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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
    #23887925 - 12/02/16 03:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The only reason why they are wanting to ban it is because big pharma already has multiple synthetic medications they made to mimic the active compounds in kratom.




We can speculate all day why they want to ban it. An easy observation that can be made is that the DEA just likes banning things. It's good business for them, after all. They certainly don't want a cheap and readily available treatment for heroin addiction to be easily accessible to the general public. Then, you have big pharma's interests, which actually are probably more the reason it hasn't been made a schedule 1 drug at this point. If it were made schedule 1, then it, and all of its analogues, would not be legally usable for the purpose of research and development of big pharma meds.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23888022 - 12/02/16 03:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If it were made schedule 1, then it, and all of its analogues, would not be legally usable for the purpose of research and development of big pharma meds.




They'd just need a schedule 1 license.  However, given the number of pharmaceutical products that are scheduled, it's unlikely DEA is in pharma's pocket. In general, pharma isn't happy about their own drugs being scheduled.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
    #23888038 - 12/02/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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If it were made schedule 1, then it, and all of its analogues, would not be legally usable for the purpose of research and development of big pharma meds.




They'd just need a schedule 1 license.  However, given the number of pharmaceutical products that are scheduled, it's unlikely DEA is in pharma's pocket. In general, pharma isn't happy about their own drugs being scheduled.




As far as I am aware, having cannabis, psilocin, LSD and MDMA schedule 1 has made it incredibly difficult for researchers to study them, as they are purported to have 'no medicinal use whatsoever'.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23888042 - 12/02/16 03:43 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I tried and tried to submit, it didn't work.  Really upset.  Not sure if it's because I'm on my phone or what.  My tablet died.

Everytime I hit send, it said they couldn't verify my address.  So I gave them my real Addy.  Then it was because I had cookie disabled, so I allowed it.  Then it just took me to a page with Barack and my reps pics.  Over and over, so I don't think I succeeded.  They prolly impregnated my device with spyware, too.





I had this same issue...  I started by using anonymous then when that didn't work I used my real info,  then it asked for my real address...  Then after trying at least 3-5 times to submit a little message popped up saying submitioma are closed....

I wish they would have warned us it was eastern time, that site made it really hard to comment.

At least we got over 20k but I am mad I didn't manage to get mine in.

I have been sick for a week or so and pretty busy so I wanted to spend awhile writing it up before it was too late, oh well...


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23888050 - 12/02/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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just_curious said:
The only reason why they are wanting to ban it is because big pharma already has multiple synthetic medications they made to mimic the active compounds in kratom.




We can speculate all day why they want to ban it. An easy observation that can be made is that the DEA just likes banning things. It's good business for them, after all. They certainly don't want a cheap and readily available treatment for heroin addiction to be easily accessible to the general public. Then, you have big pharma's interests, which actually are probably more the reason it hasn't been made a schedule 1 drug at this point. If it were made schedule 1, then it, and all of its analogues, would not be legally usable for the purpose of research and development of big pharma meds.




Are you aware of marinol? It is pharmaceutical synthetic thc and is schedule 3 I believe, meanwhile naturally occurring thc is schedule 1... They have ways around stuff like that so I don't see why the pharma industry would mind it being schedule 1 :shrug:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23888079 - 12/02/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I hate to sound like the AKA but it is not a "treatment for heroin addiction" it is a effective tapering/maintenance drug for minor to moderate opiate dependence.  The only decent one in my opinion.  If I thought it would bring it to more people like what happened with state sponsored bupe I would be all for syndicating it.  It does work, and the side effects are pretty negligible.  It is not going to "treat" heroin addiction though.  That has to come from within.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23888124 - 12/02/16 04:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Got mine in on the 1st. Seems procrastination is still working out for me.

BTW where did the 20k number come from? I was looking for that


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23888157 - 12/02/16 04:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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As far as I am aware, having cannabis, psilocin, LSD and MDMA schedule 1 has made it incredibly difficult for researchers to study them, as they are purported to have 'no medicinal use whatsoever'.




It's solid paperwork to get a schedule 1 license for research, but absolutely nothing compared to a full new drug application. It's not a big hurdle.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23888161 - 12/02/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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just_curious said:
The only reason why they are wanting to ban it is because big pharma already has multiple synthetic medications they made to mimic the active compounds in kratom.




We can speculate all day why they want to ban it. An easy observation that can be made is that the DEA just likes banning things. It's good business for them, after all. They certainly don't want a cheap and readily available treatment for heroin addiction to be easily accessible to the general public. Then, you have big pharma's interests, which actually are probably more the reason it hasn't been made a schedule 1 drug at this point. If it were made schedule 1, then it, and all of its analogues, would not be legally usable for the purpose of research and development of big pharma meds.




