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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#24114637 - 02/23/17 09:04 PM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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From the American Kratom Association:
Dear Kratom Supporters:
The wave of support you've shown us over the last several months, as we at the American Kratom Association (AKA) fight to save kratom, has truly been amazing.
Your generosity, willingness to volunteer, and words of support and encouragement have helped so much in this ongoing battle to protect the rights of everyone.
Let me say from the bottom of my heart – THANK YOU!
I wanted to take a few minutes to provide you with an update on the AKA's efforts and give you some insight on our plans moving forward.
Keeping kratom legal across the United States:
As many of you are aware, anti-kratom bills have been introduced in several states this year. It has become clear that many of the legislators are including kratom due to a fundamental misunderstanding of the coffee-like herb. We have been diligent in our efforts to defend kratom.
Just today, our lobbying efforts have proven successful as anti-kratom language was removed from a House bill in West Virginia.
While this was a significant victory, we will monitor activities in the state to ensure language doesn't appear when it goes to the Senate.
With additional bills in Utah, Florida, Oregon, and New York, the AKA team continues to aggressively act – having deployed our lobbyists and our grassroots base to meet with legislators and talk to the press to defeat these bills. We believe that through these efforts, we will continue to see positive outcomes by the end of the 2017 state legislative sessions.
I will personally be traveling to these states to add a strong voice in support of keeping kratom legal.
Overturning existing state bans:
While we continue to work protecting kratom in states around the country, there are other states including Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, Vermont, Indiana and Wisconsin, that currently have kratom bans in place. Kratom critics are actively circulating the various federal documents that make false and discredited claims about kratom addiction and safety of use.
Our legal and lobbying teams have been working closely and have developed targeted strategies to overturn these bans that are based on incorrect assumptions.
Federal Efforts:
The AKA has one of the best federal lobbying firms in the country and we have already seen so many successes. Our team continues to meet with key leaders on Capitol Hill and the response has been extremely positive.
How else would we have gotten 51 members of Congress and 13 Senators to sign letters to the DEA opposing their attempt to emergency schedule kratom?
These efforts could only be accomplished due to your generosity and willingness to financially support the American Kratom Association.
I’m humbled every day when I see contributions from a veteran who writes a $100 check or a retiree who writes a check for $15. Each contribution helps us carry on this important work.
We will not rest while this botanica,l that has helped millions of people, is under attack.
Thank you again for your help and support! Gratefully,
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24115585 - 02/24/17 08:56 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks for the AKA update, tdubz.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider] 1
#24116183 - 02/24/17 01:22 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Fuk yeah, AKA putting in work. WV was my old home, glad to hear they stopped that. May have to donate soon.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NDStepp84]
#24118934 - 02/25/17 02:15 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hate people who think their way of life should be every ones way of life. Its stupid to try and control people everyone should have the human right of choice. Freedom is defined as the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint. We should have the freedom to eat what we want and use whatever chemical we want. WTF is this china?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
#24168890 - 03/17/17 01:07 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I personally think that the war on drugs actually is ending. The DEA and LE around the country are just so incredibly inflated and unwieldy, that it will be a slow, painful death. I have an idea that in 20 years, the DEA will function more like the FDA, or not even be anymore.
Believe it or not, marijuana is the big cash cow for the whole thing. Cocaine, meth, heroin... They don't really produce cash flow on the same scale as marijuana has in the past. There aren't nearly as many users of these products, and they are more difficult to produce. Cocaine requires an exorbitant amount of resources to make a very small amount of final product, and move it around the world. Meth is a bit easier, I suppose... heroin is probably the easiest to produce, but it has to be shipped from butt-fuck-not-America too...
I think Republicans are starting to realize that they need some new bread to butter. I think they may even decide to legalize pot, to show that they aren't the same old cunts that they... actually still are. Who knows?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24176515 - 03/20/17 12:00 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Bigbadwooof said: I personally think that the war on drugs actually is ending. The DEA and LE around the country are just so incredibly inflated and unwieldy, that it will be a slow, painful death. I have an idea that in 20 years, the DEA will function more like the FDA, or not even be anymore.
Believe it or not, marijuana is the big cash cow for the whole thing. Cocaine, meth, heroin... They don't really produce cash flow on the same scale as marijuana has in the past. There aren't nearly as many users of these products, and they are more difficult to produce. Cocaine requires an exorbitant amount of resources to make a very small amount of final product, and move it around the world. Meth is a bit easier, I suppose... heroin is probably the easiest to produce, but it has to be shipped from butt-fuck-not-America too...
