot stronger and a lot more addictive than kratom. Honestly it makes me wonder if they are trying to kill us off with the crap that comes from big pharma. We are in a population crisis so maybe they are honest to god trying to ban kratom because it's less dangerous than the pharmaceuticals and they don't care what's best for public health and rather are thinking bigger than us like the future of humanity. I guess the more people that OD the less fossil fuel and natural resources are used maybe in all honesty they have a hidden goal of controlling the population.
Probably the same reason they can care less about people who need CBD oil for seizures to them people who get seizures don't really matter because they probably think if you're disabled you should just die instead of using natural resources.
From 1999 to 2015, more than 183,000 people have died in the U.S. from overdoses related to prescription opioids. I don't understand why we were at war with the Middle East over 9/11 when 9/11 only killed 2,996 people. That's 61.08 times more people than 9/11 honestly the DEA is so fucked up its not even funny how can we justify scheduling a plant that kills nobody when the opioids (and this is not including heroin prescription only) are doing 61x more damage to the U.S than 9/11. Honesty the DEA are no better than the people that did 9/11 because they know this is factual information and they continue to not give a shit there basically 61 times worse than bin laden but somehow they still mange to keep government funding. It's fucking insane they haven't fired there stupid asses. Like seriously it costs the government $36 billion dollars a year to fund the DEA. It's completely insane it's like if Bin Laden did 9/11 61 times in a row and instead of sending seal team 6 after him they gave him $36 billion dollars. Ya let's fucking fund medical terrorism fuck ya merica motha fuckers!
-------------------- 400 years ago-The earth is the center of the universe and anyone who says outherwise is a heretic. How dare you claim that the earth is not the center of the universe? Your looking glass your moons around Jupiter and your navigation tables prove nothing. Your heresy is an affront to the church and to God who made the earth the center of the universe. Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.
Edited by Wu-tang (04/08/17 09:53 PM)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang] 2
#24228949 - 04/08/17 09:47 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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These days I often wonder how much is population control and how much is just greed and stupidity... Seems like there is a lot of both.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
#24229406 - 04/09/17 04:20 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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i think both of those things are at the same priority level over all
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24233352 - 04/10/17 07:45 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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So heads up guys, it seems that what the U.S. is doing now is trying to claim that your card is being used for fraud when ordering from a couple of the major vendors. I wont say any names but this seems to be a tactic they are using to deter people from ordering kratom at least in my state where it is still legal.
So yeah if you experience this add some input, I believe this is an overall fed tactic and not just something that's happening to me.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24233510 - 04/10/17 09:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's fucked up I was going to order some kratom for 4/20. On 4/20 1999 15 people where killed in the first of many US mass shootings. I don't support columbine or any act of insanity but since 183,000 people have died in the U.S. from overdoses related to prescription opioids I don't see why I cant use kratom on 4/20 when the drugs they claim are less dangerous have killed 12,200 times the amount from columbine.
The DEA is just plain dumb there pretty much doing this
-------------------- 400 years ago-The earth is the center of the universe and anyone who says outherwise is a heretic. How dare you claim that the earth is not the center of the universe? Your looking glass your moons around Jupiter and your navigation tables prove nothing. Your heresy is an affront to the church and to God who made the earth the center of the universe. Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
#24233525 - 04/10/17 09:23 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah im curious to see if this is happening to people in other states.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] 1
#24233595 - 04/10/17 10:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nah it didn't do anything to my purchase I just bought 28 grams of Maeng Da Thai Kratom Leaf (OG Red Vein). I'm pretty excited I haven't had kratom in a long time. If they schedule 1 kratom ima start smoking meth and doing coke cause ain't it less dangerous or some bullshit.
-------------------- 400 years ago-The earth is the center of the universe and anyone who says outherwise is a heretic. How dare you claim that the earth is not the center of the universe? Your looking glass your moons around Jupiter and your navigation tables prove nothing. Your heresy is an affront to the church and to God who made the earth the center of the universe. Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.
Edited by Wu-tang (04/11/17 09:22 PM)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24250347 - 04/16/17 10:25 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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tdubz said: So heads up guys, it seems that what the U.S. is doing now is trying to claim that your card is being used for fraud when ordering from a couple of the major vendors. I wont say any names but this seems to be a tactic they are using to deter people from ordering kratom at least in my state where it is still legal.
So yeah if you experience this add some input, I believe this is an overall fed tactic and not just something that's happening to me.
My vendor has been changing up their shipping methods recently i noticed.
I can't order over 75$ in one go, and sadly a kilo costs just a little more than that. Prett popular vendor too sadly, I'm 99% sure they're one of the vendor's you're referring too.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24250409 - 04/16/17 10:51 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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tdubz said: So heads up guys, it seems that what the U.S. is doing now is trying to claim that your card is being used for fraud when ordering from a couple of the major vendors. I wont say any names but this seems to be a tactic they are using to deter people from ordering kratom at least in my state where it is still legal.
So yeah if you experience this add some input, I believe this is an overall fed tactic and not just something that's happening to me.
this makes me need to do 4g right now
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#24250424 - 04/16/17 10:56 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: I'm afraid these testimonials of the FDA calling/going to doors are increasing on Reddit.
I'm taking this as serious as six months ago, personally- stocking g up again and donating the little I can afford.
Can you link a few? I'd really like to read some more,i saw one about a week ago and that's all I've seen.
The one i read, read like the poster had no clue how to handle authority figures and cover their ass (the poster just started explaining how it felt and when people told them that was bad and they should have checked if an attourney was needed, they were compeltely surprised, the poster was startled by a list of emails they had of conversations with the vendor too)
-------------------- I'm addicted to coke, weed, booze, ludes and speed. Not LSD, you can't get addicted to LSD, it was built by scientists. I ain't got no demons that gonna get woke. In erowid we trust. Just take your damn pills and don't ask any questions, you'll be fine.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#24250429 - 04/16/17 10:58 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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can anyone here confirm its not just shills though?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24250907 - 04/17/17 05:42 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I kinda want to err on side of caution and not reveal anything that might be valuable in dismantling the Kratom Enterprise. Call me paranoid.
What I will say, I called up my vendor and while he could very well be promoting his product, he did convey that if it were him, he'd stock up.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#24250947 - 04/17/17 06:32 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah with Jeff Sessions as AG of all people, it does not look good but even some typa schedule is better than just a flat out ban schedule 1.
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