Are you aware of marinol? It is pharmaceutical synthetic thc and is schedule 3 I believe, meanwhile naturally occurring thc is schedule 1... They have ways around stuff like that so I don't see why the pharma industry would mind it being schedule 1 :shrug:



Not to mention dextromethamphetamine is prescribed under the name Desoxyn. Rarely but still.

Levomethamphetamine is sold OTC in Vicks products.


Edited by BANANA.MAN (12/02/16 04:22 PM)


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: globejs]
    #23888234 - 12/02/16 04:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Got mine in on the 1st. Seems procrastination is still working out for me.

BTW where did the 20k number come from? I was looking for that




I saw it mentioned over on Reddit in the kratom subforum, we were nearing 20k a good 5+ hours before the deadline I believe and got at least a few hundred more.

If only procrastination had worked out for me :sad: That is what I get for stupidly not realizing it would be on eastern time :facepalm3:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
    #23888351 - 12/02/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/american-kratom-association-major-new-analysis-shows-no-basis-for-dea-to-restrict-herb-kratom-300371521.html




Nice article that paints kratom in a very positive light. I do think the author of the report goes a little far in comparing kratom with chamomile and lavender...


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23890058 - 12/03/16 09:38 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
Quote:

just_curious said:
The only reason why they are wanting to ban it is because big pharma already has multiple synthetic medications they made to mimic the active compounds in kratom.




We can speculate all day why they want to ban it. An easy observation that can be made is that the DEA just likes banning things. It's good business for them, after all. They certainly don't want a cheap and readily available treatment for heroin addiction to be easily accessible to the general public. Then, you have big pharma's interests, which actually are probably more the reason it hasn't been made a schedule 1 drug at this point. If it were made schedule 1, then it, and all of its analogues, would not be legally usable for the purpose of research and development of big pharma meds.




Unless they already made their synthetics, have been conducting research for years and don't let us know, and that they have already gotten a patent and lobbied with the FDA for approval. I have the list of synthetics that they have derived from mimicking Kratom in another post, let me see if I can find them, but I get what you're saying.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious] * 3
    #23890072 - 12/03/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Here's big pharma's list of synthetics for kratom. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pharma-kratom-dea-patent/
It is obvious that this is the real reason for the ban. Take away people's ability to buy kratom for $100 a kilo, synthesis it, and then charge $400 for a subscription that probably compares to like a quarter kilo IRL.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
    #23892123 - 12/03/16 09:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Speaking of prices, with all this drama going down, what have any of you been paying for either ounces or keys or pounds or whatever you get at a time? I'm not looking for names or companies, just numbers.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: globejs]
    #23892132 - 12/03/16 09:23 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

$160CAD/Kg


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23892153 - 12/03/16 09:29 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Are you aware of marinol? It is pharmaceutical synthetic thc and is schedule 3 I believe, meanwhile naturally occurring thc is schedule 1... They have ways around stuff like that so I don't see why the pharma industry would mind it being schedule 1 :shrug:



Not to mention dextromethamphetamine is prescribed under the name Desoxyn. Rarely but still.

Levomethamphetamine is sold OTC in Vicks products.




Methamphetamine isn't schedule one, I don't believe. I don't think coke is either. Marijuana is though. Apparently it has fewer medical benefits. This shit angers me to no end. It shouldn't need to have medical benefits. Can't we enjoy recreational substances aside from booze? I'm an alcoholic! I can't fucking drink! This is horse shit.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
    #23892163 - 12/03/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Here's big pharma's list of synthetics for kratom. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/pharma-kratom-dea-patent/
It is obvious that this is the real reason for the ban. Take away people's ability to buy kratom for $100 a kilo, synthesis it, and then charge $400 for a subscription that probably compares to like a quarter kilo IRL.




Now that is certainly interesting. I wonder if any of these have recently rolled out.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23892168 - 12/03/16 09:34 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'm hoping they don't ban this before I get enough money to stock up!


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: globejs]
    #23894046 - 12/04/16 02:04 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Speaking of prices, with all this drama going down, what have any of you been paying for either ounces or keys or pounds or whatever you get at a time? I'm not looking for names or companies, just numbers.




The most recent domestic seller I have been using charges 75$/KG with free shipping for all but 2 strains which are 85$ but prices start at 23-25$ per 1/4th.

They have a solid amount of strains and the quality seems great on the few I have tried, one of the 85 strains is a Maend Da and has tons of great reviews.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: globejs]
    #23894623 - 12/04/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Speaking of prices, with all this drama going down, what have any of you been paying for either ounces or keys or pounds or whatever you get at a time? I'm not looking for names or companies, just numbers.



My vendor has keys at 55$ is you send them a comment code(like proof you posted a comment on the dea site). Normally a key is 120$ though.


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