I think Republicans are starting to realize that they need some new bread to butter. I think they may even decide to legalize pot, to show that they aren't the same old cunts that they... actually still are. Who knows?
I have a feeling trump is going to try and fuel the drug war to an insane degree, then as soon as he's out of office virtually nobody will be able to take the whole thing seriously.
More of the population will see it for the scam it is, and the drug war will only be accepted from the people at the top profiting from it.
Then again it seems like even these days the only people supporting are the monsters at the top.
But i feel like trump is gonna fuel the flames as much as he can, and we'll have a painful term waiting for him to lose power (fortunately it will only be 3 years. Surely nobody wants him for 8 right?)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#24176551 - 03/20/17 12:31 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Regardless of trump as an individual the drug war is booming in the US right now.
It's silly to think trump specifically is behind this or having a powerful influence since it is thousands of people who force the drug war to exist.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24176831 - 03/20/17 05:46 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just as an isolated example of a changing mind I will share: Despite growing up with my mom I don't talk to her as much as I used to. She has forever been a red blooded Republican capitalist, Christian conservative, source of problem.
I was very pleasantly surprised to hear her remark the other day (her girlfriend lost a son and has another friend with an actively addicted ((now pregnant)) daughter) about how the war on drugs is failing addicts and fueling the heroin epidemic.
She also now is pro mj- soul shocking stuff.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
#24178620 - 03/20/17 06:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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birdeatingspider said: Just as an isolated example of a changing mind I will share: Despite growing up with my mom I don't talk to her as much as I used to. She has forever been a red blooded Republican capitalist, Christian conservative, source of problem.
I was very pleasantly surprised to hear her remark the other day (her girlfriend lost a son and has another friend with an actively addicted ((now pregnant)) daughter) about how the war on drugs is failing addicts and fueling the heroin epidemic.
She also now is pro mj- soul shocking stuff.
I believe credit is due to the internet, for spreading ideas and information on these topics. We sure as fuck can't count on the News Media, or any other media, to tell the truth, or relay information which would damn the drug war.
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LuSiD enthusiast said: I have a feeling trump is going to try and fuel the drug war to an insane degree, then as soon as he's out of office virtually nobody will be able to take the whole thing seriously.
More of the population will see it for the scam it is, and the drug war will only be accepted from the people at the top profiting from it.
Then again it seems like even these days the only people supporting are the monsters at the top.
But i feel like trump is gonna fuel the flames as much as he can, and we'll have a painful term waiting for him to lose power (fortunately it will only be 3 years. Surely nobody wants him for 8 right?)
I understand that Trump has never used drugs or alcohol, and has a negative opinion of them, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he intends to ramp things up further. The fact of the matter is, Republican politicians are even changing their tune on the drug war, because (due to the Libertarian wing of the party) they now wish to be seen as the party which supports individual liberty, and states rights (Not just fat cats bank accounts, but we know the score!).
Trump is turning out to be a real disappointment already, even for Republicans. Already in the political forum, Trumps more ardent supporters are changing their tune. I'll save my 'I-Told-You-So's'...
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24185344 - 03/23/17 07:44 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare. Sun Tzu, The Art of War They have been scheduleing unharmfull substances as harmful substances for decades now. They should change the laws is obvious the prolonged warfare has done bad things to the nation. It's because of the warfare there is danger like how they can charge you harder for a scale and drugs versus just drugs when with some drugs the dose actually matters. That and because all the street drugs are unregulated so batches may have different potency. A lot of the harm has been caused by there corruption and greed with the pharmaceutical industry leaving drugs up to the hands of actual criminals instead of something like kratom which is bought in a store and is what the box it comes in says it is versus the dope pedaler giving you a plastic bag filled with who knows what. Why these people are hell bent on making this nation worsen idk but I hope the government will understand that scheduling something just puts it in the black market it doesn't make it go away. Besides the people that have an issue with drugs should just not use them but don't bother people who don't give a fuck.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Wu-tang]
#24210753 - 04/01/17 12:25 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Is the drug war "booming"? I mean maybe the opioid epidemic. I guess that forced people to re-evaluate their stances on cannabis (just a theory)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Fractal420] 4
#24225973 - 04/07/17 05:16 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Heres another update from the AKA:
Dear Kratom Supporters:
Utah’s Governor Gary Herbert signed HB110 into law this past week, which marked a major victory for kratom users. Through your financial support, the AKA team was able to work with UT legislators to strip the anti-kratom language from the bill.
