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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin] * 1
    #23877116 - 11/29/16 02:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Life is always worth living man :super: Happiness and sadness are only states of mind and are two sides of the same coin.

If it weren't for the rough patches the smooth sailing wouldn't feel nearly as good, that is how I look at it :yinyang:

Good job not stealing, my uncle is/was a junky for years and has been in and out of prison many times for theft and other crimes related to his addiction :sad:

Just stay strong and keep trying to improve your life and it will not let yo down, the universe tends to give back what people put in I have noticed.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
    #23877418 - 11/29/16 07:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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just_curious said:
I hope everybody that is able will take the time to make a comment. I suggest that we word our comments very carefully. If you slip up and give an inch, they will twist your words and take a mile. I think within your comment, there should be commentary about kratom being recommended in medical journals and medical research being conducted. That alone would make the schedule one bullshit. We need to slam them on this being all about big pharma. It is not a secret and they know it! Also, pharmaceutical companies are currently working on synthetics of the main alkaloids within kratom. So, you mean to tell me it holds no medical value, but you're trying to synthesize it? I believe there should also be commentary about the possibility of the FDA getting involved. The FDA is just as big of a joke as the DEA. Currently, the FDA has approved 44 brands of cigarettes, and approve alcohol. Which is fucking ridiculous considering how both of them kill hundreds of thousands of people each year. But it's all good as long as you have the surgeon general slap a warning sticker on?

I think the legal defense that AKA is great, but I think we should take one for the team and brush up on the law. Doing so, we would be able to provide great comments that the people reviewing will respect, and also would prevent us from making comments that could be misconstrued and sound incriminating against kratom and it's users.

I think that real life experiences need to be given more than opinions on what kratom is. At the end of the day, we just don't know. And that's what this is all about. What is it, what does it do, what are the effects, what's short/long term effects, etc. I don't believe that we should be giving opinions on any of that or speak for the public. Instead, we should speak of what WE know as an INDIVIDUAL. This is why I take it, this is what it does for me, this is the positive benefit I have gotten from this, this is the direction my life would take if you ban it, etc. Stick to the facts about YOU.

Any data that is out there for research that has been conducted, try talking about that too (if you know all the facts). Anything that might give the reviewer the impression that the DEA is double standard, big pharma is behind this, the FDA has approved much, much worse, and this is why it is good for THE PEOPLE.

At the end of the day, I guess what I'm trying to say is, draft your letter in a professional manner, have it come from the heart, and cause the reviewer to look at the people (and kratom) in a more credible manner then they see the DEA.





Good post. 

Please, if you haven't submitted your comment, please, please, please do.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: musiclover420]
    #23877947 - 11/29/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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musiclover420 said:
Life is always worth living man :super: Happiness and sadness are only states of mind and are two sides of the same coin.

If it weren't for the rough patches the smooth sailing wouldn't feel nearly as good, that is how I look at it :yinyang:

Good job not stealing, my uncle is/was a junky for years and has been in and out of prison many times for theft and other crimes related to his addiction :sad:

Just stay strong and keep trying to improve your life and it will not let yo down, the universe tends to give back what people put in I have noticed.




I decided a long time ago, perhaps as a young child, that life is not and should not be unconditional. I've also learned that it's worth it to try, worth it to stick it out and grow, and to live what life you have if you can or will enjoy it, now or in the future. Nothing is permanent. Suffering is always temporary. Life is special and unique enough to live unless suffering has completely sucked away your ability to live. Permanently. I mean shit you know is untreatable.


I've known too many people fight down to the bones against cancer. At a certain point living or enabling any living creature to live while taking on incredible amounts of suffering to temporarily defy an inevitable death is just cruel.
People have made headless animals live and shit. I think we counter the natural system of life too much and create as much, if not more, negativity as we do positivity.


Bit off topic tho.
I'm gonna type up my comment tonight. Too many conflicting ideas and advice and it pissed me off and made this feel stupid and pointless if not hopeless as well. I'm just gonna write what I think. If you guys wanna blame me when kratom's banned that's fine.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23877979 - 11/29/16 11:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No one will blame you.  As I put it, 'i write in truth and from the bottom of my heart.' I'm in firm belief that sharing the personal story and your unique opinion will conquer this.  Screw guidelines.

I submitted mine but it hasn't popped up yet.  Going to give it til tonight and resubmit if need be.  If you look at the dea page that has everyone's submissions, NO ONE followed guidelines.  Do it up, just do it.  Nike stylee.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23882119 - 11/30/16 03:41 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Did anyone get a confirmation or ticket number, something stating that you were successful in submitting your comment?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23882131 - 11/30/16 03:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I did, and i even saw it online, but that was back when there were only 500 comments lol


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #23882828 - 11/30/16 07:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I did it.

