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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #24023218 - 01/19/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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So stupid





What? Are you trying to suggest Trump isn't 'of the people and for the people'....? :wink:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #24023288 - 01/19/17 03:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So gutted I never found out anything about this plant while it was still available in my country. I just thought it was some mild legal version of weed so never bothered reading into it. What a damn fool I am sounds like I would have really enjoyed it. Cant even find anyone who sells seeds over here, is it true they are only viable for a few days once removed from the plant?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24023379 - 01/19/17 04:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes seed is hard, I believe Ferrel Human has some seedlings going but you need very fresh seeds from what I have read.

So fresh it's very hard to even get them in time :sad: cuttings can be expensive too but if you keep an eye out hopefully you can score one.

Sadly it is more of a longterm investment to grow and in many places the trees might never get anywhere near as potent as they would in the jungle.

Look for "korth trees" which is another term for kratom/ mitragyna speciosa. That is how I found mine for like 15$ + shipping.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #24023444 - 01/19/17 04:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ill give that a go now :cheers:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #24023460 - 01/19/17 05:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You can order plants from worldseedsupply.com. They are absolutely great! I believe they still sell the plants, I may be wrong though. If they aren't on the site, you should message them on the shroomery.

Regardless, I might be persuaded to send you some, if you've exhausted all other options :wink:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24030422 - 01/22/17 12:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It seems that in NY the bill attempting to be passed is only banning the sale of kratom not the actual possession of it.

The bill states that businesses found to be selling kratom will be fined but that they will not be placed under arrest.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #24030555 - 01/22/17 01:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You can order plants from worldseedsupply.com. They are absolutely great! I believe they still sell the plants, I may be wrong though. If they aren't on the site, you should message them on the shroomery.

Regardless, I might be persuaded to send you some, if you've exhausted all other options :wink:



Thanks ill give them a shout I live in uk so I wouldnt expect you to send me anything, but thank you very much.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24032463 - 01/23/17 03:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It seems that in NY the bill attempting to be passed is only banning the sale of kratom not the actual possession of it.

The bill states that businesses found to be selling kratom will be fined but that they will not be placed under arrest.



So can new yorkers still buy it if it comes from another state?

If That's the case it actually sounds good to me. Gets the stuff out of headshops and gas stations, lets politicians satisfy their supporters who want them to be "tough on crime"(if you can call it that) and let's kratom eaters still get the stuff. Then it would be a long fucking time (i imagine) before they get around trying to restrict it even more.

I would just hope the people who do buy it in headshops etc can figure out to buy it online. God i would love to see the look on their faces when they see the difference in price from headshop to .com .


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: LuSiD enthusiast]
    #24032549 - 01/23/17 05:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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God i would love to see the look on their faces when they see the difference in price from headshop to .com .




^^ this... and the quality difference!


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: pslyke]
    #24070094 - 02/06/17 03:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hey guys....

Long story short, I had to go to the hospital for a heart condition and it sucked and I have to quit my beloved kratom.  Little does anyone else know, I'm gonna save a bit for myself anyway, but the days of dependence and daily dosing are finished.  Also, there is a withdrawal.  I took like 60g a day for 3 years straight without missing a dose, so if you don't take that much you might not get w/d symptoms, but on heavy, chronic doses, it's very likely.  I'm thankful it's not like heroin or something, like I feel "OK," but I just feel so uncomfortable and restless.  I took two small doses last Sat and two small doses Sun, which I guess is my taper.  I also snuck in 4g earlier today, which basically did nothing, but I guess it eased my pain ever so slightly.  I would LIKE to taper, but I don't think I'll be "allowed to."  So I just have to find a safe spot for it and take it once every blue moon and give no indication I'm ever on it.  Shouldn't' be too hard, aside from hiding kg's of powder from random people.

Anyway yea, no krat sucks, but it's for the best I suppose in the long run.  The good thing is, I'm healthy.  I got stitches and an arrhythmia and a separated shoulder and had to take a bunch of tests.  They sucked.  Now I have a metal monitor implanted in my chest.  I feel like I'm too young for this shit.  If you guys wouldn't mind, say a prayer for me, or a thought, or whatever that whole spiritual blessing thing means to you?  This is depressing and has been really hard on my fam :frown:





This might be the first report of kratom likely causing arrhythmia on the Shroomery. As I posted earlier in this thread, kratom has an effect on our heart's potassium channels (and can cause potassium deficiency) and even potentially cause "The Most Fatal Arrhythmia".


Obviously, his use is on the extreme end, but like I said months ago, anyone with a history of cardiac problems including arrhythmia should be wary using kratom, especially in high doses. Unfortunately we need a lot more research done on the plant.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: DustBunny]
    #24070271 - 02/06/17 04:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know if anyone has updated the Ban Status, but a couple of state governments are attempting to ban kratom again at the state level in those few that were attempted before but did not succeed. Oregon (conducting Pharma study), NY (attempting to ban the sell of Kratom), Utah (attempting to ban at the state level), Florida (attempting to ban at the state level). As far as Federally I don't think there has been any news.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24073237 - 02/07/17 06:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

good news, my kratom vendor is only an hour or two away from where im moving soon :smile:

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Connoisseur]
    #24074279 - 02/08/17 07:05 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Lol that's convenient.

Dust Bunny, while I'm not denying this person's situation whatsoever, I feel as though some vital information has been left out. 
What was the official diagnosis and what led up to such is my biggest question. 

Did physicians explicitly say kratom in massive doses in daily level is the culprit?

While it's important to excercise caution as there is little scientific study of the botanical, it's just as important to not villify in the absence of medical literature.. as I'm sure you're well aware.

Moral of the story: more research needs to be done on kratom.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #24107992 - 02/21/17 11:30 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Anyone know of new news on where the possible federal scheduling of Kratom is at? Haven't seen or heard much from the press or the AKA other than the 4 new state attempts to ban.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz] * 1
    #24108169 - 02/21/17 12:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe they realized what a can of worms they opened and are leaving it alone


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: NDStepp84]
    #24108178 - 02/21/17 12:32 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Maybe they realized what a can of worms they opened and are leaving it alone




If they're going through formal scheduling, it takes a solid 8-12 months to collect the data and write it up.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
    #24108256 - 02/21/17 01:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah that's what I was thinking it would be quite awhile to do it formally.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24108316 - 02/21/17 01:30 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

A guy can dream, I just wonder how many more years of billions waisted and lives ruined before the DEA and war on drugs are recognized as the complete failure they are.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: tdubz]
    #24108700 - 02/21/17 04:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Anyone know of new news on where the possible federal scheduling of Kratom is at? Haven't seen or heard much from the press or the AKA other than the 4 new state attempts to ban.




I heard a few states are attempting to ban it again but that it is so fat I believe.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #24112776 - 02/23/17 07:17 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

No news is good news.


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