The House sponsor who wanted to add kratom to the Utah Controlled Substances list was doing the bidding of the Drug Enforcement Administration.
The DEA is on a mission to deny our freedom to make our own decisions about our health and well-being.
It was your help that made the Utah victory possible.
When I asked you last month for contributions to help us fund the lobbyists to represent us in Utah and other states, you responded.
I said it then, and I will repeat it now.
I am grateful from the bottom of my heart for your generous support.
There is, however, much more work to do.
The proposed ban on kratom sales in Florida is still being considered by the state legislature. Kratom is also still under attack in New York, Oregon and West Virginia. Not to mention what’s going on at the federal level.
We are fighting hard in every one of those states and I am confident our teams will be successful.
In fact, due to the tremendous efforts of our folks in West Virginia, the State Senate Judiciary Committee recently approved the bill only after kratom was stripped from the controlled substances list.
I am extremely optimistic we will win in West Virginia too.
Our message is getting out, and we are winning.
But when things are going well, you cannot rest on your laurels.
We learned recently that the DEA has spent the last 18 months demonizing kratom with regular telephone conference calls to law enforcement agencies in cities, towns, and counties all over America.
The AKA stopped the DEA in its tracks when it tried to abuse its emergency scheduling authority to rob kratom users of their freedom to make their own choices for good health.
But our victories come at a steep price.
AKA must continue to hire lobbyists in every one of those states where kratom is under attack and we must continue our lobbying efforts on Capitol Hill.
With one of the best legal teams in the country, we are also actively preparing for an expected recommendation from the FDA to schedule kratom as a Schedule 1 Controlled Substance at the federal level. We need to be ready to act.
We all know how expensive lawyers can be, but we need them in this fight.
And we are going to have to fund additional scientific research to clearly demonstrate that with kratom there are no dangerous levels of addiction, and that kratom is absolutely safe for consumers.
The opponents of kratom are hoping that we will not be able to raise the money needed to fund our efforts to protect our freedoms.
That is why I am writing again to ask for your help.
Your contribution of $25; $35; $50; $100; $500; or as much as you can give, will help us keep up the fight.
I must raise $100,000 in April to keep the fight going.
I can personally testify to you that your generous contributions have been critical to the success of keeping kratom legal.
Please . . . I need your help immediately!
I do not want the DEA or the FDA to see any weakness in our fight.
Please click on the following link and join the Kratom Supporters to fight back . . . to say we will not be abused by the FDA and the DEA . . . and say that we will stand united in this fight.
www.americankratom.org/donate
Thank you so much for your support!
It is my honor to stand with you and fight to protect kratom.
Gratefully,
Susan Ash Founder and Director American Kratom Association www.americankratom.org
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
#24225980 - 04/07/17 05:20 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Can I get a tl;dr?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
#24226135 - 04/07/17 06:36 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Bigbadwooof said: Can I get a tl;dr?
AKA needs your donation(s) to keep kratom legal. Keep up the good fight AKA!
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
#24227098 - 04/08/17 05:40 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm afraid these testimonials of the FDA calling/going to doors are increasing on Reddit.
I'm taking this as serious as six months ago, personally- stocking g up again and donating the little I can afford.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
#24227649 - 04/08/17 11:42 AM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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if the FDA ever tried to contact me i would simply say
"i have no reasons that i need to answer any questions about a leaf"
isnt it just as simple as that? do they have any legal right to force you into interrogation about a fucking leaf?
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
#24227706 - 04/08/17 12:09 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why wouldn't you want to help shape the narrative by providing good information around how kratom has helped you? I would certainly welcome a sit down with the FDA.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke] 1
#24227708 - 04/08/17 12:11 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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do you understand the system hates kratom and people who use it? they have no respect for this plant. i dont believe i can convince them to respect it and thus i wont talk with them about it.
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur] 2
#24227723 - 04/08/17 12:19 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's unfortunate. I think you have a compelling story to tell. It has been my experience that difficult situations are best dealt with head on. You're well spoken and articulate. You could even pre-record a rap for them 
(just giving you the gears in that last part...)
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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
#24227750 - 04/08/17 12:38 PM (6 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont know. maybe im looking at this all wrong, i see your angle but i just dont trust people like that. they dont have the good intentions when it comes to things like this.
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