Quote:

I was advised by the AKA and affiliates to not mention Kratom as a medicinal substance but for the life of me I could not find a way to talk about it otherwise. It is a plant with extremely high medicinal potential and to recognize it as anything else is, as far as I’m concerned, a crime against nature and a forfeiture for modern medicine. I am writing this as a brief testimonial of my own personal experience with the plant known and sold as Kratom.

I have experienced widespread chronic pain for years. I was at first taking OTC medications to manage the pain but quickly realized that I am very sensitive to NSAIDs and even a small amount can make me sick. My doctor also tried tramadol on me and I did not like the way it seemed to slow my mental capacity and seemed to interact with my anti-depressant when I started taking it. I was working a manual labor job and ultimately I ended up having to quit because the side effects of the pills I was on and unmanaged pain became too much for me.

I began researching and I discovered this Asian herb on the internet. I made the traditional tea with the leaves of a Kratom tree and, after drinking an amount recommended to me, for the first time in a very long time I was not in considerable pain. Better than that I didn’t notice any side effects other than a little bit of drowsiness.

Since then, for nearly 3 years now, I have been taking Kratom responsibly as I would a medication my doctor has prescribed me. I have noticed it can cause indigestion and upset stomach if not taken with food but I do not consider it a serious side effect as almost any medicine I have ever tried has some mild digestive side effect. Since I had begun taking Kratom for pain management my social life has dramatically improved. I’m not afraid to go out anymore in the otherwise very likely chance that I would be in pain and not be fun to be around. I can go out and have fun much more often. I can exercise without relatively superficial discomfort holding me back and, most importantly to me, I can hike again. I can go to the store again and be able to trust myself to be able to get and carry the entire shopping list from the isle to my shopping cart to my car and to my house. I no longer feel exhausted and strained all the time due to my chronic illness. I admit that I do still have my bad days, as most people do, but they are few and far between. I have held a successful white collar job for nearly 3 years now as well. I am almost certain I would have been forced to quit due to absences if I had been working all this time with unmanaged pain or the sickening side effects of the common pain relievers I was once on.

I do NOT mean to make any claims that cannot be backed up by science nor do I ask you to leave this substance unregulated. I ask you to do the job assigned to you by the federal government and the duty to the American people you have been named responsible for and allow proper medical research to be done on this substance.

I simply ask you to hold solid clinical trials and review the data gathered in a scientific setting before you reach a final decision.

Thank you.




Feel like I asked for all I really have room to ask for.


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Edited by CookieCrumbs (11/30/16 07:46 PM)


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23882844 - 11/30/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Wow what a mouthful.  Can you say it all in one breath?

Lol good job though


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23882849 - 11/30/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say that's pretty good for me considering how worked up I can get about things like this :lol:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23883889 - 12/01/16 08:39 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I tried and tried to submit, it didn't work.  Really upset.  Not sure if it's because I'm on my phone or what.  My tablet died.

Everytime I hit send, it said they couldn't verify my address.  So I gave them my real Addy.  Then it was because I had cookie disabled, so I allowed it.  Then it just took me to a page with Barack and my reps pics.  Over and over, so I don't think I succeeded.  They prolly impregnated my device with spyware, too.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23883952 - 12/01/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

CookieCrumbs said:
I did it.

Quote:

I was advised by the AKA and affiliates to not mention Kratom as a medicinal substance but for the life of me I could not find a way to talk about it otherwise. It is a plant with extremely high medicinal potential and to recognize it as anything else is, as far as I’m concerned, a crime against nature and a forfeiture for modern medicine. I am writing this as a brief testimonial of my own personal experience with the plant known and sold as Kratom.

I have experienced widespread chronic pain for years. I was at first taking OTC medications to manage the pain but quickly realized that I am very sensitive to NSAIDs and even a small amount can make me sick. My doctor also tried tramadol on me and I did not like the way it seemed to slow my mental capacity and seemed to interact with my anti-depressant when I started taking it. I was working a manual labor job and ultimately I ended up having to quit because the side effects of the pills I was on and unmanaged pain became too much for me.

I began researching and I discovered this Asian herb on the internet. I made the traditional tea with the leaves of a Kratom tree and, after drinking an amount recommended to me, for the first time in a very long time I was not in considerable pain. Better than that I didn’t notice any side effects other than a little bit of drowsiness.

Since then, for nearly 3 years now, I have been taking Kratom responsibly as I would a medication my doctor has prescribed me. I have noticed it can cause indigestion and upset stomach if not taken with food but I do not consider it a serious side effect as almost any medicine I have ever tried has some mild digestive side effect. Since I had begun taking Kratom for pain management my social life has dramatically improved. I’m not afraid to go out anymore in the otherwise very likely chance that I would be in pain and not be fun to be around. I can go out and have fun much more often. I can exercise without relatively superficial discomfort holding me back and, most importantly to me, I can hike again. I can go to the store again and be able to trust myself to be able to get and carry the entire shopping list from the isle to my shopping cart to my car and to my house. I no longer feel exhausted and strained all the time due to my chronic illness. I admit that I do still have my bad days, as most people do, but they are few and far between. I have held a successful white collar job for nearly 3 years now as well. I am almost certain I would have been forced to quit due to absences if I had been working all this time with unmanaged pain or the sickening side effects of the common pain relievers I was once on.

I do NOT mean to make any claims that cannot be backed up by science nor do I ask you to leave this substance unregulated. I ask you to do the job assigned to you by the federal government and the duty to the American people you have been named responsible for and allow proper medical research to be done on this substance.

I simply ask you to hold solid clinical trials and review the data gathered in a scientific setting before you reach a final decision.

Thank you.




Feel like I asked for all I really have room to ask for.





:nyan: :congrats:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23884651 - 12/01/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Anybody know the results? Also, thank you for liking my comment above


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious] * 1
    #23884660 - 12/01/16 02:25 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: just_curious]
    #23884907 - 12/01/16 03:37 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Nice link, hope that article can make an impact.  Ive definitely fell in love with kratom and dont want to lose it.  btw I took a 4 day break and felt amazing off half my normal dose.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Kenetic]
    #23885454 - 12/01/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Awesome article.  I wonder what studies provided the data quoted.

Makes sense now that the AKA was so vocal about how to frame our comments  (I recieved a email confirmation of my submission!). Didn't think they might have an angle.

Really hope we can pull this off.  I'd imagine it will be some time before we hear any word.  The dea has a whole lot of testimonials to sift through :whip2:


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23886058 - 12/01/16 10:09 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

So I got this as my comment tracking code, 1k0-8t1x-bumz

Did anyone else get a tracking code ending with "bumz"? Is it just a coincidence or are they calling us all bums?


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: Dr. P. Silocybin]
    #23886167 - 12/01/16 10:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Dr. P. Silocybin said:
I haven't been using for awhile, and I don't plan to again unless I decide life isn't worth living. Then I'll get real heavy into dope. When I was using I didn't steal anything from anyone. I never got too deep into it, but I probably would have if it wasn't for Kratom.




I used to shoot meth. A fuckload of meth... and heroin, but only with meth. I honestly think kratom helped me quit... as strange as that sounds...

One day a couple of my teeth cracked randomly... I quit meth and booze on the spot, but curiously enough, I started consuming kratom daily. A couple years later, I've only had one slip up. That was around the time I stopped using kratom tbh lmao! Now I'm not on anything, accept a few D-Amphetamine pills every now and then.

Don't judge me fuckers. I'm trying to say that kratom is good for more than heroin withdrawal.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23886175 - 12/01/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Awesome article.  I wonder what studies provided the data quoted.

Makes sense now that the AKA was so vocal about how to frame our comments  (I recieved a email confirmation of my submission!). Didn't think they might have an angle.

Really hope we can pull this off.  I'd imagine it will be some time before we hear any word.  The dea has a whole lot of testimonials to sift through :whip2:




I honestly just think the DEA is going to be looking for any testimonial, from some stupid fucker, that makes kratom look bad, and then pretending they got hundreds like it. I can see some idiot, 'I started using kratom to get off heroin, but now I'm on kratom and heroin, but I like kratom a lot so plz don't ban it yo!'

They know marijuana isn't dangerous. They know it isn't a gateway drug. They know the same to be true of kratom. The reason they tried to ban it has nothing to do with 'protecting' society, or anything like that.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: birdeatingspider]
    #23886612 - 12/02/16 05:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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birdeatingspider said:
Awesome article.  I wonder what studies provided the data quoted.





Without the article its tough to tell.  They paid a pretty penny for it though.  The firm that created the report is not cheap.


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Re: Please Take Action to Stop the DEA from Scheduling Kratom [Re: badchad]
    #23887841 - 12/02/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

The only reason why they are wanting to ban it is because big pharma already has multiple synthetic medications they made to mimic the active compounds in kratom.


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